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TooMuchAbstraction posted:It is one lane each way, no shoulder. I found it on Google Maps:  No one is driving 40 MPH on that street. That is just a random street in a purely residential area of a small town Here's another one: 
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The goal is to make it undesirable for anyone to drive on the street, unless their destination is an address on that street. Everyone else can use larger throughfare roads.
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Apr 12, 2024 13:21
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Ahh, I see, thank you for the detailed explanation. That said, nielsm posted:The goal is to make it undesirable for anyone to drive on the street, unless their destination is an address on that street. Everyone else can use larger throughfare roads. one of the big issues around here is that the roads are super haphazard. There's a small number of stroads and 1 freeway, but everything else is a vast tangle of residential roads. I assume that central planning has basically shrugged and said "it'd cost billions to make a system that makes sense, so we aren't going to". Which in turn leads to people doing 40MPH on residential roads because they're the most direct route by far to their destination. If you slowed traffic down to 20MPH using traffic calming measures, you'd still have people using those roads, "undesirable" though they might be. Honestly, I'd rather they prioritized adding more shoulders/sidewalks, because nothing's walkable outside of your immediate residential neighborhood, and bicycling anywhere would be terrifying.
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Apr 12, 2024 13:33
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:Ahh, I see, thank you for the detailed explanation. However, that requires you to think about what speeds you want people to drive. Is the priority getting people from A to B as quickly as possible? Or is the emphasis on making the street safe for cars, bicycles, children playing on it? There are tons of different ways to achieve that goal. Some of them very easy and simple to implement, others requiring a lot more investment. The thing is that you need to recognize that some improvement, without being a perfect solution, is still better than the status quo. Perfect is the enemy pf good enough. Hell, Germany is still a very car centric society, it is quite far away from really being a good example - but still better than most of the US. You don’t need Dutch street design as a first step. Strong Towns is an American/Canadian NGO focussing on implementing those kinds of things. You might want to look into them if you are really interested in actively changing stuff in your town. DTurtle fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Apr 12, 2024 |
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Apr 12, 2024 18:48
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I feel like speedbumps are basically never added as the result of a good decision, and often they're added more for spite than anything else.
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SlothfulCobra posted:I feel like speedbumps are basically never added as the result of a good decision, and often they're added more for spite than anything else.
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