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Karmine
Oct 23, 2003

If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine.

LividLiquid posted:

This was in that book and supposedly in the Observer, but I've never seen that ad and I'm calling bullshit until I do. Somebody would've scanned it and uploaded it. It's another lie in a book filled with lies and misremembered truths.

What book are you talking about and what is the ad you're referring to?

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Karmine
Oct 23, 2003

If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine.

TL posted:

The book is the WCW book that Alvarez and R.D. Reynolds wrote. The ad is a supposed USA Today ad with the new WCW logo, with the ad saying the logo "looks like something a bird left on my car".

I've read that book a bunch of times and I don't remember this part. Weird.

Karmine
Oct 23, 2003

If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine.
Are you guys saying that, in terms of kayfabe, WWE actually wanted us to believe that the Undertaker had sent Edge to the actual realm of hell?

Karmine
Oct 23, 2003

If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine.

HulkaMatt posted:

I was actually planning on making a thread for everyone to post what kind of stuff they like and who their favorites are, so people can look at that if they don't know what to get them.


Good idea/Bad idea?

Very good idea. And you should also ask people to post what they already own so that they don't get any repeats.

Karmine
Oct 23, 2003

If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine.

HulkaMatt posted:

I think it was a month but I'm probably wrong.

ONS was 6/11/06, Batista/Big Show was 8/1/06 so a little under two months.

Karmine
Oct 23, 2003

If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine.

Writer Cath posted:

I maintain that some of the best sellers of the RKO are the divas.

Though Randy Orton: Diva Killer probably wouldn't fit with the PG rating.

Well yeah but neither does Triple H's Weekly Gay Joke.

Karmine
Oct 23, 2003

If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine.

FishBulb posted:

Yeah thats also possible.

I just don't think Hogan was trying to sandbag. He's a piece of poo poo but I don't think even he would try to sandbag Taker.

What's funny is that as revered as Hogan is, at this point Taker and Michaels have to garner way more honest, legitimate respect from other wrestlers at this point.

Karmine
Oct 23, 2003

If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine.

sportsgenius86 posted:

Is there a person in the entire history of the sport that's more widely respected than The Undertaker?

Michaels, Flair, Andre and Bruno all come close but nope.

Karmine
Oct 23, 2003

If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine.

OneThousandMonkeys posted:

Flair isn't exactly without enemies, but at this point they're mostly nobodies.

What do you think happened to the Undertaker's enemies?

CM Junk posted:

I think it's pretty much just Taker and Andre. Everyone else either destroyed their own legacy (in Flair's case, he sold it) or still has pools of people that hate them. If it weren't for Bret Hart I'd say HBK is up there, but I think even then his history of drug abuse burned a few bridges.

Yeah but "history" is a key word. Cleaning up, finding Jesus, and being sorry for all the stupid poo poo he did in the 90s probably won over a lot of people who hated him beforehand (Bret notwithstanding).

Karmine
Oct 23, 2003

If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine.

Meat Recital posted:

Eddie Guerrero and Owen Hart are the only others I can think of. How much of that is the tragic circumstances of their deaths, not wanting to speak ill of the dead, etc., I dont know.

Everything I know about Owen Hart points to him being far and away the nicest and least sleazy person in the history of professional wrestling.

Karmine
Oct 23, 2003

If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine.
Nobody seems to have a very high opinion of the Ultimate Warrior.

Karmine
Oct 23, 2003

If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine.

Wojtek posted:

Can anyone elaborate on this?

Supposedly the knife with which Bruiser Brody was stabbed had been dipped in urine so that if the stabbing itself didn't kill him an infection would.

Karmine
Oct 23, 2003

If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine.

FishBulb posted:

You've got your stories mixed up.

gently caress, you're right.

You know a business is sleazy when you get your stabbings mixed up.

Karmine
Oct 23, 2003

If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine.

SiKboy posted:

I dont know... I think hes a dick in real life, but I just cant picture him insulting people to their faces. I think he'd be more likely to just cut someone dead and tell them to shut up than to insult them.

Reminder: This is a guy who supposedly asked one of his workers to "spic it up a bit" so at the very least we know that tact is not his strong point.

Karmine
Oct 23, 2003

If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine.

Rusty Shackelford posted:

Well that's kinda sad for the kids who think Hogan is coming to see them.

The saddest Make a Wish story ever is the one in Bret's book where all the little kid wanted to do was meet Ultimate Warrior and Warrior was like "I'LL DO IT LATER" and he never ended up doing it and the kid died like two days later. :(

Karmine
Oct 23, 2003

If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine.

Zanael posted:

Coffey's post in the TNA thread about TNA announcing the coming of Hogan too soon made me wonder : how much time before the Nitro where Shane showed in did they announce WCW was bought by WWF ?
Basically, was it a huge surprise or did it take weeks to materialize on TV ?

It all happened on the same night.

Karmine
Oct 23, 2003

If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine.

Writer Cath posted:

They seem to alternate that periodically. Sometimes they have it and sometimes they don't. One of the best moments was Rey saying that Eddie would guide him and give him a good number ... and Rey wound up going first :laugh:

There was also an awesome one the year before when Eddie got number 1 so he decided to steal Ric Flair's number.

Karmine
Oct 23, 2003

If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine.

The A-Team Van posted:

Undertaker going Old School :colbert:

Was invented by Don Jardine, the guy who trained Undertaker. :colbertx2:

Karmine
Oct 23, 2003

If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine.

Captain Strange posted:

Hogan used to pose before hitting the big leg sometimes (didn't he?)

Yeah but Hogan posed before like all of his moves so I don't know if this counts.

Karmine
Oct 23, 2003

If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine.

Jagtpanther posted:

Here's my question - why the hell did Hogan come out clean shaven for a period in WCW?

It was after the Dungeon of Doom beat the poo poo out of him and shaved off his mustache.

Karmine
Oct 23, 2003

If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine.

Ozz81 posted:

Fourth (post-DX) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwjUf_rAhxU

There was also a version of this without the words but I don't know for sure when he used it.

Karmine
Oct 23, 2003

If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine.
Also Ted DiBiase, Mark Henry, the Hardys, Gail Kim, Eve Torres, Charlie Haas, Michelle McCool (yes that is her honest to God name), and Gregory Helms.

The list gets a lot longer if you count people like Melina or Finlay who just use their first/last names.

Karmine
Oct 23, 2003

If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine.

Bearnt! posted:

It was. Austin missed Wrestlemania 2000 after being run over by a car at Survivor Series but in realty still needed neck surgery since Owen Hart broke his neck.

Owen was ruining his career from beyond the grave!

:ohdear:

Karmine
Oct 23, 2003

If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine.

Jerusalem posted:

There's a photo of Undertaker in a tracksuit on a phone, looking towards the cameraman. I imagine what followed that is equivalent to those audio tapes from Grizzly Man.

There are a few photos of Undertaker out of character and they're all amazing.







Karmine
Oct 23, 2003

If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine.

Bearnt! posted:

What's the record for longest stretch between Wrestlemania matches? I figure Bret may have it after this year if he's actually put in a match. Just got me wondering.

Hogan went nine years between beating Yokozuna and losing to the Rock. Can't think of anyone else with that big of a gap.

Karmine
Oct 23, 2003

If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine.

OneThousandMonkeys posted:

Foley has also said that his Cactus Jack theme in WWF was a porno theme.

Is that why they overdub his Mr. Bang Bang WCW theme on 24/7?

Because that theme sucks and I hate hearing it.

Karmine
Oct 23, 2003

If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine.

ColeM posted:

Speaking of which, why did Ken leave the WWE?

My immediate guess is that he wanted to go back to MMA.

Karmine
Oct 23, 2003

If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine.

Jerusalem posted:

I'm pretty sure that Chyna and Jericho had a match and later that night appeared in a Rumble as well.

It was a triple threat with hardcore holly and I think he was in the Rumble too.

Karmine
Oct 23, 2003

If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine.

SiKboy posted:

Perry Saturn. . .was shot 3 times in the neck stopping an attempted rape

I never gave a poo poo about Perry Saturn but if this is true I am now a Perry Saturn fan.

Karmine
Oct 23, 2003

If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine.

projecthalaxy posted:

Am I an idiot or did WWE never run a plumber gimmick? It seems obvious that it would come up in the 80s/90s with all the vocation gimmicks.

TL Hopper

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Anthony#World_Wrestling_Federation_.281996-1997.29

Karmine
Oct 23, 2003

If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine.

Rusty Shackelford posted:

Earthquake was in the Gimmick Battle Royal at WrestleMania X-7. That was his last appearance.

I bet he had fun then too though so it's all good. :)

I hear that Tenta was a really nice guy.

Karmine
Oct 23, 2003

If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine.

Web Jew.0 posted:

Yes in his book he pointed that out exactly


Question: which wrestler autobiographies are total shoot and which are (at least somewhat) in character?

Shoot: Foley, Hart, etc.
Character: Rock, Rey, etc.

Jericho's is a total shoot but it's not like he has anything really controversial to say. Flair's is also a shoot but at the same time real life Ric Flair and kayfabe Ric Flair are pretty much the same.

I mean, if the book has the WWE logo anywhere on it it's almost definitely gonna be at the very least a little biased toward them, but in the case of someone like Jericho or Bret who got their books published without WWE's endorsement they can get away with a lot more honesty.

Karmine
Oct 23, 2003

If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine.
Yeah for a long time wrestling games were pretty much mortal kombat with wrestlers.

Karmine
Oct 23, 2003

If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine.

WeaselWeaz posted:

No. That happened years before the No Blood policy, and all it led to was Bob Orton being taken off TV. Also, part of the problem there was WWE knew but didn't tell Taker, if I remember correctly.

So WWE hosed up and endangered the Undertaker's health without telling him and Bob Orton is the one who gets punished?

I'm not accusing you of lying by the way I'm accusing WWE of being terrible.

Karmine
Oct 23, 2003

If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine.

projecthalaxy posted:

Guerrero/Lesnar. I remember some random person calling that a 1.3 Muta.

I think you mean Guerrero/JBL?

Karmine
Oct 23, 2003

If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine.
Bret Hart vs. British Bulldog from the December 95 (I think?) In Your House was loving brutal especially by 1995 standards. They replayed it on raw a few weeks later and they had to run a parental advisory disclaimer which I don't remember ever seeing on raw before then.

Karmine
Oct 23, 2003

If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine.

TL posted:

Don't forget the breasts.

Does anyone hear me complaining about the breasts?

Karmine
Oct 23, 2003

If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine.

gibsonisacripple posted:

What's the back story with Pepe Chavo's horse was it just a stupid Al Snow Head type gimmick?

Pretty much exactly that.

Karmine
Oct 23, 2003

If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine.
Well I mean, knowing about piped-in chants and the "smackdown pop" etc has made me a bit more cynical about how often the guys are ACTUALLY that over with the live crowd.

Obviously if it's raw or a PPV I know it's legit but still.

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Karmine
Oct 23, 2003

If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine.
Yeah I was never a big Sting fan but poo poo like that makes me really love the fact that he has had an incredibly successful career and never once worked for Vince McMahon.

edit: unless you count the last nitro which I don't and you shouldn't either.

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