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PRADA SLUT
Mar 14, 2006

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Cut Like Knives posted:

In the other thread people were talking about cutting a clip (by beat or transient) and having it playable from the keyboard, and what was the fastest way of doing this. Someone mentioned the 'slice clip to new MIDI track' option, which I played around with - gently caress, what a useful tool.

There is, however, one problem I'm running into with it. It's slicing the clip at its original tempo, meaning if I cut a bar loop at quarter notes for sample playback via keyboard or drum pads, it will probably be out of time.

Right now I can think of two ways around it but neither are exactly conducive to speed. The first is re-recording the warped clip into another track and slicing that new clip. The other is circumventing a new track entirely by copying the clip within its track and cropping each copy's loop markers in different places (like one of the older youtube tutorials; e.g a 1-bar loop becomes four clips, each a quarter-note long).

These solutions definitely work, but I'm wondering if I've made some glaring oversight in this slicing of clips into the drum rack. Is there a quicker/easier way of making a loop 'key playable' that still maintains tempo/warp properties?

Try comping the clip before you slice it. If I remember right, when you comp a clip it locks it to the tempo and warping it was at.

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PRADA SLUT
Mar 14, 2006

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RivensBitch posted:

Yes, but as mentioned, protools and cubase offer a one-click solution for fading the edges of clips. Besides being a very quick way to create this edit, it also has the benefit of linking the fade to the clip, so if you drag the clip it follows.

Can't you make a crossfade curve with nothing into it? I don't have Live 8, but I remember one of the points being something about being able to fade in with curves like that.

PRADA SLUT
Mar 14, 2006

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The Cleaner posted:

-I know ableton is great for working on electronic stuff, but what about recording rock music?

Works fine. You can do any genre.

quote:

-Ableton vs Protools.. hate to compare such different appz, but comparing the basics?

Pro Tools has more overhead functionality, Live is more streamlined for a better workflow.

quote:

-VST and other plugins.. which has more compatibility?

Same.

quote:

-Are they both respected as industry standards?

There's no industry standard. Use whatever's easiest for you.

PRADA SLUT
Mar 14, 2006

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Elder posted:

How do you guys like the vocoder in 8? I am thinking about upgrading just for this.

Get the demo and load up a preset project, it's called Synth+Vocoder or something weird. I was playing with it the other night, I like it.

But then again I'm not huge into vocoders so I can't make an accurate comparison to other ones.

PRADA SLUT
Mar 14, 2006

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Justus posted:

Since going back to school for electronics, I don't do as much professional audio work anymore as I used to, so it feels good to type out stuff like that from time to time just to think about it and show myself that I still know it. Glad you enjoyed it.


That's a little different, I suppose. If you're super into creating your own sounds and such, you can consider EQ part of the process of producing a sound. It's less jarring because you're electronically manipulating a sound that was electronically produced to begin with - whereas any EQ you apply to a recording of a flute is going to make it sound more electronic and less like a flute. Any amount of EQ will introduce problems with phase, etc., so I still think it's best use sparingly as possible, but sometimes it's what you need.

I suppose most synthesizers on their own have a tendency to produce sounds that are very harmonically rich, and won't play well with a mix without some treatment.

I also suppose I'll take this opportunity to admit that I tend to use some EQ on most sounds as well. The main thrust of that advise is that if you find yourself wanting to boost the lows of an electric guitar by a whole ton in EQ, it's probably because you created a weak sounding recording to begin with, and it's much easier to solve by means other than EQing.

EDIT: For clarification, I don't mean the sound from the pickups of an electric guitar necessarily, but the sound recorded through a microphone aimed at an amp.

I carve it up.

Take your EQ, take one band, crank it up as high as it goes, keep the bandwidth narrow as it goes (so basically you've got a flat EQ with one huge bump sticking up). Slowly sweep the EQ up, listening carefully. When you find something that sounds like rear end, reverse the gain (notching it out). Repeat.

By doing this you can cut out the lovely sounding frequencies of other sounds. Things like bass and vox can be tightened up by notching about 500hz, synths and electric guitars grate less if you cut around 3k, etc. There's all sorts of lovely-sounding frequencies that exist in sounds that you can cut out with this method.

PRADA SLUT
Mar 14, 2006

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Plastic Snake posted:

Do you just use EQ Eight for this?

It's all you need. I've never had to use more than 8 bands to cut frequencies. If you need 8 bands to get rid of bad frequencies, you need a different timbre.

ynohtna posted:

Didn't see anyone else answer this, but if you make your channel strip wider then Live will draw the dB values next to the VU meter. Resizing the meter section to be taller also gives greater visual granularity. I can't remember whether this works in Live 7 but it certainly does in 8.



It was added with 6.

quote:

Does anyone know if you can insert effects before Live's recording path, or do I still have to bounce from one track which has the effects (compressor, etc) to another which performs the actual recording into a clip?

As in, record an effect to tape? If dropping them in the channel doesn't record it to tape, then I don't think so. You could record it and then flatten it, though.

PRADA SLUT fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Jun 13, 2009

PRADA SLUT
Mar 14, 2006

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One question about post.


When I have room tone extremely low, like barely touching the meters low, it sounds like the sound fades in and out, almost like it's oscillating. When I kick it up a few dB, it stops. It doesn't drop off the end of the meters or anything, it's just pretty much as low as you can get it.

Would changing to a higher bit depth stop this from happening? I don't have the means to try it right now.

PRADA SLUT
Mar 14, 2006

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Did the price to upgrade Live go up? I'm using L6 still, and when I looked at the site, it was $289 to upgrade to L8, $419 for L8 Suite.

I could have sworn it was like $130.

PRADA SLUT
Mar 14, 2006

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:siren: Deal :siren:

Buy Live 8 before August 31st and get Sampler for free. So, it's Live 8, Operator, and Sampler.

PRADA SLUT
Mar 14, 2006

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Vanmani posted:

Not valid with educational discount unfortunately. But if you get the aforementioned NI Komplete for $399 (which includes Kontakt 3) you probably won't have much need for Sampler anyway.

I still like Sampler. For straight sample playback it's whatever, but for sound design reasons it rocks.

PRADA SLUT
Mar 14, 2006

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I swear, as much as I love Live, it's like a $250/year license because of their upgrades.

PRADA SLUT
Mar 14, 2006

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So, did the whole online collabing thing just get thrown out the window or what?

PRADA SLUT
Mar 14, 2006

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What the poo poo is going on here.

Live8, Win7, i7 860, 4GB RAM

I'm consistently getting the LIVE DONT HAVE ENOUGH MEMORY CLOSE YOUR SET NOW LOL message.

I'm doing a postproduction project, which has a boatload of clips (although most are tracks that are one audio file but have been cut into pieces -- master dialogue tracks). No crazyass plugins, resource-draining poo poo or the like. CPU meter is fine. Buffer size is normal. No clips are playing from RAM.

Does it matter that I'm not comping the dialogue tracks into hundreds of individual files? I'm just non-destructively slicing it apart (as usual), but it's turned into hundreds of clips with individual fade envelopes. Would smaller clips be better?

Also, my video playback seems to be lagging behind. When I render it it lines up perfectly (so I know the track just isn't out of alignment), but for some reason Live isn't playing it back like it should. I've used Live for years and there's nothing that should be bogging the project down from a memory/cpu standpoint. Live uses about 900 megs of RAM with the project loaded, and I have about 1.5 gigs free.

It's not even just playback that crashes it. Doing poo poo like SAVING or adjusting buffer size with the project open (and stopped) will trigger the message.

I've done a Live 6 postproduction project with more clips on a weaker machine and it was just fine. Is this a problem with 8?

PRADA SLUT fucked around with this message at 02:36 on Feb 24, 2010

PRADA SLUT
Mar 14, 2006

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moron posted:

I'm trying to send a Live 8 set to a friend, but he can't get it to open. He gets a 'The document was created by a more recent or incompatible version of Live' error. I'm on a Mac and he's on a PC. We're both on version 8.1.1. Is there a special way that I have to package up the save file for it to work on the PC version?

FWIW, I'm using a legit version but his is a warezed one. Would that make a difference?

I don't know if that's the case here, but hacked copies of Live do all sorts of crazy poo poo sometimes.

Live sets are cross-platform.

mezzir posted:

This has been bugging me for a while, though not to the point where I research how to work it out, just to where I work around it. Ableton will only recognize my midi keyboards if they are on when live is opened initially. Is there any way, with live open, to plug in/turn on a keyboard and have it work without having to restart ableton?

I can hot-swap under OSX fine.

PRADA SLUT
Mar 14, 2006

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Figured out my problem.


Apparently Live has a tendency to freak the gently caress out when you've got multiple 90-minute audio tracks with hundreds of cuts and fades in them (postproduction dialogue editing). Flattening the track solved the problem.

Live also starts chugging during playback of those sets (visually only, audio doesn't drop) because of it having to resample the waveform image when zooming in and out or sliding it around. Folding unused tracks helps this.

I know this isn't a hardware problem since I've got a fat processor and video card, and this has happened under OSX/Win7 and older versions of Live as well.


So, for those of you doing postproduction and need to manage resources, flatten your tracks scene by scene when you're done with them, and fold any tracks you aren't using. It doesn't matter how much hardware you have it seems, as Live wasn't designed to deal with multiple waveform images of that size. Your CPU or disk meter will never be too full, but I'm guessing because of Live's "never stop" playback idea, it gets way too overloaded trying to hold those hundreds of clips with fades and cuts in them and ends up crashing.

PRADA SLUT
Mar 14, 2006

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Is Live 64-bit yet?

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PRADA SLUT
Mar 14, 2006

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I'm running 64-bit Windows 7, but Live doesn't seem to recognize 64-bit plugins, only the 32-bit ones.

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