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Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
http://beaugestemonami.blogspot.com/

Interesting read on the language program from a 2nd tour FSO in Rome.

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Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester

Happydayz posted:

it works out to be a substantive preference.

5.25 out of 7 passes the orals. Historically a 5.6 was needed to be competitive for political or economic, while with a 5.25 you stood a chance for consular.

I think points have trended lower of late, although I'm not sure. A 5 pt preference = .175 points, a 10 pt = .35

So even if you just squeek by with a 5.25, if you are a purple heart recipient or otherwise earned a 10 pt preference that bumps you way up to 5.55

Yeah but downside being if you have a 10 pt preference you're probably not going to clear medical.

Much <3 for my 5 pt pref. though. Actually if it weren't for the military my QEP answers wouldn't have been stellar.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester

Skandiaavity posted:

Barracuda Bang -

I am sure that within 2 months they have picked ideal candidates out, but doesn't federal law/EEO require them to look at all applicants? There's probably thousands of them, even for courier positions. Students or interns will sometimes apply to a job they don't really understand or have a chance at getting just because it's the State Department and it aligns with their major. so the people at HR, although they may have already chosen you, also have to sort through those applicants. And when it's done do they send out the batch of emails, as it's more efficient that way.

Federales also take their time. A typical federal agency, say Dept. of Justice - within 2-3 months you may get an mass-email stating you're eligible (or not) for the position, then another month or two, they'll send out a follow up mass-email saying whether you're chosen for the interview or not, then it'll be like another 3 months before the actual interview and maybe another month for the offer.

I'm not in State, so they may (probably) work differently but I would imagine a longer process since they probably receive a lot more job applicants than other agencies. Or maybe they don't, I don't really know.

The wait sucks, I know. but think of it as getting it makes getting the job all the more rewarding.

I believe it is an Exempted Service position, meaning no.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
Government jobs classify into one of two ways: Exempted Services and Competitive Services. Most entry level government positions (all the way down to things like Janitors) are competitive service -- the applicants have certain rights, and once job is granted, they can only be fired for certain reasons.

The long and short of it is, exempted services may set their own hiring and firing criteria.

There's more to it than that, but basically because of either the organization's needs or the job's description, it is not required to follow the hiring rules in Title 5. For instance, all attorney positions in the US Gov't are exempted service.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester

Business of Ferrets posted:

I think the terminology in Excepted Service, in case anyone is trying to google this.

Yeah you're right; though I think it may have once been called Exempted? I have seen it being used both ways.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester

Pompous Rhombus posted:

How does this fit in with non-competitive hiring status?

Also, I asked about it a while ago and didn't really get an answer, any tips/suggestions on job-hunting with it?

When you apply, they should tell you whether the job is Excepted or not, though most of the time you can tell anyway (is it a job requiring a graduate level education, involving placing you or your comrades in danger, etc.?)

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester

Pompous Rhombus posted:

That sucks, Vilerat.


I've got the same thing (not from Americorps) and I'm pretty sure it doesn't.

Edit: your experience will probably help you out with the Biographical section, at least :unsmith:


Edit 2:

What's the deal with only requiring a 2/2 in languages for FSO's, but most regular embassy positions I see advertised requiring something like a 4/4 for most jobs? Are foreign languages really not that big a deal in the working life of a Foreign Service Officer?

Also, is there a pay bonus for languages like in the military?

I think it's a 2/2 to get the bonus, but the positions are still mostly 3/3 (depending on language and position).

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
Also when is MLK weekend? Apparently that's when FSOA invites are supposed to go out?

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester

Pompous Rhombus posted:

Doesn't DS also do the security clearance investigations, for State at least?

IIRC that is OPM.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
Yay, passed my QEPs!


-e- PS that means if you were in the October FSOT cohort, your QEP results are online now.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
What's interesting is reading the yahoo groups: there is a guy who had PN answers very similar to mine (substantively, that is; the writing was worse) that did not pass. Apparently though, it's not just because of the PN, but the QEP evaluates both your PN as well as your biographical information from the written test.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester

Business of Ferrets posted:

Just wanted to remind everyone that lots of people go through the Foreign Service Generalist hiring process (to one extent or another) multiple times before receiving a job offer. So don't be too dismissive if the process didn't work out this time.

Also, thank goodness we don't have the kind of drivel here you see in the FSWE Yahoo! group since the results came out; so many misunderstood special snowflakes, so many conspiracy theories. . . .

Yeah holy poo poo....someone on the FSOA group said there is someone with a 6.2 on the POL register, and someone with a 6.2+0.4 language bonus about to go on it...

That sounds excessively high to me, or that someone who isn't on the register would have access to that information.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
Forgoon Service: We learned diplomacy by posting on an internets.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
Seriously at this rate we'll take it over.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
The FSOA list is rapidly becoming a helpful tool in exercising my self-control. Every so often there is a post on there that I want to reply to (snarky or otherwise) and sometimes I get to drafting the email before hitting discard. I'd rather not sabotage my application with the risk that some HR person is reading the list.

About the ONLY thing that it's been useful for, at least until I decide to find a study group.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
For those of you who have successfully navigated through the October 2009 FSOT Cohort: FSOA registration opened up today. You have until the 12th I believe. Get on it.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
Does it really matter which Annex I take my OA at? I signed up for Annex 1 because Foggy Bottom is easier for me to get to, but apparently Annex 1 doesn't let you leave the building for lunch (gently caress, I was going to grab a bite from somewhere OTHER than subway) and people on the yahoo group are saying that Annex 44 is slightly better.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
Does anyone know what is a reasonable passing score that would get me an offer in Political cone?

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
No, but I have the .17 veterans pref.

So presumably if I had something in the range of 5.6-5.7 plus the .17 veterans bonus I'd be good?

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester

Business of Ferrets posted:

So, is it just Miss Fats and Cunninghizzizam in this thread who will be taking the FSOT next Saturday? Anyone else?

Also, for SWATJester and anyone else getting ready for the FSOA, have you decided yet when and where to take it?

I'm taking my FSOA first week of April.

I wanted to beat the post-graduation rush of those people, and I'm away at conferences most of March.

But during the times that I'm here, I have very little to do other than study.

-e- Annex 1; Foggy Bottom is convenient to me.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
Yeah Annex 44 is in SouthWest DC, which is not too bad. It's East DC that is hood.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
If you have DC questions, holler at me.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester

Bizob posted:

Any recommendations for breakfast places in the SW side?

Hmm, not really, it's not much of a foodie area. Where are you staying, your best bet might be to just order from your hotel.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
I'm pretty sure that people pass/fail based solely on the bio portion of the FSOT. The rest of the test is pretty drat easy for someone with a solid college education with at least basic knowledge in civics and government.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester

Bizob posted:

Staying at this place http://www.thequincy.com/ on 1823 L Street Northwest. My wife is coming out thursday night and we are staying in DC for the weekend, so really any food related recommendations would be appreciated. Other than a few random day trips when I lived in NYC, my first hand knowledge of DC is limited to playing Fallout 3.

Oh dude, your hotel is in a pretty rad location. L st. is (obviously) 1 block north of K st. which is the big law/politics/business corridor; accordingly, all up and down K st. there are restaurants ranging from fast food to cafes, to nice dinners. You can easily find breakfast there.

You're also a block off of 19th st; if you take 19th st north a few blocks you'll be in the Dupont Circle area which has lots of good restaurants and nightlife.

I'd suggest you check out Kramerbooks; go up 19th to Dupont Circle (maybe 3 or 4 blocks) and then go about a block or two northwest on Connecticut Ave out of Dupont Circle. Kramerbooks will be on the right side. Get your breakfast and coffee, it's also a nice little relaxing joint. There's a metro station just outside if you're in a rush.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester

Bizob posted:

I am wiped out, but I somehow passed wth a 5.50 while only managing to pass one of the three sections. I must be some kind of idiot-savant when it comes to structured interviews. I am going to go consume some beverages.

Congrats man!

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
Not how it works. If you registered as Pol, you're not going to get an A-1000 offer in Mgt.

-e- What you can do is if you don't get in with a good score on the cone you want, you can reapply in a different cone from scratch (retake the FSOT, QEP, OA) and hope you pass. The two scores are treated separately as far as I understand. Though apparently there is some 365 day rule about it so it's not really a quick process.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
FSOT?

Know what major branches of the federal government do. (Which branch of the US Government has the power to enter into treaties with foreign governments)

Know what the major agencies within the federal government do, and who they report to. (Which federal agency has authority over unfair restraints of trade? What is the position of the leadership of the FCC called?)

Know a little bit about major legislation from the past 50 years. (Which of these bills did not pass?)

Know a little bit about trade (Which of these countries has the most foreign trade with the US?)

etc.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
Kramerbooks is one of those places that everyone in DC knows about, and everyone who bothers to look anything up knows about, but since so many tourists are retarded they don't know about it. So then they go to Old Ebbit's Grill.

Ironically, Kramerbooks kind of sucks as a bookstore. There's a WAY better one up in NW DC called Politics and Prose.

I seriously recommend that every person with an interest in working for State, either as an FSO or otherwise, go to Politics and Prose at some point. The sheer selection and breadth of authorship there is unbelievable, and pretty much every day they have author talks and discussions that are fantastic. Plus you get 20% off the book at is author's event.

http://www.politics-prose.com/

For instance, Friday they're having a Q+A with Mark Perry, author of Talking to Terrorists. "Perry, a military, intelligence, and foreign-affairs analyst, has spent some 20 years in and out of the Middle East, where he sometimes engaged in secret meetings with members of terrorist groups. His new book argues that face-to-face dialogue with representatives of organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah can define specific and addressable grievances."

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester

Xandu posted:

Thanks for the link, this is going to save me so much money in shipping; Borders sucks for poli-sci/IR books.

edit: Busboys and Poets also has pretty cool events.

Busboys and Poets is p cool too. The thing I really love about Politics and Prose though is the kind of customer it gets. It would suck if the Authors Events were attended by morons, but the audience there are genuinely well informed.

Also their bookshelves are studded with "Staff picks". The first book I ever got there was "Pop Apocalypse" . The staff gave it a glowing review so I picked it up and it is to date the best fiction book I've ever read.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
Actually the majority of the book isn't about that.

Basically the "subtle satire" part of the book involves the concept that social media has become so ingrained in the future of the country, that you eventually become able to trade your name on a sort of stock exchange. So things like celebrity sex tapes and reality TV actually literally become the world economy.

It's basically as awesome as you think it sounds, and then it gets better.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester

Happydayz posted:

Politics and Prose needs to not be way the gently caress up the redline. I'm sure that helps in keeping the audience free from know-it-all college kids and far left/right zanies, but Kramer's really takes the cake due to the sheer convenience factor of being right in Dupont Circle.

It's fine for me because I'm way the gently caress up on the red line near it.

But Kramers also has the benefit of getting drunk.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
After 10 years of college, the army, and law school I have no pre-existing skills other than shooting people and blowing poo poo up.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
According to the yahoo group they got confirmation that some guy passed on his 27th attempt....

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
Less than 2 weeks now till my OA. I haven't really had much time to start studying but now I'm in full on crisis "get ready" mode.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
Would anyone object to updating the OP with some sort of roster of FS goons and what they're up to?

Sort of like

FS Employees:

BoF: FSO stationed in ....
Vilerat: FSO stationed in ....

Awaiting A-100

Person whoever - Cleared on March 10, waiting on A-100 opening.

On Register

JoeBlow (POL) - 5.5
JoeSchmoe (CON) - 5.47

Awaiting FSOA

Blah blah - Annex 1, whenever (POL)

QEP:

Ladida - (MGMT) October '09 cohort.

FSOT - whatevs.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
OP updated with "who is at what stage of the process", also some minor other fixes to stuff.

-e- I am anal about updating OP's, so if you have poo poo you want in there, please just let me know.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
Stuff updated.

Grr8 posted:

I'm taking the orals next week too.

Wahoo!

Assuming Oct 2009 FSOT then.... what cone? Also, where are you taking it? I'm at Annex 1 on the 5th.


TCD posted:

Newbie specialist, Central Africa

What field?

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
OP updated.

TCD did you know that guy.

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Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
On the way to annex 1 wish me good luck

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