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nyratk1
Jul 24, 2006

by Tiny Fistpump

CombineThresher posted:

Rey Mysterio can be added to this list. Pretty sure Tito Santana would have stunk as a heel, too.

Possibly Ricky Steamboat as well.

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nyratk1
Jul 24, 2006

by Tiny Fistpump

grody but still def posted:

it was "drano". (Powerade actually)

Dear god, that might actually be worse :ohdear:

nyratk1
Jul 24, 2006

by Tiny Fistpump

TL posted:

External occipital protuberance! :eng101:

Gorilla Monsoon: He hit him in the external protuberance area!
Bobby Heenan: Why do you always use words no one understands?
Gorilla Monsoon: It's fun. You should try it.
*jobber gets kicked in the stomach*
Bobby Heenan: He kicked him in the uterus!
Gorilla Monsoon: Would you stop it!

nyratk1
Jul 24, 2006

by Tiny Fistpump

Writer Cath posted:

Kayfabe wise, which Diva has the worst taste in men?

Maria is pretty bad: Carlito, Santino, Ziggler... all these dudes who treat her pretty badly.

Kelly Kelly isn't terrific either: Miz, Balls Mahoney, Knox...

Terri Runnels

nyratk1
Jul 24, 2006

by Tiny Fistpump

reality_groove posted:

Jamie Kellner was responsible not only for the demise of WCW but the cancellation of Animaniacs, Freakazoid, Pinky and the Brain and more. He is an evil evil man.

Jamie Kellner also helped The Simpsons, In Living Color and Married with Children succeed, though...:ohdear:

nyratk1
Jul 24, 2006

by Tiny Fistpump

Ziggy Tsardust posted:



Terry Rakolta account found

nyratk1
Jul 24, 2006

by Tiny Fistpump

grody but still def posted:

It was 100% shoot.

As evidenced by Dr. Death going down and having his WWE career flushed down the drain

nyratk1
Jul 24, 2006

by Tiny Fistpump

apsouthern posted:

I seem to remember from DiBiase's book that he started as a face (pre-WWE), but he was turned heel when he split from his tag partner at the time. Not sure about his WWE career though

He was a face in the WWF in 1979-80 and I think someone in the Hulk Hogan thread posted a heel Hogan vs. a face DiBiase match from that time period.

nyratk1
Jul 24, 2006

by Tiny Fistpump

apsouthern posted:

What about Mysterio? Was he ever heel? Or RVD for that matter?

Mysterio: 2000 in WCW with the Filthy Animals

RVD: Mr. Monday Night gimmick in 1996-7

nyratk1
Jul 24, 2006

by Tiny Fistpump

DM Punk posted:

Was Tito Santana ever a heel? I can't recall him ever working as a heel.

Was Warrior ever a heel? (except in real life)

nyratk1
Jul 24, 2006

by Tiny Fistpump

Thorias posted:

Ugh my mind is failing me pretty badly right now, and I've tried googling it but can't find it. Who was that terrible guest commentator from some early 90's PPV who kept asking how much everyone weighed, and all around knew nothing about wrestling and I think even kept getting wrestlers names wrong? I remember him particularly in what I think was a Razor Ramon/Mr.Perfect match.

Art Donovan?

nyratk1
Jul 24, 2006

by Tiny Fistpump

Jerusalem posted:

I honestly, genuinely enjoyed when Eric Bischoff would come out all exasparated on RAW and say,"What are you doing? What is this? You're boring me! You're BORING ME! I'm giving you exactly.... 3 Minutes :smug:.... to impress me."

Add the fact that they were stiff as hell at first and you have that 3MW owned.

nyratk1
Jul 24, 2006

by Tiny Fistpump

Twin Cinema posted:

During 1997 in the heated Canada vs. U.S. feud, there was that guy named the Patriot who wore an American Flag on his mask. But, I don't seem to remember him doing anything. Can someone tell me?
He didn't do much except be another American foil to Hart Foundation, had a title shot against Bret at Ground Zero and got injured soon after and was released.

quote:

Also, why did Brian Pillman join the Hart Foundation, other than he was a heel?
He had been in Stampede at the beginning of his career and had a common storyline hatred of Austin with Bret.

quote:

And, I remember when Goldust became the Artist Formerly Known As Goldust, and he just wore weirder costumes. I have heard the reasoning for this change was that Vince was trying to take a shot at the high art community, but I don't understand why that would be. Plus, what did the Artist do during this time period in terms of feuds.
The TAFKA Goldust poo poo was some Vince Russo poo poo (I think the storyline reason was that his breakup with Marlena made him more crazy) and there were really only the feuds with Vader and Mero. He also added Luna along the line for further annoyance.

nyratk1
Jul 24, 2006

by Tiny Fistpump

LividLiquid posted:

Skittlebrau reference in my wrestling questions thread. In response to Jerusalem no less.
A Mounds bar is not a wrestling question. A Twizzler is not a wrestling question. A Jolly Rancher is not a wrestling question, sir.

nyratk1
Jul 24, 2006

by Tiny Fistpump

Batmanuel posted:

They want you to buy the replays of the PPV.

And they still somewhat do the still image bullshit - but they've gotten smarter about it.

nyratk1
Jul 24, 2006

by Tiny Fistpump

Paul Revere 3000 posted:

drat, I want to see a Hulkacanrana (or Frankenhulkster).

Sorry, you're gonna have to settle for a hurriKanerana

nyratk1
Jul 24, 2006

by Tiny Fistpump

Judakel posted:

Cut to:

"CM Punk died in a car crash on his way to a show..." The tragedy of pro-wrestling.

And then CM Punk cuts a promo on Jesus saying that because his blood is wine, CM Punk is straight edge and better than Jesus and that Jesus' followers are weak minded for following some illicit substance user like him.

edit: This would probably draw so much heat that he's sent to hell and finally has that long-awaited match with Chris Benoit.

nyratk1 fucked around with this message at 03:07 on Sep 2, 2009

nyratk1
Jul 24, 2006

by Tiny Fistpump

Axissillian posted:

Remember, this was an actual 2004 Smackdown angle with John Cena

Jesus stabbed John Cena so he could film "The Marine"

it's all Jesus's fault

nyratk1
Jul 24, 2006

by Tiny Fistpump

grody but still def posted:

02-03.

Especially late 2002- early 2003 - the HHH/Kane, HHH/Steiner and HHH/Nash feuds were a thousand times more :gonk: than the never ending HHH/HBK/Cena/Orton and Legacy incest. At least the matches now aren't completely awful - hell, I actually loved the Summerslam DX/Legacy match.

Like now, it was Smackdown that provided the awesome with the SD Six (Angle, Benoit, Los Guerreros, Edge, Rey Mysterio). Smackdown's probably more stacked now - there's probably only one or two workrate disasters (Khali is the only one I can think of - and they're actually making him interesting as a face).

Smackdown has or has had since the draft:
Main eventers: Punk, Undertaker, Jeff Hardy (until he left), Edge (until he got injured)
Upper midcard: Morrison, Kane, Matt Hardy, Khali, Jericho, Rey, Dolph Ziggler
Lower midcard: Finlay, Cryme Tyme, Hart Dynasty, Mike Knox, R-Truth, Drew McIntyre
Jobbers: local talent plus Charlie Haas and Jesse

They've even had a decently paced and entertaining Teddy Long/Vince storyline. The only minus is probably the divas but they've at least managed to pair Maria and Eve with Ziggler and Cryme Tyme respectively and make both of them more interesting. The announcing is fine: JR's grizzled announcing veteran and Grish's enthusiasm gel well.

Raw is also pretty top heavy but there's no direction:
Main eventers: Orton, Batista (when he comes back), John Cena, HBK, HHH
Upper midcard: Dibiase/Rhodes, Mark Henry, MVP, Kofi, Big Show
Lower midcard (mostly interchangeable with upper midcard): Carlito, Masters, Bourne, Swagger, Miz
Jobbers/comedy acts: Santino, Primo, Hornswoggle, Chavo

The divas are the divas. There's no Trish or Lita figure that's saving the division right now.

There's no excuse why Raw can't be as cleanly written as Smackdown. The guest host gimmick is a good one and is probably the only thing that's saved Raw from being a complete atrocity. The best hosts either furthered a storyline (Dusty, Dibiase, Batista) or had so much charisma and/or enthusiasm that it rubbed off on others (Bob Barker, Freddie Prince, Seth Green and especially Shaq - Shaq would be a perfect fit in the world of pro wrestling). The announcing is the worst in the WWE - shut the gently caress up for Cole and Lawler needs to be a heel commentator or retire/

As for ECW, I kinda like the dynamic there, there's Christian, Dreamer and then everyone else is at roughly equal footing except for the feud of the moment (like Regal/Zeke/Kozlov now). Christian is probably one of the only everyman wrestlers in the WWE right now - he can do comedy, serious, he can wrestle different styles - only rivaled by Jericho - and he can do it all great. Striker and Josh Matthews have a buddy-buddy relationship and Matt Striker's wrestling logic and knowledge plus his pop culture references are definitely a plus.

The signings of Danielson and Nigel are promising - I think Nigel ends up on the SD midcard and assume a Knox/Finlay role and Bryan Danielson gets a rocket strapped to his rear end on ECW and makes his mark quickly (a la Bourne/Punk/Swagger).

nyratk1 fucked around with this message at 13:19 on Sep 10, 2009

nyratk1
Jul 24, 2006

by Tiny Fistpump

projecthalaxy posted:

They're 8 bux at Best Buy.

There's only 6 out of the 20 episodes out on DVD :smith:

nyratk1
Jul 24, 2006

by Tiny Fistpump

Kerck Pnameless posted:

Orton and Triple H are like Cole and Lawler. They can be good when working with others but put them together and they become abysmal.

I dunno, their encounters before this year usually were better - No Mercy 07 and kinda Judgment Day 08. But even then, both of them had better matchups with other wrestlers.

nyratk1
Jul 24, 2006

by Tiny Fistpump

TL posted:

It was essentially Triple H's attempt at reforming the Horsemen. They were booed. They got heat. Not the massive, Horseman like heat they were going for. Actually, HHH was supposed to be the "Ric Flair" of the group, but IIRC, Randy Orton got the most heat.

They weren't really "smarky", Triple H tends to do that poo poo more as a face.

He did compare a malfunctioning mic to Goldberg saying they both don't work correctly.

nyratk1
Jul 24, 2006

by Tiny Fistpump

PitifulLoser posted:

Another Evolution question:
Where were Batista and Randy Orton on the card upon joining Evolution? More specifically, if you had to compare them to a current wwe wrestler, who is closest to their fame/prestige/respect/pop?
Randy Orton at that time? Probably close to Cody Rhodes when he turned heel on Bobcore Holly.

quote:

I know Batista was doing some nonsense as Deacon Bautista over on Smackdown and flipped over to Raw and got with Flair. Would he be like Ezekiel Jackson level? A big guy who you know can beat people up but not in any decent enough feuds for him to really show what he can do?
Yeah, that's a perfect comparison.

nyratk1
Jul 24, 2006

by Tiny Fistpump

Over-Sold posted:

Someone posted this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-l-oeDEPIk&NR=1 in another thread and it drummed up a couple questions of mine.

1) When was the last time WWE had an anti-American type heel? Was it Hassan/The Un-Americans, or was there someone more recent? I know sometimes a wrestler will get cheap heat by insulting whatever town they're in, and I know Regal recently made some crack about the US, but that's not what I'm talking about, I'm talking about it being an actual gimmick.

Kozlov?

quote:

2) I remember hearing Hassan got actual death threats and it made me think of other stories of classic heels being harrassed by crazed marks. Does this still happen? When was the last instance?

Chris Jericho last year.

quote:

3) Is it true Daivari actually spoke Persian?
Yes, he spoke fluent Farsi.

nyratk1
Jul 24, 2006

by Tiny Fistpump

Over-Sold posted:

See, I thought it might be him, but I don't really remember him being so much anti-American as much as pro-Russian, and I'm not going to hold a little bit of national pride against a guy (which I guess makes me a bad mark).

I think he was more anti-American on Smackdown.

Also, in some indy fed, Kofi had an anti-American gimmick. It was really weird seeing him heel it up.

quote:

Huh, I wouldn't've thought Jericho of all people. I mean, I know he's a good heel, but what exactly did he do that pissed someone off so much? Was it that incident where his car got rushed or something and he hit a woman?

Yeah.

quote:

Does anyone remember a promo of his, probably when he was starting out, when he was getting heavy heat and, of course, the crowd started chanting U.S.A. and he just sort of looked at them :smug:ly and said something along the lines of "I'm an American, idiots"? I might have made that up, actually, but I could swear something like that happened...
I think I remember that.

nyratk1 fucked around with this message at 07:00 on Sep 17, 2009

nyratk1
Jul 24, 2006

by Tiny Fistpump

Skinty McEdger posted:

Cena got stabbed in a nightclub by Carlitos bodyguard. Cena recovered.

Cena was stabbed by Jesus. :v:

nyratk1
Jul 24, 2006

by Tiny Fistpump

Magic_Ceiling_Fan posted:

Didn't WCW also throw wads of cash at the Maestro because he owned the rights to the "Gorgeous George" name, and Macho Man's pornstar girlfriend wanted to use the name "Gorgeous George?"

Apparently Randy Savage originally wanted to get the "Gorgeous George" gimmick for his brother. That would have been amazing.

nyratk1
Jul 24, 2006

by Tiny Fistpump

Dragging Iron Feet posted:

WCW paid Lanny Poffo something like $250000 a year and didn't use him once. Best job ever.

Lanny Poffo truly is a genius. :smug:

nyratk1
Jul 24, 2006

by Tiny Fistpump

Jerusalem posted:

The entire thing (Mr. America) was a joke and was NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER meant to be taken seriously. From the very first second of the gimmick every single person in the world was in on the joke and everyone was expected to go along with it for just the sheer fun of it all.

I loved the entire storyline and was sad that it just got cut off for reasons I was never entirely sure of (although I presume it incorporates Vince and Hogan having another falling out).

I liked it too - it beat Hulk's usual shtick.

nyratk1
Jul 24, 2006

by Tiny Fistpump

reality_groove posted:

I can't remember the exact reason he gave for the swerve but he immediately became the shining light of the Alliance and the whole faction revolved around him.
He turned on the WWF because he felt he was being ignored as Vince groomed Kurt Angle.

nyratk1
Jul 24, 2006

by Tiny Fistpump

Captain Misc. posted:

*GONG*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D_2__ULQak

nyratk1
Jul 24, 2006

by Tiny Fistpump

grody but still def posted:

The TV was new and wonderous in the late 70s and 80s?

So was indoor plumbing in the Deep South. :v:

nyratk1
Jul 24, 2006

by Tiny Fistpump

projecthalaxy posted:

Has the Undertaker been on RAW for any significant length of time since the brand split?

At the beginning of the brand split for a few months - he's been solidly Smackdown since.

nyratk1
Jul 24, 2006

by Tiny Fistpump

The Croc posted:

it was edge who cut the promo he promised he wasn't going to Billy Gunn his KOTR and he didn't :smug:

Billy Bitchcakes.

(Some of the best verbal beatdowns of a wrestler were at Billy Gunn's expense: not just Edge's "I won't Billy Gunn the title" but Rock's first "IT DOESN'T MATTER" promo)

nyratk1
Jul 24, 2006

by Tiny Fistpump

ultimateforce posted:

Ok this might be FILES but I am willing to risk it. Does anyone have this episode of Smackdown? I know, it's a bit of a stretch.

http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/results/smackdown/030612.html

I was in the 3rd row for this taping and I want to see my handsome face on video again.

quote:

# MATCH: John Cena vs Funaki..

* John Cena cuts his usual anti-'insert local city' rap promo also cutting down Funaki..
* Funaki gets on the mic and does his own little rap, then does the robot dance, then gets killed...

I don't remember the robot dance...:smith:

nyratk1
Jul 24, 2006

by Tiny Fistpump

Professor Icepick posted:

http://books.google.com/books?id=uf...ay%20ad&f=false

Shows up for me.

International version...that's why it didn't show up.

nyratk1
Jul 24, 2006

by Tiny Fistpump

MassRayPer posted:

Especially involving a 10 year old ad that was printed in a periodical most Attitude era fans weren't reading in a time period where far less people had scanners or digital cameras and the IWC was MUCH smaller than it is today.

And it was in an international version of said periodical.

nyratk1
Jul 24, 2006

by Tiny Fistpump

Meat Recital posted:

Mark Henry is a sexual deviant.

e: And deadbeat dad. He didn't bring that hand to work with him once!

That hand was too busy hanging out at the top of the stage on Smackdown.

nyratk1
Jul 24, 2006

by Tiny Fistpump

Jagtpanther posted:

How do you guys organise your video/disc collections? By year? Event? Wrestler? Promotion?

So far I've been going by Promotion/Event for WWE/ECW/WCW and Promotion/Date for ROH/Chikara/etc. - but I think I might switch to a flat Date organisation for easier cross-referencing particularly in the 90's. It seems counterinuitive but aside from a few technical masterpieces I think that the context is just as important as the actual match/event. It would make searching for a particular event slightly more difficult though - Was Wrestlemania VII in 1992 or 1991? - that kind of thing.

This is by definition a very petty question, but this is the thread for questions that don't deserve their own thread.

I organize the documentaries alphabetically and by promotion (although I only really have WWE stuff in any large quantity) and the PPV/events chronologically.

I have a poo poo load of them though, so it's split between three bookcases. One has TNA/ROH/misc stuff with my TV/movie stuff, one has WWE compilations/documentaries and 2007-present PPVs and one has the rest (Divas' DVDs, UK PPVs, 1999-2006 PPVs, Attitude Collection, all the different
oversized store exclusive DVDs, and the Rumble/WM/SSlam/soon to be Survivor Series Anthologies)

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nyratk1
Jul 24, 2006

by Tiny Fistpump

CombineThresher posted:

And that is why you never hear anything bad about the Undertaker.

The moral of the story is Undertaker is awesome and anybody would listen to him.

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