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Hey, cool to see an FSO thread that appears to have gained critical mass and is still steaming along! Reading through the thread I was reminded about the diplomatic courier position, from what I remembered looking at before they aren't open that often. I had a peep at the DSS website again and in the sidebar it looks like they'll be posting an opening on USAJobs in the next week or so. Don't think my chances are that great (lots of travel/overseas experience but just graduating with a BA) but I'm gonna go out for it anyways. edit: I've got Schedule A noncompetitive hire status, does anyone have any suggestions for what kind of position(s) in the DoS I might be able to apply for with that? Pompous Rhombus fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Sep 21, 2009 |
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Theace41 posted:Lets say hypothetically, and this is a big hypothetical, that somebody taking the FSOT and hoping for a career in the foreign service had visited N. Korea in the last year or so on a hiking trip. Should this be played up wherever possible as a unique travel experience or would it be look upon not so favorably given the whole axis of evil thing? If they get far enough, they will have to disclose it in the investigation for their security clearance anyways. They'll have an opportunity to explain it and it doesn't seem like it'd be an automatic 100% deal-breaker, but if they have people (preferably American citizens) who were on the trip with them that the DSS investigator can contact, that will help their case. Also I thought you could only go to a few areas of NK and had to have a government toadie/tour guide with you the whole time? Edit: there's no need to be cute about it if it's you, they're going to find out if you try and hide it, and lying to them will get your clearance application automatically rejected. Pompous Rhombus fucked around with this message at 04:28 on Oct 6, 2009 |
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SWATJester posted:Yeah I had a bunch of those questions, but all of them except the "what is convergent thinking" one were stupidly easy. There are a few management books on the reading list of the study guide that I figured I should read up on, since I've only tangentially studied that sort of thing. I tried cracking one of them and ugh, I'll just wing it on that section. Common sense and a decent vocabulary can take you pretty far on a lot of those questions, I think.
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Business of Ferrets posted:I can tell you, though, that Bangkok is a very sought-after posting, so I suspect that plenty of folks are getting out and enjoying the city/country/region. Is it? Lame. (I studied Thai there and was thinking it'd be cool to get back in the near future) Also, I met an FSO while I was there. If you think first-tour consular work all sounds really dull, he said his first tour in Vietnam he spent a fair amount of time picking up bodies of dead American tourists (mostly drug overdoses).
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GZA Genius posted:I have a quick question, I took the FSOT last week and have been preparing for the worst. My current plan has been to go to South Korea to teach English when I graduate from college in the Spring (that is if I don't actually make it through the whole FSO process). Mandarin is a "Super Critical Needs" language, and Korean is in the "Critical Needs" category. However, looking at the DoS's own site, the bonus you get for them is the same (.4). Not really sure why they make the distinction between the two if that's the case. At any rate, go for the one that interests you the most: you'll be required to serve in a country where it's spoken at least twice in your career if you get the bonus. If you're even semi-serious about the studying, it shouldn't take years to get the standard they're looking for. They're only looking for a 2 out of 5 (basiclly coversational-level stuff, not fluency), and only spoken at that. On the same token, don't get too cocky, you have to do it over the phone, and not having body language and other non-verbal cues makes it a lot trickier than a face-to-face interaction. Pompous Rhombus fucked around with this message at 18:25 on Oct 17, 2009 |
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Suntory BOSS posted:*unrelated note: I got an automated email notification that DoS is accepting applications for Diplomatic Courier positions. If anybody wants to be the lovechild of Tom Hanks in The Terminal and Fry from Futurama, this may be for you! Yeah, I'm applying for that. Technically qualified, but as a recent graduate I'm pretty sure I basically have no chance. Still, I know I'd kick myself later for not at least trying. Also I'm going to quit putting off registering for the FSOT. I've been working it up to be something I need to study a lot more for, but I got a 17/20 on the practice thing that comes with the study guide, and even if I'm not likely to pass the Orals if I make that far, it's better to start getting as much practice/experience as I can.
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Vilerat posted:I felt the study guide was a lot more difficult than the test itself.  TCD posted:When I was sitting on the tarmac the other day waiting for the plane to take off, myself and a coworker were talking about the courier job... There's a chance after a career of being a courier, that you'd see most of the world... But, it would pretty much be international airports. It looks pretty interesting to me, and if nothing else, plenty of time to get caught up on my reading.
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Vilerat posted:Your job is literally 'being there'. I think most of the couriers have routes they manage and your job is fairly routine and you'd make a SHITLOAD of money with per diem (and depending if your office lets you pocket the rest if you stay at a lovely hotel that could be a lot) but drat gently caress that. I'd never touch my per diem: I’d go to Craft Service, get some raw veggies, bacon, Cup-A-Soup— baby, I got a stew going. I read that "Inside the DoS" book that they offhandedly recommend and there was at least one entry from a courier. It would doubtless be a tough job to like if you were older/had a family, but honestly right now if I had the choice between that and FSO, I'd take the courier job.
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Barracuda Bang! posted:I'm applying for the courier position too. I was actually looking through this thread to see if anyone had any information about it and saw that you guys were already at it. But yeah, any info anyone has? Would a recent grad with 3.5 years of computing lab work for his university and a summer working at an office in Beijing have a shot? I dunno, I'm a recent graduate too and I rate my chances as being pretty grim despite two and a half years of study abroad. Probably 80% of my "I've got experience doing X" answers come from a single 3 month stint as a volunteer police interpreter overseas  Don't wait until the last minute to do the application, I had to redo my resume into the USAJobs format yesterday, and they've got a little survey/quiz on your experience that takes a little while. There's an autobiographical essay at the end (working on that right now) that lets you sell yourself outside of your resume/answers to the survey.
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Smeef posted:Yeah, it was just interim clearance. I'm sure I'd pass if I went through the whole shebang, but now I've got the additional "Yes" check next to any apps that ask if I've ever failed a security clearance application. There's usually a little space where you write something in (in my limited experience so far anyways), so you might have a chance to explain it in future applications. If you don't mind me asking, any idea what hosed you? Sent in my supporting documents for the Courier position this morning, fingers crossed 
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Smeef posted:I have very extensive international travel experiences to strange places, and not surprisingly have a large group of international friends as well. The catch-22 of course is that these are traits that were important for getting the initial offer. Ruh-roh, me too (nothing Axis of Evil-y though)  I got a Secret in April but they didn't call up any of my references AFAIK. I got a scary e-mail a month before I got mine saying Diplomatic Security had denied DoS's request for an interim clearance, but then added it was because they hadn't finished the investigation at that point. Of course Gmail's inbox shows just that first sentence, so it gave me a quick "WTF, oh crap" moment before I opened it. Xandu posted:That sucks; I'm hoping spending the next year in Syria and Beirut won't screw me over at a later date. I don't think it necessarily would. From meeting with the investigator and filling out my own SF-86, it'll be a lot easier to get a clearance later on if you can find some reputable-looking Americans over there to get to know and later list as references. Registering with the embassy would also help. (I wonder if you could even write little reports or something every month for the local Diplomatic Security post to keep on file for a later investigation?) Someone with a higher clearance and/or more familiarity with the process could probably answer your questions better than I could on that stuff though. I've been idly kicking around the idea of trying to go to Tehran to study Farsi or to Myanmar for Burmese, dunno if that'd be a little too far out there for them or not.
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CherryCola posted:So has anyone done the language assessment? I'm going to need to do one in Hindi or Urdu (or both? they're so drat similar) I'm sort of wondering what kind of vocab I should be reviewing. I can hold my own decently well, but I'm just wondering how the interviews are usually laid out. I took it for National Language Service Corps through Language Testing International, not 100% that the DoS uses the same people or not. It starts out pretty basic (tell me about yourself, family, etc) and as it goes they ramp up the difficulty to try and find your limit. They say it's unstructured but it's not really like a conversation, you can tell they're following a script and just branch out from there. They ask you to describe a current event, so it helps if you find one and read up on any specialized vocab. There was also a roleplay, the tester came up with the situation that she loaned me her iPod and I broke it/lost it, and would keep coming up with weird situations to keep the conversation going. Finally stonewalled her when I explained that all of her precious data was backed up in her computer's iTunes Library, so me buying a new one meant she wouldn't lose the presentation she needed for the next day. There was also a section where she wanted me to solve society's problem with young people. All in all it lasted about 45 minutes. I got an Advanced Mid (equivalent to a 2+ ILR) after inexplicably choking on the current event section, which was so stupid because that was what most of my coursework focused on and I'd even prepared for it ahead of time. I may re-take it at my own expense in a few months if I get a chance to re-immerse myself: 2+ is the minimum State is looking for, but it cost me an assignment with NLSC that I had really wanted As far as taking both, you only get bonus points for one language and both of those are Super Critical Needs, so just take whichever one is easier for you. Oh, not sure if they're full or not (just passed the original 1000 members target) but if you're interested, one of NLSC's 10 Charter languages is Hindi. I can't really find a downside to being in it: any assignments are optional, you get free government training when applying for some of them (as well as free language assessment), and it fleshes out your resume a bit.
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USAJobs Automatic Notification, at 1:30am posted:Eligible - Application Referred to Selecting Official woot
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Business of Ferrets posted:Take the test and give it a try. You get to test once each year, so don't put it off too long if you think you might try more than once if the first time doesn't pan out. Yeah, that's a good way of looking at it. I'm gonna register for the next test sometime in the next week or two. Business of Ferrets posted:Keep in mind that the concept of "worldwide availability" is really being emphasized right now, especially in light of increased staffing in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Near East is a good place to have experience (especially language proficiency) these days, but try not to give the impression that you would not serve anywhere else; if the examiners infer that, you might find yourself without a passing score. The FSO I talked with last year said if you're single you're almost guaranteed a tour in one of those two in your first 5 years. FWIW, if you're applying for the language bonus in the hiring process you're guaranteed a placement at a post using that language for one of your first two tours, and another one later in your career. Of course you could wind up in one of those wildcard ones, like the Russian-speakers in Israel that were mentioned earlier in this thread (I think).
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ugh quote isn't edit Scandiaavity posted:(and wasn't the oral exam the reason why most people fail the FSOT, BOF?) I think so, the written part is more to filter out the white-noise applicants. There's also the black magic and voodoo associated with the QEP stage.
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Vilerat posted:That's bullshit. Iraqistan jobs are purely volunteer at this point. Your first two tours are directed however, but they don't direct you to unaccompanied. Ah, good to know. Can't say I fancy living in a compound. Are they at all popular to volunteer for? I assume they pay more and get you put higher on the list the next time you're bidding on an assignment, and I imagine some people would like the challenge.
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Good luck dude! Also, the standard isn't super-high, I hemmed and hawed for a minute or two and flat out said "I dunno, I just can't do this" on the current event section and got an Advanced Mid, which corresponds with a 2+ on the ILR scale. I found it helped to close my eyes and imagine I was talking to a native-speaker friend of mine, but I'm a pretty visual person.
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Barracuda Bang! posted:So, I submitted an application for the courier job about two and a half weeks ago - how long does it usually take for them to decide if you can take the exam, or whatever the next step is? It's been on "Eligible - referring to hiring official" or whatever for a while now. Eh, same here. Just switch it to giving you automated updates on your application status by e-mail (if you haven't already), sit back, and wait.
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TCD posted:4-5 months for me to go from application submission to receiving invitation for oral exam. During that time, I had only a single instance of contact, and that was to clarify a point, and once I replied, it was back to the no contact phase. Oh, dang... I was thinking maybe a month tops. Thanks for the heads-up! SWATJester posted:I think I had good enough answers, but goddamn that 1200 character limitation is short. This might sound like a tiny/stupid question, but is that 1200 with or without spaces? I remember when I was applying for the DoS summer internship I had this perfectly tailored statement, copy/pasted it into the box and found out I had to completely re-work it.
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CherryCola posted:Holy poo poo! I passed the language test! I didn't get a number score because apparently the one I took was pass/fail. I'm sooo happy this is going to be on my application now. Nice man, congrats! (I only found out my score by asking the agency I was taking the test for, the testing place won't tell you directly.) That .4 is gonna be nice to have.
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If you marry a foreign national, could you potentially lose your security clearance?Business of Ferrets posted:I finished with a 3/3 (speaking/reading) on the ILR scale. I started from nothing. How is the written test? Do they do it in-house, or through Language Testing International? When I checked I don't think LTI had a written test for Thai, which kinda negates the majority of what I studied. Also, do they automatically accept other foreign language credentials (like the HSK for Chinese, etc) without having to take the test?
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Barracuda Bang! posted:So, it's barely been a month and a half since I submitted my application online, so this is going to sound really impatient - but I've been going on the time frame someone mentioned before of 4-5 months for a response and I'm working if it's ever shorter than that. Has anyone heard a response to a job there in like two months? It's for the courier position, btw. No word yet here either. TBH I've kinda almost forgotten about the position, got plenty of other things on my plate now (not that I wouldn't drop all of them for the courier job).
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SWATJester posted:Government jobs classify into one of two ways: Exempted Services and Competitive Services. Most entry level government positions (all the way down to things like Janitors) are competitive service -- the applicants have certain rights, and once job is granted, they can only be fired for certain reasons. How does this fit in with non-competitive hiring status? Also, I asked about it a while ago and didn't really get an answer, any tips/suggestions on job-hunting with it?
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SWATJester posted:When you apply, they should tell you whether the job is Excepted or not, though most of the time you can tell anyway (is it a job requiring a graduate level education, involving placing you or your comrades in danger, etc.?) Yeah, true. From USAJobs it seems more and more apparent that Master's is the new Bachelor's Back to language stuff, I'm applying for a one-year language grant for 2010. It's intended for professionals, and I'm applying with the angle of it being useful to a career in the Foreign Service. To that end, I need to sell my application to the foundation as having a rigorous, full-time program of study that's tailored specifically to the needs of an FSO. As it turns out, the most likely place I'm applying to study at happens to be the school used by the Foreign Service Institute, diplomats get a choice of studying there or in DC. The downside is that I've probably already had the equivalent of most of the 900-1000 hours they offer, so I'm kind of on my own for coming up with the advanced, upper level stuff. So basically, what sort of language skills/areas do FSO's typically use, specifically political or consular cone? I think stuff like literature/descriptive language I can safely ignore, I'm guessing I should emphasize things like politics/economics, etc. I'm at around an ILR score of 2+ (speaking) right now, reading/writing I've never been assessed on.
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Business of Ferrets posted:What language is it and what school are you considering? I'm not aware of any voluntary options besides FSI, though students of some very-low-density languages do wind up in contract programs, rarely. It's the Thai program at Chiang Mai University (grant is the Blakemore Language grant). I was a little surprised it wasn't at Chulalonkorn (my Thai-language alma mater, in Bangkok), as CMU's regular yearlong course doesn't look as rigorous as Chula's. OTOH Chula doesn't really offer private lessons, so that could be it. Cheers for the info, wrote all of that down. My previous course covered a lot of that sort of thing (at the expense of some more useful day-to-day stuff), and I've been trying to stay sharp by listening to Thai-language news radio through the internet, although it's a bit of a losing battle without really having to produce stuff in my day-to-day life. Definitely got some remedial work to do. As far as for the essay, what sort of situations does an FSO most often find themselves using the foreign language in? Early on I know you're pretty much guaranteed a stint in a consular section, so I know there's that.
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Miss Fats posted:After doing all kinds of research into what life has in store for me (domestic policy work, grad school, law school, campaign work, or mcdonald's) I've basically decided this is what I want to do. I applied to take the FSOT the other day and should be hearing back in January. If on top of that you don't have much work/internship experience it seems kind of unlikely you will make the cut. It would probably help to do the NGO stuff, Peace Corps is another possibility somewhat in that same direction. Military service is another shortcut, although again it's hardly a guarantee.
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Miss Fats posted:That always baffled me because it's a government org. It's because they don't want it to look like PCV's are gathering intelligence for the CIA, etc. It wouldn't affect getting hired at State (don't returned PCV's get a special bonus in the application process?), but the intelligence community is a pretty big hirer or political science grads, so it's something to consider.
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CronoGamer posted:Hi guys- great thread, made for some good reading and quality links. I've gotten through 12 of the 16 pages, but have to get going so I thought I'd get my question out there. You should probably go for Korea over Japan if you're interested in the Foreign Service, as State doesn't give any special language bonuses for Japanese. I think there's generic credit for working proficiency in any language, but you'd get the same points for your Khmer as you would Japanese (and they don't stack, you only get one language bonus), which are both way lower than what Korean speakers get. Obviously you've already got experience with this in the PC, but being an English teacher is probably the biggest obstacle you can give yourself living in country and trying to pick up the language, since you're obligated to use English at work all the time. You may want to look in to doing the MA first instead, and applying for something like the Boren Fellowship, a regular Fulbright grant, or something through your university/program for dedicated overseas study. You might also see if the Korean government (or any Korea-America friendship type organization) offers any scholarships for foreigners to go and study the language. I'm applying for something from the Chinese government for next year. You may just want to apply for the MA and the Foreign Service at the same time. It's a long, involved process and at worst you'd be out RT airfare to DC and a hotel room to take the Orals. Any grad program in IR that won't work with you for the FSO hiring process likely has some serious problems. Pompous Rhombus fucked around with this message at 14:15 on Dec 20, 2009 |
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BoF, do many/any FSOs do language learning on their own if they're gunning for a post they were turned down for, or do they all pretty much work within the State Department's system?madcow posted:I am kind of curious if you speak critical needs language like Korean, does that almost guarantee you are going to get posted to a place where the language is spoken for your first post or are there other options available? As you pointed out that might not be an ideal way to start out (i.e. getting assigned to Seoul). It does, it's part of the deal/contract you get for accepting the language bonus points in the application. You're guaranteed one tour there as a junior officer, and another later in your career.
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Haji posted:When are the scheduled testing times? Is it always in October for the written? They have the written test several times a year now, at locations around the world. They recommend subscribing to "The Economist", which if you're in a crunch for reading time also has an audio edition. It's a weekly publication. I think there's a more complete reading list attached to the study guide, which you can purchase in .PDF format from the State Department's website for $20 or so.
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Hey, me again. I was talking with BoF over PM and had some general stuff I thought would be better in the thread. What's the deal with language training early in your career, especially if you get the points bonus for proficiency? For example, say I tested with a 2 in spoken Mandarin and got the bonus, which requires me to serve in China for at least one of my initial tours. Would they be likely to send me for language training before my first tour in China, or would they be more likely to have me scrape by with what I have, and not pay for language training until I became tenured?
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That sucks, Vilerat. Omits-Bagels posted:I am in the Americorps right now and we get the non-competitive hiring bonus on govt jobs for a year after our service is up. Do you know if that would give me a boost on the foreign service hiring scheme? I kind of assume it doesn't. I've got the same thing (not from Americorps) and I'm pretty sure it doesn't. Edit: your experience will probably help you out with the Biographical section, at least Edit 2: What's the deal with only requiring a 2/2 in languages for FSO's, but most regular embassy positions I see advertised requiring something like a 4/4 for most jobs? Are foreign languages really not that big a deal in the working life of a Foreign Service Officer? Also, is there a pay bonus for languages like in the military? Pompous Rhombus fucked around with this message at 18:32 on Jan 12, 2010 |
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Vilerat posted:I just looked through the staffing pattern list and most language designated jobs are 3/3 or 2/2. I see no 4/4's. Actually I see one but it's a senior foreign service position as a public diplomacy chief. Not talking USAJobs, going by the positions offered on an embassy's HR page. (Or this could be specific to Thailand.)
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TCD posted:As Vile mentioned, Jobs advertised on Embassy websites are not FSO/FSS job advertisements. We have an internal bid program. Jobs offered on HR websites are typically LES (locally engaged staff). For example, I just interviewed and hired one of those types of advertisements, and the requirements was 4/4 in 4 languages. Now, I'm not sure our 4/4 is the same as getting 4/4 at FSI Ah, are you saying it's self-assessed, rather than assessed by the State Department? That makes sense I suppose, given the expense of testing. Interesting food for thought. Hey, looked what popped up on my Tweeter feed: dos_interns posted:
quote:The application period for the Career Entry Program is now OPEN. We accept applications every six months. Applications should be sent electronically to Lana Chung at chunglw@state.gov between Monday, January 11, 2010 (12:00am) and Sunday, January 17, 2010 (11:59pm deadline). Late submissions will NOT be accepted. Pompous Rhombus fucked around with this message at 04:34 on Jan 14, 2010 |
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After a little googling I don't think I'm going to apply for that Career Entry Program thing, I'm only semi-interested in the Foreign Affairs Specialist position and from what other people have written it sounds like you pretty much need a graduate degree for it. It'd be inconvenient to get a rush transcript and probably not worth flushing the $20 down the toilet just to say I tried. Barracuda Bang! posted:Anyone get any updates on that courier position from a while back? Nothing after the "You haven't been automatically rejected" e-mail at 1:30am a couple months ago 
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Vilerat posted:Regional security officers are DS agents. There are DS agents stationed at almost every post. There are a shitload more DS agents who are stationed in NYC, DC, and regional spots throughout the US who do VISA fraud and passport forgery work. Doesn't DS also do the security clearance investigations, for State at least?
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transient posted:Sorry, I've probably missed it, but what does TS/SCI stand for? I'm willing to admit to drug use as I can test clean at any time and it's been a long time for me for any type except for a brownie I was unaware of until too late a year or so ago. Top Secret/Special Compartmentalized Information. Top Secret is one type of clearance, TS/SCI is another, higher clearance. (edit: beaten) Secret doesn't seem really involved, I think Top Secret and above is where they start calling your references and spidering out through references your references give, etc. Lying is basically the worst thing you can do. Yours doesn't sound very serious, but it's not like I know your past or am a clearance investigator or anything. Broadly speaking, I know they've had to relax their standards about previous drug use because they were disqualifying too many candidates.
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CherryCola posted:Welp. Got rejected by the QEP. Back to ye ol' drawing board. That sucks, I thought you'd be a shoe-in with Urdu. I always see a shitload of government and contractor positions for Urdu speakers, if it's work experience that's sinking you you might try working one of those jobs for a year or two to boost your QEP score.
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CherryCola posted:Oh yeah? If you know of any please let me know! I'm open to just about anything at this point, and would love to be able to use my language skillzzzz Weird, only like 8 on USAJobs right now, but it seems like every analyst position I've seen is looking for Urdu/Dari/Pashto/etc speakers. If you don't have one already, create an account on USAJobs and check back frequently (you can also have it update you by e-mail if anything with "Urdu" pops up), may want to try the CIA or other agencies in the meantime.
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Business of Ferrets posted:Also, thank goodness we don't have the kind of drivel here you see in the FSWE Yahoo! group since the results came out; so many misunderstood special snowflakes, so many conspiracy theories. . . . If you think that is bad, check out any forum having to do with applying for the JET program. Pompous Rhombus fucked around with this message at 16:28 on Jan 30, 2010 |
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