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lilljonas
May 6, 2007

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slidebite posted:

I've got a fairly large (well, for me at least...20-30?) collection of aircraft and spacecraft models that I mostly bought in the 1990s but haven't done anything with.

Do the decal sets or anything degrade over time? One in particular I am concerned about is a super-high detail decal set for a 1/72 shuttle I wanted to use when I eventually build my STS stack.

I'd hate for them to degrade due to my procrastinating.

I've experienced some decal sets from kits that my dad bought way back, maybe from the 70's or 80's or so. But I have also experienced new decals crapping out. So I guess it might have a lot to do with the quality of the decals to begin with.

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lilljonas
May 6, 2007

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Southern Heel posted:

What's the best product to use for a winter wash that doesn't use an airbrush?

You mean a white wash for tanks etc? I used alcohol, similar to this but without the weathering powder. Start out with the very white stage and see how far you want to rub it down.

http://www.bigscalemodels.com/tips/tipsfiles/white-wash.html

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

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Southern Heel posted:

Great link, thank you.

Np. Reading the article again, I realize that what I used is more like turpentine in English, and it worked great. In fact, so well that I'm kind of thinking about not making my current project in Panzergrau and play with whitewash instead. I love the look of WW2 tanks in whitewash.

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

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Nebakenezzer posted:

You can also get individual containers from Italeri in 1/24 and 1/35.

Cool. My wife has this unusual love for everything cube-shaped, and a dozen 1/24 containers might just be enough to make her tolerate my model building hobby.

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

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Be careful though, I once bought a spray primer from a DIY place that turned out to be unusable because the paint was very thick and formed a texture that destroyed any details. So I guess there are primers that are meant for rougher works around the house, and don't work for hobby stuff at all.

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

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Chillyrabbit posted:

Ordered it direct from volk japan as customs and shipping raped me less than ordering from volk USA.

Cool. I'm in Japan for new years, and I have this itch to build and paint a cool sci-fi kit with lots of weathering and stuff. Of course the only thing I find in the general shops is tons of gundam kits, and that aesthetic does absolutely zero for me. I guess macross or machinen krieger is closer to what I'm looking for, though I haven't found any.

I guess I could just order something when I get home through hlj, but everything here is do much cheaper. Any idea what ranges I should look for online? I'm a history nerd so my knowledge of Japanese sci-fi is basically limited to Gundam and that Yamato space ship series.

e: and by "nothing but Gundam kits" I literally mean an entire isle of Gundam kits, and then maybe a small row of One Piece ships (wtf?) and then some Gundam zoids. Not even a single airplane kit or anything.

lilljonas fucked around with this message at 09:29 on Jan 1, 2015

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

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Chillyrabbit posted:

That tank is an anime tank, and personally I like to see those anime things brought to life. For that edelweiss it was 5400 yen. Off hand sci fi like things that might be modeled just look around for some sci fi anime shows and they probably built at least 1 model kit out of something from it.

Sci fi animes that probably have a model kit for it.

The sand crawler from trigun
arm slaves from full metal panic (basically a gundam)
ships from legend of galactic heros
ships from bodacious space pirates (that was a poor choice of words for a portmanteau)
ships from cowboy bepop

E: Looking at all my terrible terrible anime I just now realize how often gundams, or knock off gundams appear.

Yes, looking at that tank made me think about the subject again. I guess I'm looking for something a bit more bulky/realistic than the gundam type kits, either something looking kind of like existing tech (like that Eidelweiss tank or Maschinen Krieger) or something more hefty, maybe even like Ghost in the Shell style?

I'll keep looking, as I haven't found anything that really stands out yet. There might even be something in the Gundam range that is not as "gundamy", because it would be cool to be able to pick up a kit for 1500 yen when that would barely cover the shipping if I want to get it back home.

Basically I want something sci-fi that looks like it could be an actual machine, not a humanoid flying robot with spiky edges.

lilljonas fucked around with this message at 11:02 on Jan 1, 2015

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

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Midjack posted:

Aoshima made some FMP Arm Slaves a few years back but they're long out of production. Kotobukiya made a Laevetein a few months ago that you can probably still find. Bandai made the Cowboy Bebop Red Tail and Swordfish II years ago and re-released the Swordfish fairly recently. Bandai also currently has the Valkyries from Macross out and you should be able to find them on shelves somewhere. Kotobukiya is also doing Ghost in the Shell kits from SAC and Arise; they have the Tachikoma, the Logicoma, the Jigibachi helicopter, and the giant robot from the first couple of episodes of SAC (I forget the name on that one). Someone else (Wave?) did a Tachikoma and Uchikoma 10 years ago, good luck finding those.

If you're looking for tanks, planes, and cars Tamiya has huge lines of all those. Gundam is the big kid on the plastic model block, and are probably as generally available as you would see toys like Hot Wheels and GI Joe in the USA. You will probably find other models in the same kinds of places you would find models of any kind in the USA.

Come over to the gunpla thread, we talk about all kinds of Japanese models and there are plenty of people smarter than me there.

I should maybe have added that I'm in a smaller town outside Sapporo where my in-laws live, so no chance to go looking at the specialist hobby stores of Tokyo. But since I wanted to get something, I checked the local mall's toy section and finally got this kit:

http://www.amazon.com/Gundam-MSZ-006A1-Zeta-Plus-Scale/dp/B00030EU7Q

I chose it because that Master Grade stuff with a skeleton build looked fun just to try, and the box wasn't that big because holy poo poo some of the $30 kits would have taken up half my suitcase and get me killed by my wife for taking up all our baggage space. And it was still just 20 bucks. And despite my lukewarm attitude towards Gundams I can't say no to a robot that turns into a fighter jet.

Moving my robot talk to the gunpla thread from now on, sorry.

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

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Colonial Air Force posted:

Alright, so it arrived.

Here's the box:




These are all the parts, which seem straightforward enough. It even has little pewter cannons.


The sails:


These are the "instructions":


I put that in quotes because they don't really tell you how to do much. It seems straight forward enough, and they have some tips, but the kit says it's for 10+ and I don't really think a 10 year old would love just diving in to this and trying to figure it out. I'm not even sure I want to, except I paid money for it, so I'm going to anyway.

I'll keep everything updated as I go through it.

I'd love to see the kind of mess that the average 10-yo without parental help would make out of that kit.

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

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headcas3 posted:

I'm building my first model ever because it seemed like a hobby I might enjoy. I'm slowly puttering along but I have what is probably a newbie level question: Best assembly order?

Do you assemble, then paint. Paint, then assemble. Or is it assemble bits, paint as you go? I realise people probably do all three but I'm having a hard time with the slow pacing of paint these bits, assemble them, paint the next and assemble. At the same time I'm not wanting to get too far ahead with painted pieces that I might lose/displace/be unable to identify again.

On the hobby shop guys advise bought something I'm interested in: Revell SMS Dresden and SMS Emden, 2-in-1 box set, if that makes a difference.

I kind of depends on what it is. For things like ships and tanks I have built the entire kit and then painted it, but for things like planes with a visible cockpit I would probably paint those parts during assembly. It also depends on how picky you are. For example, I'm currently painting a Sd. Kfz.250/1. The driver's seat is visible from the open top of the vehicle, but since I'm painting it for wargaming use rather than desplay, I'm not so picky on getting everything perfect. So I simply built the entire kit, and now I can't really paint all the details on the driver's seat. No biggie.

However, if I painted exactly the same kit for display, I'd probably paint all those interior details first, then assemble the top of the vehicle, and then paint the exterior. It would take a lot more time and effort, but it would be suitable for my aims with the model.

E: The only ship I've built was a rather small (20-25cm or so) model kit of the battleship Kongo. I built it entirely first and then painted it, and it worked out quite ok. I built it a long time ago and didn't have so high ambitions though, but I liked it.

lilljonas fucked around with this message at 09:31 on Feb 5, 2015

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

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headcas3 posted:

Thanks for the reply. Seems like I'm the right track, just need to slow my expectations down. That battleship looks awesome.


Thanks! I'm definitely of the opinion that the best way to learn things like modeling is to get a kit that is cheap enough that you don't worry about ruining it, and just attack it. If you get too caught up on the details that people who have done this for decades care about, or if you get a huge expensive kit, there's a risk that your work will grind to a halt and you'll never learn. So for first kits it's pretty nice to just focus on getting the stuff together, do a very basic paint job, and then leave it at that.


Looking at the prices of wooden ships, I realize that even if the kits are more expensive than plastic, the cost per hour of hobby that you get out of them must be really low. I mean, a plastic kit can be done in a few evenings without a problem, while those things take weeks or months.

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

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I agree that modeling is to a large degree a craft, as in that it is based on a set of skills that pretty much everyone can learn. If you spend time at it and put your mind into improving, you will get good. Then there's that final jump from good to great, where I do believe that raw talent, artistic inspiration or what you might call it, makes a true difference. But a lot of people have a wrong impression of how hard the basics are.

Sure, most people won't be a Santana or a Hendrix even if they keep playing guitar, but pretty much everyone can learn to strum along to a song if they just give it a shot. And your models might not be fit for publishing in those fancy modeling magazines, but I bet you can make a passable ship, boat or car if you're just prepared to make small but steady improvements over time.

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

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Pile of Kittens posted:

What do you do with all the miniature tanks and stuff when you're done? Does your house just fill up with tiny airplanes and robots and stuff? I have no real interest in owning small versions of things, just in building them.

Most of my tanks and such are for wargaming, so they get stored at the club for everyone to use. Robot stuff becomes presents to my nephew.

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

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I need a whole bunch of foliage and some 28mm scale or O scale textured brick walls. Previously I've been ordering from Scenic Express, but with the increasing cost of shipping and high dollar price I've been wondering if there are any better options in Europe? Anyone with a good hint, because god drat it's impossible to browse train modeling websites.

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

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Commissar Canuck posted:

It's amazing what you can do with an old, cheap model kit, some patience and creativity :toot: I was originally planning on just putting together the AT-AT as a quick build, but once I saw the little snowspeeder that came with it, I knew what needed to be done. This also gave me an excuse to further practice using homemade oil washes. I'm shocked at how well this all came together.

Pre-painted and seeing if the wire would work on this


The final result





I bought that kit when I was 8 or 9 and went to London on vacation! Too bad it's now lost somewhere, you did a great job with it.

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

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COOL CORN posted:

I've been wanting to get into models for a while, and finally picked up a Tamiya PzKpfw II from Hobby Lobby today.

Because I figured, who needs money or time, right?

Now to comb through 107 pages and figure out how not to make this look like butt.

Bring some glue, a box cutter, and optimism. The rest is just gravy.

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

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COOL CORN posted:

My wife was supposed to pick it up from Hobby Lobby for me since I was stuck at work. They didn't have it, but had the Sdkfz 251/1. I told her, "that would be great, go for it."

She said, "it doesn't even come with the glue you need or any paints. Waste of money in my opinion."

Oh... well... okay :smithicide: guess I'd better go rogue.

Ask her for one of those big train modeller aprons that will gather any pieces that you drop in a big pocket, and see how she reacts.

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

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Bloody Hedgehog posted:

I believe most of the world outside of the US pronounces it the way he does.

Yeah, it's pronounced that way in several other languages as well (de-KAL in Swedish). Yet I pronounce it DEE-cal in English. It's weird.

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

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Warbadger posted:

I've had some time to work on a few of my projects between trips. Been spending most of my time overseas for work, so this has been a gradual progress kinda thing.











From left to right:
T-72A (Tamiya w/miniarm turret + front hull), T-72B (trumpeter), T-90A (Meng), T-64B (Trumpeter), T-64A (Trumpeter), T-64BV (Trumpeter), T-80B (Trumpeter), T-80U (XAct)

I only got the last two I finished painted, man am I bad at motivating myself to paint.

I just love the look of the post-WW2 T's, now I feel an urgent need to build one myself. So good.

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

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Anyone who has experience of turning a airplane kit into a crashed airplane? We're building a WW2 wargaming tabletop at the local club, and I thought it would be interesting to add a downed Yak or Stuka or similar, and not just buildings and trees and stuff.

Current idea is to get whatever the cheapest 1/48 kit I can find online and go from there, but I'm not entirely sure how to make it look like a realistic wreck. But there's a lot of inspiration here:

https://www.pinterest.com/atom26181/crash-scenes-for-dioramas/

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

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No Pun Intended posted:

Realistic how? Paint job or how it has crashed? For the second one I suggested pawing through reference photos until you find a look you like and copy that.

Mostly how to re-adjust the structure and model the damages really. I think I can get the paint and such figured out with reference photos, but adjusting the structure seems harder. I've never kitbashed blown up tanks or similar either, so I'm just not sure how to go from a pristine kit to a bunch of mangled metal fallen from the sky.

E: otoh, looking at photos, I find more planes than I expected that are surprisingly intact after hitting the ground.

lilljonas fucked around with this message at 08:25 on May 8, 2015

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

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Bloody Hedgehog posted:

Really, all it takes is some judicious use of a pliers, a dremel, a saw, and a heat gun. Some varied Plastruct/Evergreen shapes can help add detail, along with some wiring and bit of brass sheet. If there's a gash in the plane, dremel out small slit for the gash, and then apply a bit of heat to soften things, then bend and cut away to make ragged edges. Brass sheet can make nice crushed and bent metal panels. Solder wire can be bent into all sort of mangled wire shapes. Visibile internals can be kitbashed out of just about anything, it doesn't need to be ultra accurate, just look like mechanical stuff.

Cool, thanks for the tip about brass sheet. I'll add some to the order and see if it works out.

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

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Nebakenezzer posted:

Well, I finished a little something recently, too. I/72 Kettenkrad represent:







The kit comes with a solid or clear engine cover - I choose instead to do my own grille.





1/72 kits are cute as hell. :) This armour car in 1/72 was my first ww2 model kit, and it got me hooked:



lilljonas
May 6, 2007

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Sanguine posted:

That is awesome! I had no idea you could get such a small mill. I've been dreaming of a hobby room setup for when I get my new joint, and that is drat sexy.

That 1/72 car is awesome too. I'm just trying to do a 1/72 DH.88 Comet as my first at that scale, and holy cow it's small. Also I now understand why everyone is down on airfix - it is an awful kit.

At least in 1/72, a lovely kit is over sooner! :)

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

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Ensign Expendable posted:

Wow that's so much better than my early efforts, good job.

Thanks! It started my love affair with WW2 armoured cars and cute tiny tanks:


1:48 Sd. Kfz. 222 and Panzer II by Tamiya, lovely beginner kits.

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

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big_g posted:

My Father in Law has just returned from holiday after reading a book on the Long Range Desert Group and has just given me a 1:35 Tamiya Chevrolet CWT 30 truck and asked me to make it up for his upcoming birthday.

I'm really happy how it's coming along so far it's a bit different as I've only done tanks at this scale (i.e all enclosed boxes) and the 1:48 planes you've seen earlier in the thread.

I bought some resin after market parts from Resicast and a Breda 20mm canon to mount in the rear compartment and so far we're looking like this:





Nice. If I wasn't busy building kits for wargaming purposes I'd go out and get a 1/35 kit with a bunc of after-market extras, just to try it out. It seems that there are not so many such parts for 1/48, at least not that I can find.

E: Now I know what I'll be doing this summer

1 x Brass Sheet 0.010in Thick (2 piece) SM2 (ALBSM2) = £4.69
1 x Italeri 1/48 Opel Blitz Kfz. 305 Truck # 6606 (ITL6606) = £12.82
1 x Tamiya 1/48 German Panzerkampfwagen 38(t) Ausf.E/F # 32583 (TMY32583) = £11.69
1 x Tamiya 1/48 Kubelwagen Type 82 (Africa) # 32503 (TMY32503) = £9.89
1 x Eduard 1/48 Messerschmitt Bf109E-1 Weekend Edition # 84164 (EDRK84164) = £12.59

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lilljonas
May 6, 2007

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Raskolnikov38 posted:

Hahahaha are we doing to-do lists now?


Well, my to-do list also includes large parts of a 28mm scale Stalino, or at least about two dozen buildings from Stalino and various other terrain features. :P That was just my recent shopping list. I also have built but not yet painted:

Tamiya 1/48 German 8-Wheeled Heavy Armored Car Sd.Kfz.232
Italeri 1/48 8.8cm Flak 37 Anti Aircraft Gun
Tamiya 1/48 Sd. Kfz. 251/1 Ausf. D

Once I've done all this chaff I'm going to treat myself to a big tank kit, maybe a Tiger or Jagdpanther. Not sure if I'll do it as a 1/48 for the wargaming stuff or as a 1/35 kit and go all out with the details and stuff.

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

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Arquinsiel posted:

Wow, those are some dirt cheap kits :stare:

Yeah, there are a lot of cheap stores in the US as well, but the risk of getting a random 40 bucks extra charge from custom keeps me buying from UK shops.
There's a local hobby shop just around the corner from me, but their 1/48 range sucks and the kits are twice as expensive. Might get a plane from them some day just to support them though.

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

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big_g posted:

You lot are all a great example of why I have a strict rule where I never buy a kit until I have finished the one I am on.

I'm quite good at building the kits before I buy a new one. I'm less good at also painting them.

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

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Van Dis posted:

Revell does not make a B-Wing model. Thanks Obama!!!!

I remember building what I assume was the MPC/ERTL kit as a kid, from the triple pack with a TIE interceptor and an X-wing, and really not doing any of them justice. :unsmith:

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

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Iron Crowned posted:

Eh, so, I've pretty much been out of doing modeling for a few years now, and I want to get back into it. I was doing the 40k thing, for years, but the current editions are pretty cost prohibitive for something that I'm probably going to end up not actually playing. I preferred Chaos Marines, Orks, and always wanted to do some Forgeworld Chaos Renegade conversions. I had some Tyranids, Tau, and Space Marines here or there, but I didn't particularly care for the large flat surfaces asthenic.

My question is, are there any good models or lines that are not GW, that would fit what I would like to do? Or should I just bite the bullet and jump right back into 40k?

Do you like the sci-fi part, or does it have to be specifically "GW style sci-fi"? Because there are a lot of nice kits for sci-fi TV shows, movies, video games or even some series that are invented primarily as model kits, like Maschinen Krieger. Either way, you will be hard to find a model kit that isn't cheaper than a GW kit of the same size, and as models they are probably a lot more detailed and high quality.

I started out as a warhammer gamer as a kid, and I found out that I really like to build "real world" tank kits. Some other people primarily like airplane kits, and some like sci-fi spaceship kits. You can find a decent kit for 15-20 bucks in pretty much any genre if you don't go for the huge scales, so a good start would be to buy some decent (not super super cheap, not crazy expensive) kits and give them a try.

You can always go and browse some model kit site, they have thousands of kits! If you check out http://www.hobbylinc.com/plastic-models for example, you'll see just how many different types of kits there are. If you don't find anything that appeals to you at all, then you're probably ready to jump back into 40K. But personally, I can hardly browse such a store without wanting to build a Bismarck, a Stuka bomber or a Tydirium shuttle.

If you can tell us if there is any specific genre that appeals to you, be it mechas or racing cars, we can probably give you some more hints about which ranges, scales and manufacturers to check out.

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

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Oh hello mr. postman



:circlefap:

(7 kits are for friends though)

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

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I just built the Tamiya 1/48 Panzer 38(t) kit:



All in all it was a pleasure, one of the easiest tank models I've built this far. Now I just have to paint it! :)

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

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big_g posted:

If it's anything like your smaller scale stuff it'll be fantastic. Really looking forward to seeing it done. Make sure to post plenty of WIP shots.

Thanks. It's for wargaming, so I'll probably just douse it in panzer grey and see what comes out. Should be really fun though! And the Bf 109 kit looks super tempting on the floor next to my hobby table, I can really see the appeal of airplane kits now. But first I need to paint a bunch of boring German infantrymen, so maybe I'll tackle it in July or so.

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

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Sanguine posted:

I, uh...

He's had more than enough inhalants..

I'm also really hoping a hull gets started next.

I hope the poor man can find someone to help him on that, it looks really daunting to build such a huge thing alone.

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

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Screw painting, let's build more poo poo.



Obligatory blood sacrifice:

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

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Pierzak posted:

Given the context, I parsed this as "I ran out of superglue to quick-close my cuts" :emo:

Exactly! "drat, I only have plastic glue left, that won't help at all if I separate an artery or two".

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

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COOL CORN posted:

My wife's grandfather flew a B-25 in WW2, and a family friend let us come view a restoration-in-progress last weekend. (This is a B-25D I think, not sure what my g-pa-in-law flew)



I was picking up some stuff at Walmart today and saw they had the Revell B-25J kit. I picked it up. :unsmith: I'm really excited even though it's my first plane model and seems to be some distinct differences in workflow from tank modeling.



High five plane model virgin! I'm nervously glancing at the Bf 109 kit sitting by my desk. I haven't built a plane since I hosed around with what I think was a 1/72 scale Blue Angels A-4 kit at age 12. It was not pretty.

Oh, and big_g, that looks amazing. Can't wait to see it finished. My own progress is less spectacular, but I built the Opel Blitz truck as well last night:



Now I just need to find where I put the masking tape that I bought, so that I can put a primer coat on it.

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

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big_g posted:

Looks promising, you got any ideas on colour schemes yet?

It's for late 41 on the eastern front, which afaik means maximum panzergrau, all the time. I could be wrong though.

E: after five vehicles painted panzergrau, i would not mind being wrong though.

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lilljonas
May 6, 2007

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Sanguine posted:

Thanks for that Bloody Hedgehog.

Those awesome dioramas from a bit back bit me as well. Now I can pile half-covered bits of mdf up next to my unpainted planes!

Can anyone give a quick rundown on 1/48 figure makers? I want to get some nice paratroopers (brit or US) to round out the diorama I'm planning.

There are very few plastic figure kits in 1/48. Since it's a airplane scale mainly, there are a bunch of pilots and air crew, but fewer of everything else. I tried to google for resin alternatives, but the only ones I found was from CMK. There's also a 1/48 kit of a C-47 that comes with some paratroopers:
http://web.ipmsusa3.org/content/c-47-skytrain-paratroopers

It would be easier to just go with normal GI's or Tommy's, as Tamiya has 1/48 plastic kits for both. But that might not be what you are looking for.

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