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Bensa
Aug 21, 2007

Loyal 'til the end.
Speakers might actually be the only thing that could ever required burn-in, the surrounds might be more stiff than intended if they've not been used or have been in storage for a long time.

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Bensa
Aug 21, 2007

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Watches are kind of an iffy comparison, the price does come out of actual research, materials and labour costs which are all huge since companies don't share info, you use gems and precious metals, and it takes a very long time to train a watchmaker. Of course you can use a steel quartz watch which will keep better time but the actual costs are justified in mechanical watch production. Might not make a difference but atleast you're not getting bullshit from their claims.

With audio stuff producing by hand isn't necessary and the materials don't actually cost much unless you're using tons of silver wiring. The "research" is mostly just snake-oil as well. So unless you have a a gold plated amp with diamond encrusted controls then theres not much to justify costs, its mostly just the idiot premium.

The claims by audiophile companies that they are somehow producing a superior product with some magic advantages discovered by unqualified researchers are the worst since they actually claim to be able to discern differences that labs costing exponentially more than their entire networth can't. I'm pretty sure that companies that do actual valid research and have much larger research divisions would incorporate actual innovations into their products.

Bensa
Aug 21, 2007

Loyal 'til the end.

Spoondrift posted:

The DAC has no notion of "1". The DAC has no notion of "0". The DAC is an analog circuit that turns voltages into other voltages.

Computer data does't work the same way because the voltages are only ever interpreted as bits. The variations in voltage aren't being propagated to an analog signal (computer audio, etc., is an obvious exception, but this is the general case).

As an aside, computer networks and storage use error correction methods because bits DO sometimes get flipped.

The DAC will output the same no matter if the input is .95 or 1.05, it only records at what range the signal came in. The input voltages do not matter as long as the sample comes in with the same bits, it will then get ouput as the same analog signal as any other digital signal with the same sample regardless of the individual voltages of the bits.

Bensa
Aug 21, 2007

Loyal 'til the end.

Spoondrift posted:

Can you cite this or show an example of a circuit with this property?

timb posted:

S/PDIF transmits 20-bit data via biphase mark code. When using coaxial, 0.5-1v represents a 1, anything below that is a 0.

Lets say you got a sample consisting of 01, you can have that be sent digitally as a 0.3V and 0.7V, or 0.2V and 0.8V, both will have the same output in the same DAC. The input is only used for reading the bit, it has no other effect on the output (on a properly designed DAC). Therefore as long as the sample is the same the input voltage is irrelevant to the output.

Spoondrift posted:

Can you give any explanation of how a more advanced DAC "understands" what bits are?

They're inherently designed to either read the input as a 0 or 1 based on voltage ranges and then transmit to the ouput generator only as a guide, not as the actual signal to output. They have no need to "understand", just like how a certain voltage will punch through a dielectric a certain voltage will trigger a signal from the input stage to the output stage.

Bensa fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Nov 19, 2009

Bensa
Aug 21, 2007

Loyal 'til the end.

fahrvergnugen posted:

Can we all agree that placement of the DAC in a digital audio stream (as in, on-board with your sound card, or offboard at your amp) does make a difference?

Its not really the placement of the DAC that matters since the signal to it should be unaffected, the portion that matters is the path that the analog signal from it takes since its immensely more susceptible to interference.

Bensa
Aug 21, 2007

Loyal 'til the end.
A shield of lead one lightyear thick to stop all those pesky neutrinos.

Bensa
Aug 21, 2007

Loyal 'til the end.
I think a lot of the ability to hear differences between lossy/lossless is knowing what to listen for, this is where having experience mixing or doing recordings help. Its like the Fedex arrow, once you know its there you can't ignore it. Some musical styles are more suspectible to it based on how much is spent on production, there is also the effect of having contrast within tracks, not just in terms of dynamics but if your instrumentation covers massive areas of the spectrum rather than various distinct blocks then you're less likely to be able to hear nuances in them. Pauses also help since they allow you to hear resonance and fading tones.

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Bensa
Aug 21, 2007

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Socket Ryanist posted:

Is a light gold-plating even really that expensive? I figure they would put just enough gold plating on it to make it look gold-plated.

Gilding connectors costs cents at the most, the layer can be just a few atoms thick.

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