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yeah, I don't think Tommy Dreamer could EVER work as a heel. Sting has in the past and it's been dreadful, but I don't know how much of that is the company/writers he is working for and how much is down to his ability.
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WeaselWeaz posted:It's worth adressing the question of "Why is hardcore okay for Cactus Jack and Terry Funk, but when it's CZW or IWA it's garbage wrestling?" The difference is promos and psychology. Funk was arguably one of the top 10 wrestlers of the past thirty years. He didn't have to do hardcore to have an entertaining match, but he knew how to use it in a way that made sense. Cactus was a big fat guy with average athletic ability. Yet, his promo ability and charisma made him one of the biggest stars of the Attitude era. In the ring, he made up for his althletic flaws with great psychology. Some could argue he used big bumps and hardcore as a crutch, and there's some truth to that. However, his had great psychology and knew how to use those spots for maximum effect and could sell well. Exactly, it's like those people who think that the Hell in a Cell match between Foley/Taker was great because of the spots off the roof, and can't understand why people don't consider it a classic when they leap into a dumper full of weedwhackers off of a roof swarming with crocodiles. The spots mean something because of our familiarity with the characters, the build to the match, and the fact that Foley got BACK UP afterwards with a crazy smile on his face because his character was loving insane and wanted to keep fighting.... and Taker's reaction was,"gently caress it okay let's fight some more!"
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Aug 4, 2009 05:32
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Chilly McFreeze posted:But this also happens in CZW matches  I know, but yeah, nobody knows anything about the character of CZW wrestlers, who they are, or why they should care* - it's the equivalent of the villainous henchmen in disney live action kids films who slip and land on their backs and then bowling balls land on their heads. It's not funny and nobody cares because no reason has been provided to.* The answer is we shouldn't. Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 05:54 on Aug 4, 2009 |
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Aug 4, 2009 05:51
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I would actually spend money to get hold of some Tom and Jerry cartoons, however, so there's a large difference.
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Aug 4, 2009 05:56
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Gorilla was great for reacting to people and having his color guys bounce lines off of him. He tended to repeat the "spontaneous" lines over and over again over the years, but he had a great voice and his,"Oh will you stop!" was always fun to hear.
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Aug 5, 2009 23:42
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Magic_Ceiling_Fan posted:Scott Stiner supposedly said that the WWE wanted to give him a drug test when he was there around 2003-2004ish. He said he'd gladly take a drug test if Triple H took one with him. I love this story because Steiner thinks it makes him sound like a loving genius and a hero when what it essentially says is,"Yeah I was cheating like gently caress and practically breathing steroids with every breath and sleeping in a big pool of liquid steroids and having sex with steroids but I found a way to get away with being a big loving cheating gently caress!"
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Aug 6, 2009 22:49
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Karmine posted:Well, it was at the very least an effective way of illustrating a double standard. Except it's the equivalent of an officer manager getting a phone-call from head office saying,"We need to send in an accountant to audit your department's books, there are some troubling things in your latest profit report we want to investigate further," and the manager replies,"Heh.... sure thing, you can do that...... so long as you audit the Executive Vice President at the same time!  "
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Aug 6, 2009 23:24
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Umbra Dubium posted:If that Executive Vice President turned up for work every morning driving a Ferrari, wearing a huge fur coat and trailing dusty white bank notes down the corridor, yeah. Yeah except it isn't the job of the Scranton, PA Office Manager to dictate terms of when and under what conditions HE will allow his financial records to be gone over by head office. And since we're comparing Steiner/HHH, Triple H would be showing up to work in a pretty drat nice looking cadillac wearing an Italian leather coat and would be dropping $50 bills as he walked down the corrider. Steiner would be showing up to work in the world's only ferrargini, with 30 inch gold plated rims, the car painted bright pink with the words,"PIMP DADDY!" in day-glo lime on the hood. His coat would be made from the feathers of Dodos and he would toss $100 bills about him and smile wide to show off his diamond-plated grill as he screamed,"FINANCIAL MALFEASANCE IS THE BOMB, YO!"
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Aug 6, 2009 23:57
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Moose Bigelow posted:I remember this as well. It was a faked excerpt leaked before the book came out. My understanding was that it was someone posting a "quote" that was based on things that actually WERE in the biography, but put together in such a way to make it look as bad for Batista as possible.
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Aug 7, 2009 01:43
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Captain Charisma posted:I grabbed MELINA'S can and then I touched her sweetcan and then I can with her sweet sweet sw sw sw sweet can Batista: .....yello? Voice on phone: Hello Dave, this is God........ WRESTLING GAWD! JBL! Batista: 'Sup Jibble.
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Aug 7, 2009 08:14
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Ziggy Tsardust posted:No it didn't. The entire segment was based around Stephanie taking back Smackdown. Also, John Cena was in the segment. July 24, 2003 to be exact. And apparently this show also involved Stephanie asking Cena to spank her. I absolutely do not remember this episode, and I'm not sure if this is because I didn't see it or that I did and scoured it from my memory. To answer Livid's question, I can only assume that no nudity was actually shown and because of this they could get away with it and hope that it enticed more young horny people and old creepy people to watch.
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Aug 9, 2009 14:01
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Thorias posted:The only time I remember them ever actually letting anyone flash without something covering the nipples was Kat at some PPV, I don't remember which one, though. I remember WWF catching a SHITTON of flak for that and quite correctly pointing out that they hadn't recieved a single complaint about Chris Jericho beating the living poo poo out of Chyna on the same PPV.
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Aug 9, 2009 22:35
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Batmanuel posted:What was Kurt Angles take on the Puder incident? Well let me put it this way, he once said in all seriousness that if he ever had an actual match with Puder, he would end up holding him down while Karen poo poo in Puder's mouth.
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Aug 10, 2009 03:34
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Grant DaNasty posted:edit: A big drawback for them is that they change out some of the entrance themes. For example you won't hear Big Bossman's "Hard Times" or Demolition's "Here comes the Ax, here comes the Smasher". Get me mah gun, boy. 
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Aug 10, 2009 23:31
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Get me mah other gun, boy. Ah sure hope Ah don't have tah reload...... nobody tell me about anything else they done hosed up.
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Aug 10, 2009 23:40
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Alastor_the_Stylish posted:Sandman, mind addled by booze, forgets whose side he is on and canes the gently caress out of Raven.
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Aug 13, 2009 12:36
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Foul Fowl posted:How exactly did people realize wrestling was fake? I don't watch it and I don't live in the U.S., but I heard people thought it was real like 20 years ago. Even when we were kids and thought it was real, my friends and I still knew how to wrestle ourselves to make the moves look good without actually hurting each other, so I guess everyone pretty much always knows on some level.
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Aug 13, 2009 22:54
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Brickhouse Betty posted:Bart Gunn won? I thought for sure I remembered him going down in like ten seconds against Butterbean. The prize was an exhibition/freakshow match at Wrestlemania and a big corresponding payday, everyone involved knew what they were getting into.
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Aug 15, 2009 08:51
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bobkatt013 posted:Will there be a Nitro tomorrow instead of the TNA ppv? I will provide an alternative, though I suspect there'll be a larger than usual trainwreck audience for the PPV this month.
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Aug 16, 2009 06:37
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Jagtpanther posted:What was the tag-team that had Andre, Earthquake/Tugboat, Akeem (or some other big-man combination) wearing black singlets and lucha masks? The Machines They were from THE ORIENT!
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Aug 19, 2009 11:17
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Captain Strange posted:Do you guys think the WWE might ever consider doing non-canonical, low-key shows to compete with Indy talent or to spread appeal overseas? It seems they're forever struggling to find places for some of their low and mid card talent. I can't imagine they couldn't turn a profit producing a more indy-style (ie more athletics, less talking), lower budget show under a different brand name. You know, so long as it wasn't HEY KIDS ITS THE NEW WWE INDY - just make their own little indy organisation and not ever talk about it on TV. Honestly I think that with FCW operating as a feeder into ECW operating at a television level itself as a feeder to Smackdown and RAW (and with Superstars thrown into the mix as a kind of exhibition show) they're really at straining point already, and adding anything else into the mix would only have a detrimental effect.
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Aug 21, 2009 00:35
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LividLiquid posted:As with WCW, Vince killed the nWo and didn't let them get any heat at all and he did it almost right away. Leaving the nWo with a lifetime victory/comeuppance ratio of 452,765 to 2.
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Aug 23, 2009 04:23
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LividLiquid posted:While this is true, I don't see how it was good for business to bring in Hall, Nash and Hogan and not actually play the angle out. It was a victim of circumstance, Nash got injured, Hall got drunk(er) and Hogan hit the nostalgic revitalization zone and drunk deep of those heady waters.
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Aug 23, 2009 04:56
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I honestly, genuinely enjoyed when Eric Bischoff would come out all exasparated on RAW and say,"What are you doing? What is this? You're boring me! You're BORING ME! I'm giving you exactly.... 3 Minutes .... to impress me."
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Aug 23, 2009 12:34
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Justice Grieves posted:Oddities feuded with The Bushwhackers over and over. It was really lame because there were 4 or 5 Oddities, two bushwhackers, and the Bushwackers always lost. It was frankly boring as hell. I have absolutely ZERO memory of this I believe you may have dreamed it.
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Aug 24, 2009 00:37
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ABOUT DRUGS posted:I know I've seen pictures and videos of him with different groups of wrestlers (The youtube of UMAGAAAAAA slapping the gently caress out of a spirit squad member comes to mind) but he doesn't seem to have a clique (Kliq?) style group. I feel like he is generally well-liked though, and his appearances on shows like Howard Stern make it seem hard to hate the guy, even if you hate his character. Yeah I've also heard he's good buddies with CM Punk and even fat ol' Samoa Joe, so it just sounds like he's a hell of a nice guy who everybody gets along with.
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Aug 26, 2009 23:22
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LividLiquid posted:Sting told him he was frustrated with himself because he wasn't getting the guy he was feuding with over. (It may have been Vampiro. I don't remember.) So there he was, hours before the show, thinking up spots by himself. According to Foley's first(?) book, Sting was also kind of blown away when Foley came to him with a bunch of ideas for things they could do in their matches together, both because: A. Foley was supposed to be a jobber being fed to Sting to make Sting look better. B. Pretty much nobody really bothered to come up with any ideas for matches anymore, they just showed up, got in a series of standard moves and then either got pinned or pinned the other guy and that was that. In the end they worked out their matches together and, as Foley had suggested to him, they both ended up better for it.
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Aug 27, 2009 23:55
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Magic_Ceiling_Fan posted:Even though the payoff sucked, the buildup to Starcade 1997 was amazing at the time, and was one of the few times in the modern era that a feud was given a proper amount of time to build to the boiling point. He deserves props for 1996/1997 alone for that build up, because it was all about the Stinger. Amusingly, wasn't the reason for that long build-up because Sting had fulfilled his contractually obligated number of matches per year really early and they would have to pay him extra money for every match he had after that point?
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quote:Flair finally arrived at 9:55pm, but they had already changed plans for the show because they had to be off the air at 10:03pm because TBS decreed that the Chimp movie had to start on time. Goddamn it's good to be reminded that even today there is still nothing that compares to the perfect storm of poo poo that was WCW.
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Aug 30, 2009 05:38
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Mr. Carlisle posted:Just watched the Hardy and Morrison vs The Hart Dynasty match from smackdown and something is really odd about Matt Hardy.. I don't know how to explain it but he just seems stiff? Seems to take him forever to get up off the mat and he seems to have very low mobility and flexibility in general. Is this because of the injury he had recently or has he always been that way? He's just recently had fairly major surgery on his abdominal wall, and for at least the last couple of years his guts have almost literally been leaking, which makes the level he has actually managed to perform at pretty phenomenal. It's also incredibly stupid, and I can't believe he has come back as early as he has. That said, he's probably also impressed the likes of Vince McMahon no end with his dedication and guaranteed a long, long, long career in WWE unless another Lita situation was to blow up in his face.
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Aug 31, 2009 04:54
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Mr. Carlisle posted:Whatever happened to belts actually meaning something? I will say that I've really dug Rey Mysterio's IC Title reign and it's annoying as hell that he went and got himself suspended and we aren't likely to see the proper ending to his feud with Ziggler. On Smackdown recently the IC Champion has been in GREAT matches against the WHC of the time. So in answer to your question, the answer as usual to almost any complaint is to watch Smackdown!
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Justice Grieves posted:The torture rack was a good move I'm confused.
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Sep 2, 2009 22:37
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Every so often you'll see the ref has hit the 3 at exactly the same time as a kick out, but the ref's word is final and if they twist around and throw up the 2 sign then it's a 2 count regardless of the number of times his hand hit the mat. Nick Patrick was the best because when he was going for a 3 count on a heel he would suddenly grab his arm and fall to the side in agony because his arm had suddenly seized up 
Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 05:50 on Sep 3, 2009 |
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Sep 3, 2009 05:36
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CombineThresher posted:It was Pat Patterson. And the joke in the book was about how when Foley was desperately hoping for a call from WWF, his Dad told him that someone called Pat Patterson had rung about a job. Foley got all excited then figured it might be a prank, so asked if the man had trouble with pluralization, and his Dad said yes. So Foley got all excited and thought Patterson was going to give him a job (and I think even called Patterson!) until he found out it was Shane Douglas, who had left a message along the lines of,"Tells Micks Foleys thats thes WWFs woulds likes tos gives hims as jobses."
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I loved the Earl Hebner/Triple H storyline, and whenever Earl would shove Triple H back. At Backlash 2000 when Linda marches the "fired" referee Earl Hebner to the ring after Austin has destroyed Triple H's backup and sends him into the ring where he proceeds to call the match RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE is absolutely perfect. They could just as easily had him come back and work on the side of The Rock and it would have been justified after all the cheating Triple H had done, but instead he called it right down the middle and his final 3 Count was neither fast nor slow but JUUUUST right. At that time, I genuinely think Earl was the best ref in the world, very few if any other refs could have sold that angle as well as he did.
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Sep 6, 2009 22:41
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The Berzerker posted:Hebner counting fast for Jericho on Raw that one time is one of my biggest mark-out moments ever I remember my  face when that happened, and a friend of mine told me that when he saw it, he and his brother actually started screaming and their parents burst into the room thinking they were being murdered, only to see them hopping up and down shouting,"JERICHO WON THE TITLE! JERICHO WON THE TITLE!"
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Sep 6, 2009 22:54
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projecthalaxy posted:And could explain in detail why Brian Pillman has a gun? Did he bring one to a show or something? I hear the meme, but do not know. Austin came to Pillman's house to attack him during an interview on a show, and during all the tumult, Pillman suddenly came back with a gun.
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Sep 7, 2009 05:17
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bradzilla posted:Bret Hart is the biggest baby Bret Hart has a lot going for him even today, top of the list being that he is not Kurt Angle.
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You can't even say that Bret is the craziest Canadian because BAM, Chris Benoit took that bullet for him.
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