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Entropist
Dec 1, 2007
I'm very stupid.
That type of traffic calming is really common in my country both in residential areas and on minor suburban roads, especially with roads that were formerly through roads but needed to be slowed down. The idea is indeed that traffic is calmed by having to watch for and occasionally wait for opposing traffic. You can still tear through it if you try hard enough, but of course all the weaving required also is supposed to be a signal to calm down a bit. Sometimes there are multiple of them in sequence.

Example: https://goo.gl/maps/mA8DvX7PmjpbH5AX6

Or sometimes it's done by blocking one side of the road, in this case multiple times to force weaving: https://goo.gl/maps/WixfTcnnuoJVeByX8

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Entropist
Dec 1, 2007
I'm very stupid.

KozmoNaut posted:

Eh, it's no Copenhagen.
This has to be a troll. Copenhagen has terrible bike infrastructure, they just have a bigger marketing budget. They don't even have protected intersections in most places, a very basic thing!

KozmoNaut posted:

And the Netherlands aren't that great, they just have a couple of cities with solidly good bike infrastructure.

In the Netherlands the situation is also the opposite of what you say. Most places have great infrastructure as there are national guidelines that are consistently applied. Some larger cities are the exception and have shittier infrastructure such as Amsterdam, the Hague and Rotterdam, as they don't have space to make everything up to specs.

Have you ever been to any of the places you are talking about in the last 10 years?

Entropist fucked around with this message at 03:05 on Sep 24, 2023

Entropist
Dec 1, 2007
I'm very stupid.

SlothfulCobra posted:

I don't like the term "Cycle Super Highway" since
  • it's mostly not elevated
  • it's intended to have a fairly different use case than most highways
  • they're proposing constructing multiple pathways at the same time to create a broader network (as they should) instead of one at a time
  • the word super is just kinda floating out there as an extraneous extra superlative
But nice plan if Sydney can actually build it. It's also probably got good weather for people being outdoors year round as well.

It also makes people think you are supposed to bike fast there, which should not be the case.

Also, it would suck if it was elevated as that's more windy.

Entropist
Dec 1, 2007
I'm very stupid.

Bucky Fullminster posted:

There should be room to ride as fast as you like (on an acoustic bike at least). At least 2 big lanes, hopefully even 4 if there's room on some busier routes.
The point is that any implication of a norm of cycling fast will scare away casual cyclists, which should be the main target audience as that's most people.

That said, we also have cycle superhighways in the Netherlands so I shouldn't complain too much. Indeed those are between cities. Bicycle Dutch has a lot of coverage of them: https://bicycledutch.wordpress.com/tag/cycle-superhighways/

He also had some opinions on the word but I can't find them right now.

E: ah, perhaps I was thinking of the term fast cycling routes, that caused issues: https://bicycledutch.wordpress.com/2020/10/14/a-fast-cycle-route-under-development/

Entropist fucked around with this message at 13:31 on Mar 19, 2024

Entropist
Dec 1, 2007
I'm very stupid.
In the Netherlands there are no speed limits for cyclists, only for electric bikes and mopeds. It seems to work fine. I would not worry about speed limits in that scenario. It just needs to be safe enough for slow casual users e.g. by being wide enough.

In the Netherlands I've never heard of multi lane bike paths. They only make them wider as things get busier, so that you can easily have 3 people passing each other while people are also passing in the opposite direction.

Entropist
Dec 1, 2007
I'm very stupid.
In the Netherlands we have speed bumps everywhere, but of course they have to be used in combination with other measures to be effective. You can't just dump them into a wide stroad. For slowing down traffic, you mainly rely on other mechanisms such as narrowing the road, adding curves and putting things close to the edge of the road, and then speed bumps are placed at points where drivers have to pay extra attention, e.g. before a crosswalk, entering a residential area, turning on/off a side road or a tabled four-way intersection. Sometimes they are used in combination with a narrowing of the road, in areas where there are no intersections and such but traffic still needs to be slowed.
An example of that: https://maps.app.goo.gl/3g7TK5W2QznGy6ES9

https://maps.app.goo.gl/e647MBTs67BpY32W8
Typical example on an arterial urban road - on the speedbump there is a crosswalk and cycling intersection and it's before a traffic light for a crossing with a bus lane.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/h1d2jvFACQDbijMz8
One outside an urban area to indicate an intersection - of course these are more flat since speeds can be high here.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/4do8jVtuU3kkja447
Regular and fairly nasty speedbumps in a residential area, strategically placed before intersections. Of course this road is not for through traffic, there are parallel arterial roads on both sides where through traffic is supposed to drive and these bumps also discourage taking shortcuts.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/vCuWUAZ5aRMWRv4q8
When going from a minor to a major residential road, you normally cross these tables at the sidewalk level to slow you down and make you pay attention to traffic with priority.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/F5SYNpKtzastCSUc9
These are strategically placed at a train station where many people cross the road. They are very interesting because although they look nasty, they are fake and sink into the ground as you drive over them. So, out of towners slow down a lot for them but regulars just speed over them. Not sure why this choice was made, perhaps because a lot of buses pass here for which such bumps would be nasty if real.

Entropist fucked around with this message at 12:19 on May 10, 2024

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Entropist
Dec 1, 2007
I'm very stupid.

Discendo Vox posted:

Great examples, but you've got a duplicated link.

Oops, fixed.

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