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Fearless
Sep 3, 2003

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Forgeworld also seems to have prices that are far more stable than their parent company, Games Workshop.

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Fearless
Sep 3, 2003

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Baronjutter posted:

So a project I was working on just got ruined because I used CA glue to do my glazing. It was fine all day but when I looked at it this morning the glazing had horribly fogged over in patches. I'm reading now CA releases fumes which does this to most glazing...

I'm also reading they recomend PVA glue, which apparently is just "white glue". But now I'm reading there's tons of types of white glue and not all are PVA. Oh god thread help me, what's a good fast-grabbing glue that I can use to glue paper to glazing and glazing to plastic that won't fog my glass and grabs and dries reasonably fast.

I've used "canopy glue" in the past but the dying time killed me. That poo poo didn't even start to grab for like 30 min.

This perfect glazing, hours of work, almost totally ruined :(


Try a gloss varnish over the affected glazing. It might fix things.

Fearless
Sep 3, 2003

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Nebakenezzer posted:

Having read through world war 2 from the perspective of Life I can tell you that minor mis-identifications are pretty common. I think somewhere in their Normandy coverage they identify a front-on Mk.IV Panzer as a Tiger, for example.

Model note: I'm diggin' the tracks on the Mk. III filled with dry mud and grass, and vaguely wonder if there's a technique I can do to capture it.

Reading contemporary allied accounts from the West after D-Day, one might be convinced that every German tank was a Tiger.

Fearless
Sep 3, 2003

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For $20 you can't go far wrong, and even if the blades turn out to be crap, decent x-acto ones can be readily had.

Fearless
Sep 3, 2003

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Things like Kickstarter are also a massive boon to the smaller indie operations.

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Sep 3, 2003

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Ensign Expendable posted:

There are scale model kickstarters? I have never seen one, but then again, I don't look too closely.

There are loads of them for wargaming miniatures. I can't recall any that are explicitly for scale models (mostly for want of looking), but based on how the funding model has allowed a lot of concepts to see the light of day, it's only a matter of time before someone makes the leap.

Fearless
Sep 3, 2003

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I finished a thing for the Sea Cadet unit I work with:



The cadets themselves fitted out the hull and worked on the mast, I finished the rigging and decals for them. They did a decent job on the hull and it was a good learning experience for them, and now the unit has a pretty kickass training aid.

Fearless
Sep 3, 2003

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That label is loving vile. I love it.

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Sep 3, 2003

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But guys, it's handcrafted by skilled partisans.

Fearless
Sep 3, 2003

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You know, backing some photoetch brass sheets like that with a piece of masking tape would help secure parts enough that they wouldn't fly off when cut with a knife or even flush cutters I bet.

Fearless
Sep 3, 2003

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Don't be so hard on yourself regarding the planking and nails. Whatever imperfections exist at this stage stand out because they are the only details added to this point; when you get more features on the deck, I doubt anyone will notice.

That said, I think they look just fine!

Fearless
Sep 3, 2003

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Ludicro posted:

I've not built a model plane since I was about 13 years old.



Lets do this.

Also does anyone know the best way to mask off and paint aircraft canopies?

Tamiya tape (or any low adhesive painter's masking tape) and a sharp scalpel work well for me.

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Sep 3, 2003

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porkfactor posted:

Not quite - from playing around I can see the decals don't quite cover the tail fully (particularly at the top, and along the front) so there's going to be an obvious transition from decal black to paint black.

I'm leaning towards trimming the decals back to the white line - at least then the transition will look deliberate.

Keep the decals nice and wet when you apply them and maybe brush on a little water to keep the tail surface slick to allow you to move them around more freely. Also, apply one, let it dry/apply MicroSol, then do the other later once the first is good and set.

Fearless
Sep 3, 2003

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SkunkDuster posted:

I see what you mean now. I guess I would just put a thin bit of black down where the seam is with the confidence that nobody but I would ever notice the transition. Judging from your progress so far, I think it is safe to say that however you end up doing it, it is going to look good. Also seconding Fearless' suggestion of Microset/Microsol. That stuff is fantastic.

I use it to help settle chapter insignia on the pauldrons of my space marines. I am pretty sure that is one of the most miserable surfaces ever devised for decal placement.

Fearless
Sep 3, 2003

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I use a twin bladed box window fan and a furnace filter that matches it in size to catch my overspray. Oh, and my booth is composed of a cardboard box and duct tape. Lots of duct tape.

I think I have about $15 into it.

Fearless
Sep 3, 2003

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Some of the Sheep posted:

These ships were bespoke when made, so getting them 'perfect' would probably not look right anyway. Your model looks like a ship built by master craftsman, so by that measure it is perfect.

Yeah, classes as we understand them today are a pretty laughable notion when every shipbuilder zealously guarded his secrets. Aside from the number of guns mounted, most ships in a rate were similar only in the broadest sense. poo poo, there are even subtle differences in modern ships of the same class, and I'm not talking about intentional amendments made to plans.

Interestingly enough, a lot of the old ships of the line were actually lopsided due to the imprecision of measuring instruments. I seem to recall reading something about how the construction of the Swedish ship Vasa featured several different linear measuring instruments, each with creative interpretations of what a set unit of measurment would be. I think one side extends further from the keel than the other.

Fearless
Sep 3, 2003

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Pierzak posted:

Annd it almost sailed a mile without sinking, too :allears:

It's been a while since grad school, but apparently her builder had never attempted to build a ship of that magnitude and complexity before. She had stability issues from the get-go-- apparently, running 30 men from port to starboard a few times was enough to make her rock badly enough to cause fear of a capsize.

Anyways, that wooden ship under construction by The Locator is absolutely gorgeous and I love seeing periodic updates of its progress.

Fearless
Sep 3, 2003

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The Locator posted:

The bone models are actually one of the prime sources of research for many ships of that period when no other really good records of them exist. They are amazing examples of human ingenuity and craftsmanship, and I never fail to be amazed that they were produced in the conditions of an early 19th century prisoner of war camp only the items and tools that they could come up with and make themselves.

It's astounding that they knew the ships well enough to make those amazing models from their memory too.

British sailors of the same period that were engaged in the blockade of the continent spent up to two years on a ship. If that is all you can see for that long, I bet you get to know it extremely well.

Fearless
Sep 3, 2003

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Pierzak posted:

Paint Soviet hardware and accuse all complainers of defeatism, reactionism and sabotage of the glorious people's arms industry :commissar:

I believe the period-correct term is "wrecking."



You'd know that if you weren't a filthy kulak.

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Sep 3, 2003

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I think that's an Admiral Hipper class heavy cruiser, not Tirpitz or Bismarck. Could be Prinz Eugen, which sailed with Bismarck on her last sortie.

Fearless fucked around with this message at 07:54 on Nov 14, 2015

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Sep 3, 2003

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That is utterly demented. I love it.

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The Locator posted:

I highly recommend getting a simpler ship to build first. Very few people who try something like the Victory as their first wooden ship ever finish it. Starting with that is seriously jumping into the deep end on a build that would take an experienced wooden ship builder 2-3 years to complete.

Some people do manage it, and you might be one of those exceptions, but the odds are against it.

This is a very good recommendation. The first wooden kit I attempted was a 1/72 scale Bluenose that defeated me. While I have loads of experience with very large scale plastic and resin models, I have never gone back to any sort of wooden models since and I think if I had started with something more within my level of capability I would have stuck with it.

Fearless
Sep 3, 2003

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lilljonas posted:

Yup, sprayed on a coat of grey primer, and then airbrushed a preshading coat, a mid coat, and a highlight. And... rrrrrrrip, lost huge chunks that stuck to the white tac. Plastic tanks survived, though.


I hate resin.

E: crossposting resin hate from the historical thread:

Are you in the habit of washing your resin kits before you paint them? There is often a lot of casting lube in the molds and that can transfer to the models themselves... a wash in lukewarm soapy water can help, though in the past FW kits have had that oily poo poo embedded in the resin itself and it's almost impossible to remove.

Fearless
Sep 3, 2003

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N17R4M posted:

I appreciate that the illustration has significantly more cleavage then the actual painted models. This is dangerously veering towards the German tradition of H0 scale fornication.

The scale means it's only a little obscene.

Fearless
Sep 3, 2003

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Ensign Expendable posted:

Yup, many thin layers is fine, one thick layer and you're hosed. Ask me how I know this.

Painting miniatures? I did that with an old metal space marine dreadnought nearly 20 years ago. Mercifully, being metal, it survived a bath in brake cleaner and was repainted. I doubt that sort of thing would fly with plastic or resin.

Fearless
Sep 3, 2003

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Arquinsiel posted:

You just have to change the bath. Cillit Bang degreaser works fine on resin or plastic.

Oh most definitely. I use Simple Green or Super Clean now and they work great so long as it's acrylic paint to be removed.

Fearless
Sep 3, 2003

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Greyhawk posted:

After the usual bout of logistical problems at the start of a Hachette partwork, I'm back at building the Scharnhorst. Issue 4 lets me add 2 frames and side beams to the front structure of the ship.



How is the exterior cladding of the hull done in these kits? Is it planking similar to the wooden tall ship kits, or is there some other method involved?

Fearless
Sep 3, 2003

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Gewehr 43 posted:

I love how photobucket's recent cash grab policy change has single handedly wiped out 99% of model build threads across the web. I don't know who I should be more made at: photobucket or the crusty old modeling crowd who used their terrible service for so many years.

Crotch Fruit posted:

Photobucket started charging $399 a year to be able to use the site for 3rd party hosting.

I belong to a forum that covers the care and feeding of Victorian period firearms and we got screwed by that too. A lot of small internet communities got hit hard.

Fearless
Sep 3, 2003

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Colonial Air Force posted:

Amazon actually has the Model Shipways wooden longboat for only $50. I think I remember someone saying it was a decent starter kit?

They also do really neat metal and wood (mostly metal) artillery kits. I've built two, the Napoleon gun-howitzer and the Whitworth gun and enjoyed building both. Those are also worth checking out if you want to try something a little different.

Fearless
Sep 3, 2003

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The Locator posted:

They make really crazy and big airplane skeleton kits too, using wood and metal.

I haven't checked those out, but I am putting some serious thought into making another stab at wooden ship building. I tried building a model of the Bluenose about 10 years ago and failed miserably. I might start with the Shipways cutter before making that leap to something larger. Proud Nova Scotian that I am, I'd like to give Bluenose another go and do it right.

Fearless
Sep 3, 2003

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I took the plunge back into wooden ship modelling. I've got a Model Shipways long boat coming in a couple of days to bang away at. I'm looking forward to doing this one right-- I've done tons of plastic, resin and metal over the years but wood's something I have yet to master.

Fearless
Sep 3, 2003

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I got a start on that longboat yesterday and have been able to start planking the hull. It's kind of daunting at first, particularly where past projects have lent themselves to rapid assembly. I've got two pairs of planks on so far and I swear I am learning something new with each plank as I go and each new one looks better and better. I've learned not to rush this, but the process of bending each plank so that it fits just so is therapeutic in its own right.

Fearless
Sep 3, 2003

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I ran into a little trouble planking my longboat. The instructions detailed the process of measuring out the available space left on the middle bulkhead and dividing that by 10 (the remaining number of planks needed for the hull) and indicated that this process needed to be done for each bulkhead to discover how much taper had to be given to each remaining plank. The instructions indicated that the taper would be quite gradual, but my math showed something very different-- I wound up with a very strong taper in each plank as they ran towards the bow. I was able to finish the planking and after another fairing pass, the hull is quite smooth and looks good.

The other reference photos I have seen of this kit do not have the same extreme taper that mine does so I'd like to get a better handle on where I went wrong so as to avoid making the same mistake in the future. I still really enjoyed the process though and would like to do it again.

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Sep 3, 2003

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The Locator posted:

Close-up photo's might help so we can see what you mean and maybe be able to help you figure out what happened.

Sure. Here are shots from multiple perspectives. I did manage to make things pretty symmetrical overall by planking two at a time, so I'm happy about that. This is my first serious attempt at planking and I feel like I learned a lot about it but I'm at a loss to explain how I wound up with results so divergent from what I've seen from other completed versions of the same kit.

E: I think that part of the problem might be that my garboard planks may have introduced a curve that built progressively over the course of the next few planks... but that still doesn't quite explain why the formula in the instructions produced such a severe taper.









And for a bonus, an old WIP of something I was more used to working on:

Fearless fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Apr 16, 2018

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Greyhawk posted:

I'll assume this is the 18th century longboat designed by Chuck Passaro?

There's two things. If you compare your second picture to the one on top of page 4 of your practicum you will see that while Chucks planks slant downwards towards the keel yours slant upwards. Basically theres too much strip left going upwards gradually building up until you run out of room. You can see the difference most prevalent in the garboard plank and the two following. Chuck cut these rather radically with a sharp keelward taper giving him the room to put in the other strip without them slanting upwards.

Also it's hard to say with the shadows but it looks like your garboard plank starts a little too far forward of the joint. If that is the case it would again contribute to the slanting issue above.

That being said, I think the boat looks quite nice as it is. Of course there's always the option of adding a second planking on top

It is indeed the longboat by Chuck Passaro. The garboard actually ends just ahead of the scarph joint in the keel (about 1/8" past it. It looks messy in there because I threw a patch in there to fill the gap, thinking that the garboard plank wasn't supposed to turn inwards to the keel like it did. This would explain why it looks that way (because functionally it does).

I see what you mean now and it makes sense.

Anyways, thank you for the guidance and kind words. I like the boat and intend to paint the hull white and black like one of Victory's longboats so the Many Sins of the Planking will be concealed from all but knowledgeable eyes.

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The Locator posted:

Being able to see it on my monitor at home, and reading about your patch, I can now see clearly the problem. I am terrible at paint, but I'll try to illustrate as best I can the flow that you should have used. The green squiggle is your patch, and the orange lines are where the planks should have been placed to properly flow without hooking upwards at the bow. Very little tapering should have been needed I think. I have this kit and really should build it someday!



As you said though, some light sanding to smooth it out, and painting, and it will be fine when you are done. The thing about wooden boat building is to always learn from your mistakes, and if you are like me, you will do lots of learning!

Looking forward to seeing you finish this.

Yes, I see what you mean. I like this kit a lot. It's been a great way to ease into wooden model building without committing to a much larger vessel. It's also kind of a labor of love; the longboat is very similar in form and function to the whalers and cutters I trained in as a Sea Cadet a very long time ago.

I've gotten into the habit of keeping log books of my hobbies to track progress and record lessons learned. I've already got several entries on this project and don't mind learning more as I go. Based on your work that I have seen, I'd say you've learned your lessons well.

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Sep 3, 2003

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I've done a bunch of work on the longboat. The interior is almost done and I am heading onto the rudder and tiller, then onto the rigging, mast and spars. I am seriously considering a vise of some sort to hold the boat as I install the rigging.





I opted for a colour scheme reminiscent of that worn by HMS Victory's longboat. I like the simple contrast between white and black (and it spares me from having to do all kinds of loopy freehand).

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The Locator posted:

Looks like you are doing really well!

Many thanks. I've gotten the hull basically complete and the rudder fitted. My task this weekend is to start the rigging, spars and mast.

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I've made more progress on my longboat. I have discovered that I do not enjoy rigging nearly as much as I do planking, but if I pace myself and set small, realistic goals it isn't so bad.



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Sep 3, 2003

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The Locator posted:

Rigging is a lot more fun when you are using quality line and blocks, not the garbage that kit makers supply. :v:

Sucks that the kit makers put crappy line and blocks into the kits, but that's the way it is. I throw out all the kit blocks and line and use aftermarket stuff from Syren - https://www.syrenshipmodelcompany.com/about-us.php

Doesn't cost too terribly much, and it's a huge improvement on the finished model, as well as my enjoyment working with it.

Thanks for the advice. It's not quite the quality of the materials that is presenting the biggest hurdle, it's my decidedly not-dainty sausage fingers and gorilla hands. I've been waxing all of my lines and it has made them far easier to handle than the really slippery condition it's in as-issued.

Also, I just checked out that site and holy cats those lines are nice. When I move on to my next kit I know where I am headed.

Bloody Hedgehog posted:

Excellent work so far! Really digging your work on this build.

Thank you. It's by no means perfect but unless something is egregiously bad I'm not going back to fix it. Each error is a tiny little monument to the learning process. That said, I am mostly happy with it so far.

I've been painting and building models since I was six. Most of them were plastic, with a fair few metal and resin kits thrown in there. My first stab at building a wooden model ship did not end well, but I think that I am better positioned to build a kit like this now that I am older and more patient than I was 12 or 13 years ago.

Fearless fucked around with this message at 10:19 on Apr 23, 2018

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