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Defleshed
Nov 18, 2004

F is for... FREEDOM
How is the State Dept. with families? Would I be able to go from post to post with my wife & kids?

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Defleshed
Nov 18, 2004

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Vilerat posted:

Yes of course. They also offer spouse employment opportunities and they run some of the best private schools available.

I feel retarded for asking that since it is in the FAQ on the site that I neglected to read until after I posted.

Hmmm. I am also a vet and finishing up my last year of law school. I have always been pretty dead-set on JAG, but this also sounds like a very intriguing opportunity that I actually knew almost nothing about, despite having an acquaintance who does exactly this. I'll have to look further into this.

Defleshed
Nov 18, 2004

F is for... FREEDOM

Smeef posted:

Has anyone received scheduling information back yet? Considering how buggy the initial sign-up was, I'm wondering if it got hosed up.

I haven't heard jack about the FSOT... signed up about a month ago.

Defleshed
Nov 18, 2004

F is for... FREEDOM
Got my invitation to take the test, signed up for an Oct. 3 date.

Defleshed
Nov 18, 2004

F is for... FREEDOM

SWATJester posted:

poo poo I have heard nothing yet, no invitation. How did it arrive (email vs. snail)?

I got it via email. Check your spam folder/trash for any email from "fsot@act.org"

Defleshed
Nov 18, 2004

F is for... FREEDOM

SWATJester posted:

poo poo, nothing yet from ACT about dates or sitting for the test, is this bad?

I heard or read somewhere that they're staggering test seat invitations throughtout the month of September so I wouldn't panic just yet, but you could always give ACT a call and see what is up, right?

Defleshed
Nov 18, 2004

F is for... FREEDOM

Gravel Gravy posted:

Also, should I start cleaning up my Facebook account now? Have some photos in Russia and some of them are less than professional.

How about you (and everyone else in the drat world) just realize that Facebook is for you and your friends only and set everything to private so nobody can look at your poo poo without being your friend, or tag you in poo poo without your permission? It takes 5 minutes to do and I am absolutely baffled as to why people do not do it. I'm a professional, but I like to party and I like Facebook too. There's no reason to "clean up" your Facebook as long as it is set to highest privacy settings and your default photo isn't of you puking while riding backwards on a donkey.

I'm of the belief that work life and private life are separate worlds and what I do on my off time (provided it's not illegal or unsavory, and I'm not going around saying I represent my employer) is none of my employer's business. Unfortunately, potential employers don't seem to understand those boundaries and will try to get all up in your Facebook. You should do what you can to prevent it though.

I didn't mean this to be an angry diatribe but I hate how you have to pretend you're some sort of robot to get a job these days.

Defleshed fucked around with this message at 17:05 on Sep 10, 2009

Defleshed
Nov 18, 2004

F is for... FREEDOM

SWATJester posted:

Marine happy hours? Tell me more (I'm ex-Army, wouldn't mind drinking with Marines).

As a former Marine, I wouldn't mind drinking with Marines either!

Defleshed
Nov 18, 2004

F is for... FREEDOM
Took the FSOT this afternoon. Was easy as poo poo!

Defleshed
Nov 18, 2004

F is for... FREEDOM

xanthig posted:

Don't be fooled, it's sole purpose it to get rid of the bottom 50% of applicants. It's only as hard as it needs to be.

Yeah, I can see that. Especially looking around at the dumbfounded looking mouth-breathing "Joe College" types that were there.

Defleshed
Nov 18, 2004

F is for... FREEDOM

SWATJester posted:

Just took the FSOT today. Took me almost exactly 2 hours from when I arrived until I signed out to leave.

Test was a knowledge base section, a biographical questionnaire, a series of editing questions/grammar tests, and then an essay.

My thoughts:

The editing questions were ridiculously easy. Granted, I have dealt with editing almost every day of my life for the past 10 years, but if you speak English as your first language and have a professional enough grasp of grammar that you can write a memo or a 1 page report to your boss without typos and misplaced punctuation, you're going to ace it.

The biographical questionnaire - this threw me a bit. It was 77 questions I believe, something close to that. I had 40 minutes. I initially misread it as 40 questions, 77 minutes. About a third of the questions were two-parters, along the lines of "Have you ever worked a job that required extensive customer service? If you pick A, B, or C, be prepared to list up to 4 jobs and the kind of customer service you had". This list counted as a second question. However, it limited you to only 200 characters. That's barely enough to list the names, let alone go into any detail, and what is worse is that the program lets you type past 200 characters. I don't know if it cuts you off or whatever, but it's loving stupid.

Essay: You get unlimited space, 30 minutes to do it. I like to write and I type fast, so I drafted a pretty sick explanation of why laissez-faire capitalism should be predominant U.S. policy in regards to imposing social responsibility upon corporations. I finished with about 2 minutes to spare, but I probably overdid the amount of work involved in this one.

Knowledge base: The questions here were predominantly legal, which was great for me. There were a few questions on the constitution, quite a bit on voting rights, race equality etc. I'd advise testtakers who aren't strong on their law to read about the legal and legislative side of the civil rights movement (starting with the 13th amendment. Every practice test I've seen had a question about the 13th amendment, and this actual test had it too). Some history questions on topics like FDR's court packing scheme, one horribly ambiguous question on John Marshall that should be scrapped, a question about teddy roosevelt and the battle of san juan hill (what war was it in), and about 10-15 questions that were things like "If a co-worker requested feedback, would you (a) call him derogatory terms and make racially motivated comments, (b) ignore him and pretend you didn't hear, (c) provide neutral, unbiased response, using constructive criticism when necessary, or (d) tell him no." I finished the 60+ questions in this section in about 10 minutes or so. I think there were only about 3 that I didn't immediately know the answer (One on "convergent thinking", the poorly written John Marshall question, and maybe one more that I forget).

Overall, it was a lot easier than I thought. 3-5 weeks to hear back, then three weeks to file my personal narrative, than 9-12 weeks to hear if I passed QEP. So if all goes well, I guess I could do my Oral Assessment in maybe February.

This was pretty much my exact experience last weekend, although my knowledge base section was light on history (bad for me) and heavy on geography (also bad for me) although I am pretty sure I did just fine on it. What threw me were the several questions that seemed to be composed entirely of bullshit corporate motivational jargon-speak.

e.g.

If you are supervising an employee who has high normative values for motivation and low normative values for cohesive team member paradigm shifting, do you:

a.) think outside the box
b.) going forward, seek the motivational core of your teams shifting point
c.) Take a poo poo, smoke a joint
d.) give the guy a raise

Obviously I am exaggerating but when I read it I felt like not only did I have no loving clue whatthe answer was, but neither would anyone else so it was cool.

Defleshed
Nov 18, 2004

F is for... FREEDOM

Pompous Rhombus posted:

There are a few management books on the reading list of the study guide that I figured I should read up on, since I've only tangentially studied that sort of thing. I tried cracking one of them and ugh, I'll just wing it on that section. Common sense and a decent vocabulary can take you pretty far on a lot of those questions, I think.

You're correct. I know nothing of the things they were talking about, but you could pretty easily deduce the answer they were looking for if you are reasonably intelligent. I was remarking more on how inane and non-indictative of anything the questions seemed.

Defleshed
Nov 18, 2004

F is for... FREEDOM

Business of Ferrets posted:

Of course, I didn't take it, so I can't tell what is accurate and what is sarcasm, so will leave it up to the judgment of individual posters not to include anything that could give others undue advantage (questions are reused, so the NDA holds even after the test is administered).


I thought it was pretty obvious that my question was exaggerated in order to be funny (even if it was eerily on point...)

If government spooks have gotten to the level where they are hanging around SA to see if I violate the NDA, there's no way I'm getting in anyway because one of 'em surely saw me masturbating on the bus the other day.

Defleshed
Nov 18, 2004

F is for... FREEDOM

SWATJester posted:

It seemed really easy, like to the point of being tough to fail.

I agree, but I (and I believe you, too IIRC) approached it from the perspective of having taken countless exams in the preparation for and execution of law school. I could see it being a bit tougher if I hadn't been deeply entrenched in where commas belong for the past 4 years.

Defleshed
Nov 18, 2004

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Vilerat posted:

Slowly, quietly, the ranks of the United States diplomatic corps are being filled by goons.

Do you have stairs in your post?

Defleshed
Nov 18, 2004

F is for... FREEDOM
I seem to have failed as well. I was pretty much just taking it as a lark, but I'm more insulted/confused than anything else. The geography/political questions were straight out of eighth grade and there's no loving way I failed the essay portion. The only thing I can think of that put me under the bar were the retardedly nebulous "think of a time you helped someone who wasn't born in the US" style questions.

Oh well. Not the first time I have failed at something.

Defleshed
Nov 18, 2004

F is for... FREEDOM

Vilerat posted:

Well you can fax in to get your detailed results. I'm pretty sure I bombed the english grammar section.

Yeah there's no way that was my bad section either. I was 99th percentile in English on the GRE. I will fax in, but christ they don't get back to you for 6 weeks.

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Defleshed
Nov 18, 2004

F is for... FREEDOM

Business of Ferrets posted:

Congrats to the passers! Well done!

To those who didn't: seriously, tons of FSOs took the exam multiple times before getting hired.

Well like I said, I was really just taking it in order to have FS open as an option to me, not because I was banking on it as a carreer. I'm just dumbfounded as to how I could have possibly failed. Taking tests on poo poo is about the only thing I've ever been good at. I haven't felt like this since the last time I tried to play basketball.

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