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Zack_Gochuck
Jan 4, 2007

Stupid Wrestling People
Scott Stiner supposedly said that the WWE wanted to give him a drug test when he was there around 2003-2004ish. He said he'd gladly take a drug test if Triple H took one with him.

The issue was dropped.

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Zack_Gochuck
Jan 4, 2007

Stupid Wrestling People
I think the timeline is something like this:

-Fall 1999 Triple H gives steph date rape drugs and marries her
-Fall 1999 Steph hate Triple H
-Armageddon 1999, Steph Turns on Vince and Mcmahon/Helmsly era takes place in early 2000
-Fall 2000ish some sort of love triangle between HHH, Kurt Angle, and Steph
-Late 2000/early 2001 They're both around but not really in a program together
-Spring 2001 Triple H blows quad
-Spring 2001 Steph is the owner of ECW, is fired by Vince at the conclusion of the storyline.
-January 2002 Triple H returns, Steph kayfabe uses the fact that he's her husband to get back on tv. She acts like a bitch, explains that it's because she's pregnet, Trips agrees to renew wedding vows, she revieals she's not pregnet. They decide to get divorced which results in a long drawn out fued leading up to wrestlemaina that fucks up Jericho's title run.
-Triple H wins some match that gets Steph banned from the WWE.

After that it seems like they're a happy husband a wife again. No explaintion was given for what happened to their kayfabe divorce as far as I know.

Zack_Gochuck fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Aug 7, 2009

Zack_Gochuck
Jan 4, 2007

Stupid Wrestling People
Maybe he avoids getting injured by falling slowly.

Zack_Gochuck
Jan 4, 2007

Stupid Wrestling People
I'm pretty sure that Ultimate Warrior was never a heel. At least under the Ultimate Warrior name.

Were Honky Tonk Man or Ted Debiase ever faces in the WWE?

Zack_Gochuck fucked around with this message at 13:19 on Aug 20, 2009

Zack_Gochuck
Jan 4, 2007

Stupid Wrestling People
It basically sounds like Sunday Night Heat/Velocity.

Zack_Gochuck
Jan 4, 2007

Stupid Wrestling People
I'm not sure when it was dropped, but it is indeed true. He would ramble about reclaiming his birthright and whatnot in his promos against Hogan.

I believe Bash at the Beach 1996 in particular had one these promos, but I don't think it lasted very far into the nWo era.

Zack_Gochuck
Jan 4, 2007

Stupid Wrestling People
So... do you want us to answer that question?

Zack_Gochuck
Jan 4, 2007

Stupid Wrestling People
"Look out! He's got a gun!"
*Fires net*

Zack_Gochuck
Jan 4, 2007

Stupid Wrestling People

sportsgenius86 posted:

Undertaker could leave, join Oprah's book club, be the sidekick to Carson Daly on Last Call and marry Rachael Ray and he'd STILL be welcomed back with open arms.


Based on backstage accounts and all, is there anyone more universally loved in the business than Mark Calloway?

Does anybody hate the guy?


Did anyone backstage hate Sting in the WCW days? I always thought of him as WCWs Undertaker. He was with them through thick and thin, and all kinds of bullshit.

Zack_Gochuck
Jan 4, 2007

Stupid Wrestling People

Minges posted:

Ok, I'll bite. I was a little Stinger growing up and I still want an example for every year after 1995. I don't buy it.

Even though the payoff sucked, the buildup to Starcade 1997 was amazing at the time, and was one of the few times in the modern era that a feud was given a proper amount of time to build to the boiling point. He deserves props for 1996/1997 alone for that build up, because it was all about the Stinger.

Zack_Gochuck
Jan 4, 2007

Stupid Wrestling People

LividLiquid posted:


I've never heard of this, but it doesn't make much sense. When was the last time Bischoff cared how much money he spent on top talent? And Sting only wrestled one match that whole year.


On that note, I have another question about Sting. Did he wrestle at house shows during 1997?

Zack_Gochuck
Jan 4, 2007

Stupid Wrestling People

quote:

"WCW.com ran a contest involving Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair. I'm actually not sure what the contest was for. Anyway, we got numerous reports from people who said that if you vote for Flair, the total number for Hogan automatically increases by five."

I totally remember the promo that this led up to. It involved Flair knee dropping a copy of WCW magazine.

Zack_Gochuck
Jan 4, 2007

Stupid Wrestling People
How often throughout the history of wrestling has there been a good feud for the title that wasn't about the title itself?

Zack_Gochuck
Jan 4, 2007

Stupid Wrestling People

Wazzu posted:

Well, there are plenty of good feuds that involve a title, you're asking whether there is a good title based feud that isn't title based.

examples: hbk vs jericho from last year, stone cold steve austin vs mr. mcmahon, triple h vs batista

Well, yeah, if you want to use ones that don't support my post as examples.

Zack_Gochuck
Jan 4, 2007

Stupid Wrestling People
All the copies of the Rise and Fall of WCW were rented out, so I rented the Starrcade DVD instead. It started off strong, with these detailed accounts of the 1980s Starrcades, then they just kind of glossed over the 90s and 2000/01. I was pretty disappointed, to be honest.

Does anyone think there's any chance of the WWE releasing a complete Starrcade collection like they did with some of the WWE Pay Per Views?

Zack_Gochuck
Jan 4, 2007

Stupid Wrestling People

grody but still def posted:

.0587%

This is what I assumed too. Oh well, a man can dream.

Zack_Gochuck
Jan 4, 2007

Stupid Wrestling People
Specifically, the 1993 King of the Ring has a good example of the metal elbow gimmick.

One of his strong punches in WWF wrestlemania the arcade game actually consisted of his elbow turning into a steel beam.


Zack_Gochuck fucked around with this message at 13:06 on Sep 3, 2009

Zack_Gochuck
Jan 4, 2007

Stupid Wrestling People
Psychosis is from Mexico, and his mask had horns.

Zack_Gochuck
Jan 4, 2007

Stupid Wrestling People
Who not betta than Kanyon?

Zack_Gochuck
Jan 4, 2007

Stupid Wrestling People
Positively Kanyon was the best gimmick in Y2K WCW.

Zack_Gochuck
Jan 4, 2007

Stupid Wrestling People

KungFu Grip posted:

The Dudleys got pissed once they found out they didn't own those names. Then they went and shitted all over the WWE any chance they got.

This has probably been discussed before, but how did this work, exactly? When they jumped from ECW to WWF the first time around the used the Dudley name, indicating that it wasn't copyrighted by ECW, it certianally wouldn't have been copyrighted by the WWF at that time either. How could the WWF magically get the rights to the name after they bought ECW? Furthermore, isn't that kind of admitting that they comitted copyright infringement against ECW from 1999 to early 2001?

Zack_Gochuck
Jan 4, 2007

Stupid Wrestling People

LividLiquid posted:

I don't think you understand how copyright works or the difference between it and trademark.

The only reason they got away with using the gimmick in the WWF before the buyout was that Paul just didn't care. If you come up with a gimmick in any fed, it's their intellectual property.

Yeah, I guess Paul saw the guys getting a decent push when they first arrived on the WWF scene and didn't want to gently caress it up for them.

Zack_Gochuck
Jan 4, 2007

Stupid Wrestling People

Hudson posted:

And it's such a retarded angle too. What makes it worse than any other finishing move? If I had a choice of taking a finishing move, I would rather be power bombed on my back than have say Macho Man plant his elbow into the center of my chest from the top rope.

Flair actually outlawed the top rope elbow in 1999 after he had won control of WCW, and got out of a mental institution, because Macho Man sent Charles Robinson to the hospital (Kayfabe) with it.

Zack_Gochuck
Jan 4, 2007

Stupid Wrestling People
Oh no. You did not just call the Rock, Austin, Benoit, and Angle bad workers. They were all light-years ahead of hogan.

Guys like Kevin Nash, and Lex Lugar are more like Hogan with regards to in ring work.

Zack_Gochuck
Jan 4, 2007

Stupid Wrestling People
I think it has more to do with the decline of tag team wrestling in the WWE than anything.

Zack_Gochuck
Jan 4, 2007

Stupid Wrestling People

Axissillian posted:

They tried to fight legally but they couldn't because they didn't own the name. ECW did and WWE acquired the intellectual property when they bought ECW.

you have to remember, The Dudleys were not originally Bubba and D-Von. Bubba and D-Von were given the names after the "Dudley's" were established. ECW had the trademark, and gave them the gimmicks. They never owned the property, the company did and it went to WWE

I know that this was gone over earlier in the thread, but what about the period of time that the Dudley's were in the WWF wile ECW was still open? I was going to post what someone told me earlier, but I forget.

Zack_Gochuck
Jan 4, 2007

Stupid Wrestling People

Moose Bigelow posted:

This being WCW they spent hundreds of thousands on getting James Brown to show up and then didn't bother promoting that he would show up because nobody thought that he would.

Didn't WCW also throw wads of cash at the Maestro because he owned the rights to the "Gorgeous George" name, and Macho Man's pornstar girlfriend wanted to use the name "Gorgeous George?"

Zack_Gochuck fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Oct 2, 2009

Zack_Gochuck
Jan 4, 2007

Stupid Wrestling People

projecthalaxy posted:

So who do you guys think hAs the best interference music? For me it is a tie between Austin and Big Show. Maybe it is because they have such striking, distictive beginnings, but those two have always been the best for me at:

Wrestler: :words:
*glass breaks* or WWWEEEEEEELLLLLL
Wrestler: aaaaaaaaaahhhhh!

Goldberg's was pretty good for this too, with the big crash at the beginning and all.

Zack_Gochuck
Jan 4, 2007

Stupid Wrestling People
I think that The Undertaker can still draw. A lot of people are content just to see The Undertaker.

Zack_Gochuck
Jan 4, 2007

Stupid Wrestling People
Honestly, I don't think that WCW become unredeemably terrible until 1999. There were snafus, sure, but it was still generally worth watching in 1998/early 99.

Zack_Gochuck
Jan 4, 2007

Stupid Wrestling People
He had a whole thing with Tommy Dreamer where he make him drink gross tobacco spit. It wasn't a match, so I'm not sure if it counts.

Zack_Gochuck
Jan 4, 2007

Stupid Wrestling People
I've heard it called a "Somersault Neck Breaker" a couple of thime when Shane Douglas did it in WCW.

Zack_Gochuck
Jan 4, 2007

Stupid Wrestling People

Pneub posted:

Who's HBK burying?

To be fair, DX kind of buried legacy.

Zack_Gochuck
Jan 4, 2007

Stupid Wrestling People
I was in the bleachers at One Night Stand 2006. We were so close to the entrance ramp, that my friend touched Sandman. He had to get a shot.

Zack_Gochuck
Jan 4, 2007

Stupid Wrestling People

Captain Charisma posted:

ECW was never going to succeed but it's amazing how they pretty much set it up to fail immediately.

I don't know if you're being facetious or not, but in all seriousness, I did read rumors on the internet that the WWE was purposely booking crappy ECW shows in the beginning to justify switching it to the more traditional WWE style it uses now.

Zack_Gochuck
Jan 4, 2007

Stupid Wrestling People
It would have to be. Think of how much weight and impact takes place in a WWE ring on a regular basis.

Zack_Gochuck
Jan 4, 2007

Stupid Wrestling People

AKA Driver posted:

Is there a specific reason the WWE is doubling up Smackdown vs. Raw 2010 as a PPV sponsor? Do you think it's worrisome that zero sponsors stepped up to get a product into this PPV, despite it being directly before Christmas, to the point where the WWE just said "gently caress it, we'll publicize our own game. Again."

For comparison sake, here's the PPV sponsorships for '09 and '08:

2009:
Royal Rumble - None
No Way Out - None
Wrestlemania 25 - The National Guard
Backlash - None
Judgement Day - None
Extreme Rules- AT&T
The Bash - Gillette Fusion
Night of Champions - None
Summerslam - Slim Jim and 7-11
Breaking Point - Batman: Arkham Asylum
Hell in a Cell- TMNT: Smash-Up
Bragging Rights - Smackdown vs. Raw 2010
Survivor Series - None
TLC - Smackdown vs. Raw 2010

2008:
RR- None
No Way Out - None
Wrestlemania 24 - None
Backlash - None
Judgement Day - Rambo DVD release
One Night Stand - None
Night of Champions - None
The Great American Bash - AT&T
Summerslam - Street Kings
Unforgiven - None
No Mercy - None
Cyber Sunday - None
Survivor Series - Smackdown vs. Raw 2009
Armageddon - Prince of Persia

According to that list they've had more sponsors throughout the course of 2009 than 2008, they just used Smackdown vs. Raw an extra time.. What are you even talking about?

Zack_Gochuck
Jan 4, 2007

Stupid Wrestling People
When you guys talk about the Bret Hart turnbuckle bump, do you mean when he goes for the bulldog, and his opponent reverses it by throwing him sternum first into the corner? I would find it hard to believe that no one did that until Bret started wrestling.

Zack_Gochuck
Jan 4, 2007

Stupid Wrestling People

Chilly McFreeze posted:

That's just because he was too weak to pick them up without them running at him!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZI1AWrSTzE&feature=related

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Zack_Gochuck
Jan 4, 2007

Stupid Wrestling People

DannoMack posted:

Can somebody tell me why Shane left his family's company?

While there's been nothing official, I'm pretty sure it's because Steph and Trips are heirs apparent to run WWE, and Shane was going to be put in charge of media relations or some poo poo.

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