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Umbra Dubium
Nov 23, 2007

The British Empire was built on cups of tea, and if you think I'm going into battle without one, you're sorely mistaken!



Jerusalem posted:

Except it's the equivalent of an officer manager getting a phone-call from head office saying,"We need to send in an accountant to audit your department's books, there are some troubling things in your latest profit report we want to investigate further," and the manager replies,"Heh.... sure thing, you can do that...... so long as you audit the Executive Vice President at the same time! :smug:"

If that Executive Vice President turned up for work every morning driving a Ferrari, wearing a huge fur coat and trailing dusty white bank notes down the corridor, yeah.

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Umbra Dubium
Nov 23, 2007

The British Empire was built on cups of tea, and if you think I'm going into battle without one, you're sorely mistaken!



Jerusalem posted:

Get me mah other gun, boy. Ah sure hope Ah don't have tah reload...... nobody tell me about anything else they done hosed up.

I hear they've edited it so that Hogan wins WrestleMania VI this time.

Umbra Dubium
Nov 23, 2007

The British Empire was built on cups of tea, and if you think I'm going into battle without one, you're sorely mistaken!



Semiru posted:

I have a question - why does Shawn Michaels wear chaps? Is it a legacy of his original "sexy boy" gimmick? Is it his trademark?

It strikes me as strange that in an industry where tights are the norm and baggy pants are a rarity (I assume due to mobility, body parts not getting caught, etc) that Michaels would not only wear the pants, but essentially two pairs since the chaps are over another pair?

Notable exception: the Hardyz wear baggy pants, but they're hardly known for their mat-wrestling technique.

Michaels has to wrestle with knee braces now. I think the chaps are there to hide them.

Umbra Dubium
Nov 23, 2007

The British Empire was built on cups of tea, and if you think I'm going into battle without one, you're sorely mistaken!



Just before the WWE took away the referees names, there was a very vague hint that Scott Armstrong might have had Legacy sympathies, what with him also being second generation.

It didn't amount to anything more than one match having a screwy ending and nothing more ever came of it.

Umbra Dubium
Nov 23, 2007

The British Empire was built on cups of tea, and if you think I'm going into battle without one, you're sorely mistaken!



Acute Hepatitis posted:

is there really a voting process for it?

Other Halls of Fame have (occasionally fishy) voting processes.

I think this one has whoever is on good terms with Vince.

As for worthiness, they seem to like having each class consist of one big name induction, a couple of jobbers, one posthumous guilt and maybe a celebrity with a tenuous connection to the industry.

Umbra Dubium
Nov 23, 2007

The British Empire was built on cups of tea, and if you think I'm going into battle without one, you're sorely mistaken!



joshtothemaxx posted:

When I go back and watch WCW I notice how loving tight the ropes are when compared to the WWE/F. What is the reason for this?

Fake edit: The one wrestling school I went to was run by Jimmy Valiant and the ropes there were tight as gently caress too. But I got no explanation about it.

As far as I understand it heavyweight wrestlers who use a mat-based style like the ropes loose so that they don't hurt after lots of Irish whipping, while cruiserweights/luchadors who wrestle a more high-flying style prefer tight ropes they can safely springboard off.

Umbra Dubium
Nov 23, 2007

The British Empire was built on cups of tea, and if you think I'm going into battle without one, you're sorely mistaken!



Over-Sold posted:

3) Years ago, like, a lot of them, I watched an I Quit match where the rules stated that whoever said "I quit" wasn't only quitting the match, but also his job. Then Foley and The Rock had their I Quit match and I can't remember if there was any sort of career stipulation related to the match, but then since Foley didn't really quit I suppose you could say it doesn't matter. The Hardy match is the only one I've seen since and they never once mentioned one of their jobs being on the line, and clearly, neither career was. So, I'm wondering if that first match I saw had an added stipulation, if Foley/Rock did have a career on the line that was just forgetten due to how the match went down, or if they've just decided to remove that aspect of an I Quit match in general, like how they changed Cage matches.

You're not alone in thinking "I Quit" matches were a Loser Leaves Town variant, I'd like to know the answer to this one, too.

Umbra Dubium
Nov 23, 2007

The British Empire was built on cups of tea, and if you think I'm going into battle without one, you're sorely mistaken!



bradzilla posted:

I'm all about rope color too, and I think for PPV they should be using something besides red and blue all the time. Summerslam is the only PPV I can recall this year other than red or blue ropes for PPV. Even Wrestlemania had standard Smackdown blue ropes. HiaC would be acceptable to have red ropes, since someone should bleed in those matches.

Judgement Day had white ropes too. I think they look better than the red or blue ones, but I'm glad they stopped using black ropes, they just look dingy.

Umbra Dubium
Nov 23, 2007

The British Empire was built on cups of tea, and if you think I'm going into battle without one, you're sorely mistaken!



Over-Sold posted:

I noticed Jericho's recent change, with "I'm not gonna fight you either!" to Shaq and his willingness to take on Bob Barker. I guess this is them starting to maybe turn him face/comedy heel again, or at least planting some seeds for when he and Show finally break up.

Well, Shaq is 7' tall and Bob Barker is 85, so I can see why a guy would be willing to fight one and not the other...

Umbra Dubium
Nov 23, 2007

The British Empire was built on cups of tea, and if you think I'm going into battle without one, you're sorely mistaken!



Pneub posted:

I was pretty much meant as a joke after a point, they didn't really try to hide who it was.

Didn't he cut a promo on Vince along the lines of "I'm not Hulk Hogan, brother, but let me tell you something, brother, whatchoo gonna do when... uh... Americamania runs wild on you, brother!"?

Umbra Dubium
Nov 23, 2007

The British Empire was built on cups of tea, and if you think I'm going into battle without one, you're sorely mistaken!




I hadn't seen the lie detector one before.

It's definitely a rip off of The Simpsons version. It's a pity they didn't have Vince say "Get this off me, I don't deserve this!", *BUZZ*

Umbra Dubium
Nov 23, 2007

The British Empire was built on cups of tea, and if you think I'm going into battle without one, you're sorely mistaken!



Karmine posted:

OK I feel like there was a wrestler who used The Final Countdown as his entrance theme at some point but who was it?

Really?

Bryan Danielson.

Umbra Dubium
Nov 23, 2007

The British Empire was built on cups of tea, and if you think I'm going into battle without one, you're sorely mistaken!



Karmine posted:

:doh:

I wish he could keep it when he eventually arrives in the WWE, because while that video is awesome, a crowd ten times bigger singing along would be magical.

Who knows, maybe Jim Johnston can work his wizardry and come up with something along the lines of Sunglasses At Night = Oh Radio, Tell Me Everything You Know.

Umbra Dubium
Nov 23, 2007

The British Empire was built on cups of tea, and if you think I'm going into battle without one, you're sorely mistaken!



Chilly McFreeze posted:

If WWE crowds don't sing along with Zack Ryder's song, they won't sing along with anything.

You just wait for the face turn, buddy.

Umbra Dubium
Nov 23, 2007

The British Empire was built on cups of tea, and if you think I'm going into battle without one, you're sorely mistaken!



Pneub posted:

If he literally refused to learn how to sell, then he got what was coming to him.

If you watch that Regal/Goldberg match without knowing that Goldberg is no-selling everything it doesn't look that strange. Your typical mark wouldn't notice anything weird going on.

Regal merely upped the level of his offence to get the responses he wanted. Which means turning it all the way up to "stiffing the poo poo out of him" if need be.

Umbra Dubium
Nov 23, 2007

The British Empire was built on cups of tea, and if you think I'm going into battle without one, you're sorely mistaken!



BizarroAzrael posted:

Is it wrong that I miss Coach?

Yes.

Next Question?

Umbra Dubium
Nov 23, 2007

The British Empire was built on cups of tea, and if you think I'm going into battle without one, you're sorely mistaken!



Jerusalem posted:

I could have sworn he came out at a Madison Square Garden Royal Rumble. He didn't have a match, just came out and beat up Matt Hardy and Christopher Nowinksi from memory. Maybe it was Survivor Series, but I was sure it was the Rumble.

It was at Madison Square Garden, but the show was Survivor Series.

Umbra Dubium
Nov 23, 2007

The British Empire was built on cups of tea, and if you think I'm going into battle without one, you're sorely mistaken!



Tato posted:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVuwnOJ9Oro

haha. Thank god that theme went unused. I love the breakdown in the middle with the saxophones. It sounds like an awful 80s porn soundtrack.

Is... Is that Vince?!

Umbra Dubium
Nov 23, 2007

The British Empire was built on cups of tea, and if you think I'm going into battle without one, you're sorely mistaken!



Also Candice Michelle has been replaced by Kelly Kelly.

Does anyone know which match the very first clip is of?

Umbra Dubium
Nov 23, 2007

The British Empire was built on cups of tea, and if you think I'm going into battle without one, you're sorely mistaken!



Web Jew.0 posted:

Serious Question: Why is it that American women are incapable of having ***+ matches? lack of muscle power or a sociological condition or what

How many male wrestlers get good enough to have five-star classics in the first three years of their careers? Not more than the tiniest of handfuls.

How many "divas" last much longer than that? The answer is about the same.

By the time a female wrestler has enough experience to be more than passable in the ring, she'll be "too old" for the WWE.

Umbra Dubium
Nov 23, 2007

The British Empire was built on cups of tea, and if you think I'm going into battle without one, you're sorely mistaken!



Bearnt! posted:

JR was what I first thought of as not changing. Mickie James I'm pretty sure is the same since debuting in 2006 and maybe some of the other Divas if you even want to count them. Kofi and Swagger have stayed the same? Or have they not been around long enough to count either?

I think Swagger had different music for his very first week.

Umbra Dubium
Nov 23, 2007

The British Empire was built on cups of tea, and if you think I'm going into battle without one, you're sorely mistaken!



Moose Bigelow posted:

Out of context this is hilarious.

Next to your avatar it's disturbing.

Umbra Dubium
Nov 23, 2007

The British Empire was built on cups of tea, and if you think I'm going into battle without one, you're sorely mistaken!



MassRayPer posted:

The over/under is 2. I am taking the over as I think edge will return 3 times in the Rumble.

He's getting La Familia back together? Yay! :neckbeard:

Umbra Dubium
Nov 23, 2007

The British Empire was built on cups of tea, and if you think I'm going into battle without one, you're sorely mistaken!



Jerusalem posted:

Something that has always struck me about Triple H is that I get a real sense that he legitimately, 100% is absolutely in love with professional wrestling. This isn't a guy who will drop out at the first chance of something "better" (though in many cases that is an admirable and smart thing to do) because as far as he is concerned, this is as good as it gets. I can easily see him being involved in the up-high running of WWE loooooooooong after he retires as an active wrestler, not because he needs a job or can't do anything else, but because it is all he wants to do.

I think, possibly, if Triple H could have made it as a rock star he'd have gone for that. But Lemmy already exists and he can actually play an instrument or two.

Umbra Dubium
Nov 23, 2007

The British Empire was built on cups of tea, and if you think I'm going into battle without one, you're sorely mistaken!



You don't even need to qualify the asterisks against his 0-4 record. The fact he's had four matches in four weeks tells you they are at least pushing him in a direction - whether you think that's up or down is up to you.

Umbra Dubium
Nov 23, 2007

The British Empire was built on cups of tea, and if you think I'm going into battle without one, you're sorely mistaken!



The Shaman of Cum posted:

that he was not getting a jesus push. there is a middle ground you know ;)

This is the 40 days and nights in the wilderness. He is resisting the temptation to elbow Satan to death.

Umbra Dubium
Nov 23, 2007

The British Empire was built on cups of tea, and if you think I'm going into battle without one, you're sorely mistaken!



It seems that the problem with naming finishers depends on the character of the wrestler.

For example, John Morrison's corkscrew neckbreaker went unnamed until he was on an episode of Smackdown one time and Mick Foley on commentary announced, "John told me he likes to call that one the 'Moonlight Drive'". Subsequently, all the commentators knew the name of the move.

Since it's more likely that Sheamus would boot your head off rather than deign to talk to the likes of Michael Cole, his finishers will probably remain unnamed for the time being.

Umbra Dubium
Nov 23, 2007

The British Empire was built on cups of tea, and if you think I'm going into battle without one, you're sorely mistaken!



The A-Team Van posted:

Wrestling question: why did the Shelton/Undertaker feud tank? I remember like one really good match that they had.

I think the Undertaker just disappeared and that was that.

Backstage, he needed time off for his hip surgery.

Umbra Dubium
Nov 23, 2007

The British Empire was built on cups of tea, and if you think I'm going into battle without one, you're sorely mistaken!



I really think someone should get "I hate Vince Russo. I despise Vince Russo. I want Vince Russo to die. If I could figure out a way to murder him without going to prison, I would consider it the greatest accomplishment of my life." as their custom title.

Umbra Dubium
Nov 23, 2007

The British Empire was built on cups of tea, and if you think I'm going into battle without one, you're sorely mistaken!



Von Dozier posted:

I think a better question is do you think they really would of planned that to be a huge storyline that would of certainly made a main event career, for the outcome to be Hornswoggle?

They were at the point where they couldn't just drop the storyline when Kennedy got sidelined (can't remember if it was another one of his major injuries or the drug test).

He failed a test, and Vince came out on Raw and said "Mr. Kennedy has been suspended for thirty days for... impersonating a McMahon."

Umbra Dubium
Nov 23, 2007

The British Empire was built on cups of tea, and if you think I'm going into battle without one, you're sorely mistaken!



Writer Cath posted:

Is there a story behind the ArmDrag nickname?

You're thinking of Daniel Bryanian, the Armenian Dragon.

Umbra Dubium
Nov 23, 2007

The British Empire was built on cups of tea, and if you think I'm going into battle without one, you're sorely mistaken!



Save Russian Jews posted:

Is it bad that I completely agree with Vince

The man might be crazy, but he does have an uncanny sense for what's bad for business.

Umbra Dubium
Nov 23, 2007

The British Empire was built on cups of tea, and if you think I'm going into battle without one, you're sorely mistaken!



Perdido posted:

Could someone tell me the story of the bearskin rug that's supposedly at Titan Towers? :allears:

There is nothing more to the story than Vince has a bearskin rug in his office, upon which sexual favours are performed by young wrestlers who will do anything to be a star. Allegedly.

Umbra Dubium
Nov 23, 2007

The British Empire was built on cups of tea, and if you think I'm going into battle without one, you're sorely mistaken!



Triple-Kan posted:

WWE seems to be entering the age where the wrestler's realize their finisher is going to be a move they'll be using all-night every night.

I would hope they realise that finishers should be moves that don't take a toll on their bodies but still have a distinctive look.

The Backstabber is a bad choice, as evidenced by Carlito's little painkiller problem.

Cena's Attitude Adjuster is a move I'm confident he'll be able to pull off for many more years to come, since it doesn't involve any impact on his part.

Umbra Dubium
Nov 23, 2007

The British Empire was built on cups of tea, and if you think I'm going into battle without one, you're sorely mistaken!



Moose Bigelow posted:

You mean the summerslam.

The summerfest!

Umbra Dubium
Nov 23, 2007

The British Empire was built on cups of tea, and if you think I'm going into battle without one, you're sorely mistaken!



Moose Bigelow posted:

Is it pathetic that I am across the street from where RAW is tonight and would rather watch it on TV then spend money on going in the cheap seats?

Well, I'm sure you're in the best position to judge whether you'd like to spend all evening in the company of unwashed marks.

Or you could go out. :v:

Umbra Dubium
Nov 23, 2007

The British Empire was built on cups of tea, and if you think I'm going into battle without one, you're sorely mistaken!



Jerusalem posted:

It is bizarre because his match with Kozlov was loving TERRIBLE but he had a surprisingly good, entertaining match with Khali like you mention.

I remember at the time there was a lot of talk about Kozlov being right on the edge of quasi-main eventing, an idea that is laughable now. And I think you can point to that match as being the reason why.

Survivor Series 2008? I can't think of another notable Triple H/Kozlov match.

I don't think it was supposed to be that bad, but I got the feeling the plan was to stall for time until the Edge reveal and Hardy run-in, so they kinda avoided doing anything too interesting and accidentally put the crowd to sleep in the process.

Umbra Dubium
Nov 23, 2007

The British Empire was built on cups of tea, and if you think I'm going into battle without one, you're sorely mistaken!



SiKboy posted:

I had kind of assumed that TNA was following wrestlings time honoured tradition of throwing money at out of date celebrity appearences, and it was Janice from friends.

Makes sense. I mean, they aren't going to be able to get Joey Styles.

Umbra Dubium
Nov 23, 2007

The British Empire was built on cups of tea, and if you think I'm going into battle without one, you're sorely mistaken!



FishBulb posted:

It seems that for a large group of people wrestling is fake enough so that if you do anything outside the realm of 'reality' it breaks their brains I guess.

It's a stupid argument for stupid people, but the idea is that since a single 180 degree cut (especially inside a magic weed limo) means you need to go through the rigmarole of setting up the new camera position it can't possibly be "live" any more.

Why it's that in particular that breaks the precious immersion, I'm not qualified to say, I loved that segment.

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Umbra Dubium
Nov 23, 2007

The British Empire was built on cups of tea, and if you think I'm going into battle without one, you're sorely mistaken!



Burrito posted:

Who was it that was Shockmaster in that backstage segment a few months back?

Santino wore the helmet, Arn Anderson did the voice.

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