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Commissar Ken posted:In such a way that they're almost just sitting there going "loving dork." it's hilarious. It is. If they weren't also huge marks for themselves, it'd be even funnier.
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SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL posted:Thanks all, that makes perfect sense. I realize my lack of understanding was based on not even remembering Gunn wining KotR, much less anything else. Which I suppose is also an example of his overall failure (or that of my memory's). Sort of makes me think his win was what made KotR not matter anymore. It's by no means a bad thing to know less about wrestling than the rest of us.
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Oct 25, 2009 06:50
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:ARGH CENA On paper, I can see why he would want to build up his opponents instead of dismissing them - if you, as a face, call your opponent a piece of poo poo and he beats you, you don't have anywhere else to go promo-wise. I can see your point, though, about how it's something Cena should stop doing after Orton proves time and again what a slimy heel he is. But if you don't want WWE babyfaces to pander to the audience, you should maybe watch something else. They have always done that. Hogan did it, Austin did it, Rock did it, Human Muppet Commissioner Foley did it, etc. They may have been pandering to different audiences than the dorky kids who like Cena, but they were pandering all the same. And I will go to my grave defending IMPERVIOUS TO BULLETS.
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Nov 12, 2009 14:31
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The A-Team Van posted:Besides WM 3 (including Hogan slamming Andre), what are some of the most important matches/storylines/promos/wrestlers/events/promotions/etc to come out of the 1980's? I'd say Orndorff turning on Hogan and Savage also turning on Hogan were pretty big 80s wrestling moments that led to huge money-drawing programs and great matches. Orndorff never really gets credit for how awesome he was back in the day, either. Rock 'n Wrestling was pretty popular too, setting the stage for the first Wrestlemania and more or less building it up single-handedly. If we're not just talking WWF/E, the Four Horsemen joined forces in the mid-80s and had a huge impact on the business, drawing big money and basically killing the idea of a hodgepodge stable of guys for a long time. In terms of individual wrestlers who aren't obvious choices, I'd put Roddy Piper, the Million Dollar Man and the Honky Tonk Man up there because they're guys who casual and lapsed wrestling fans still remember - hell, Dibiase still gets strong pops whenever he returns. And they all drew money.
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Nov 13, 2009 09:16
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Matt Cruea posted:In fact, to ask a semi-related question, has anyone else really fallen from main event to jobber status? Jeff Hardy WWE Champion to TNA Champion doesn't count, but has someone gone from WWE Main Eventer to WCW Jobber like Orndorff did? Hacksaw might count for this, too. King Kong Bundy main-evented with Hogan at WM 2 and beat up a midget in the undercard at WM 3. That's...quite a tumble from grace. Iron Sheik also did jobs for WCW for a while - he even got an extra $100k from them because they were too stupid to release him before his contract rolled over.
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Nov 16, 2009 07:03
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ColeM posted:I was wondering what people though of Hogan's super, omega world title reign in WCW? You know, where he held for like 3 years straight while dropping it only a few times. I think it's safe to say that most of us hated it; Hogan's reign was symptomatic of WCW's good undercard/lovely main event problem, not to mention the backstage pull Hogan had and freely abused.
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Nov 17, 2009 21:39
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dusty udder smoker posted:to be fair most of us were like 10-14 and weren't concerned about snowflakes. there's a reason road dogg always got a giant reaction despite not being able to wrestle worth a drat To be fair, CC was like 8 when the rest of us were 10-14.
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Nov 18, 2009 18:37
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CM Junk posted:if we're going with non-wrestlers, JR and Heenan are at the top of the list. Road Dogg hates JR for some reason that's probably just him being a bitter junkie. He's the only one, though. Bobby Eaton is someone I never hear bad things about.
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Nov 18, 2009 23:36
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oldpainless posted:Does anyone in the wrestling industry badmouth Lance Storm? JBL and Bob Holly probably don't like him, but they're both cunts so they might not count. weekly font posted:Bobby Eaton is someone I never hear things about. Bill Watts, Tod Gordon, Jim Cornette (obviously) and Mick Foley are two people who've heaped praise on Bobby for being such a nice guy. Mick probably marks the last generation of guys to work with him, though. And hey, also, I've never heard anything bad about Paul Bearer.
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Nov 19, 2009 06:04
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Jerusalem posted:Then she went to the wrestlers' hotel and snuck up to Taker's room. When he walked in he just stared at her as she babbled her undying love for him, then pointed to a chair and told her,"Sit. Wait." and she did as she was told because "he is my Dark Master and I must obey him," and while she sat waiting he went and called security and had her escorted from the hotel. And that is why you never hear anything bad about the Undertaker.
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Nov 19, 2009 06:13
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nyratk1 posted:The moral of the story is Undertaker is awesome and anybody would listen to him. Right, I was implying that. Taker's never going to write a book, but I really wish he would.
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Nov 19, 2009 06:19
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MassRayPer posted:Everything Lance has said about JBL makes it sound like they got along well in WWE. Except for the time JBL started a screaming argument with him backstage over something Lance told his students in OVW. Lance doesn't dislike JBL really, he just thought guys like JBL and Bob Holly and Billy Gunn made life difficult for new guys in the locker room because they got butthurt over being "disrespected" really easily, and often looked for reasons to feel that way.
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Nov 19, 2009 14:06
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FishBulb posted:Besides don't you think Vince routinely insults his wrestlers to their faces? Vince is one of the most confrontational people on planet Earth, so yeah, I could see this happening. oldpainless posted:So who are the most hated wrestlers? Not very many people like Kevin Nash, and a lot of old school guys really hate Terry Taylor for some reason. Raven has a pretty bad reputation in the business too, probably because he wavered between being a miserable junkie and an obnoxious goof for most of his career.
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Nov 19, 2009 23:55
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Theshby posted:For "good-to-great" read "heatless, identical-to-anonymous-New-Japan-rookie." Lance Storm is a pretty easy guy to book, provided you don't shoehorn every midcarder into a comedy gimmick the way WWE does. His UnAmericans phase got heat, as did the initial phase of his "Boring" gimmick, but then the writers had no idea what his strengths were and he floundered. Not saying he would have been World champion or anything, but he was certainly a step above guys like Lance Cade and Big Daddy V.
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Nov 20, 2009 20:35
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dusty udder smoker posted:because he didn't care about becoming a main eventer. he was perfectly happy to just wrestle. Right. Lance is perfect for the Tito Santana role - a guy who gets booked to have good, solid matches in the midcard and job to guys getting ready for a main event push. If you put him in simple, competitive feuds, he did fine.
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Nov 21, 2009 02:28
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Captain Strange posted:CM Punk They're both good workers but CM Punk made it to the world championship so I'm gonna ultimately say they're different.
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Nov 22, 2009 20:26
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Captain Strange posted:I'm basically saying Punk (especially heel Punk) proves Storm had a bad break, because they're really the same candy in different wrapper. No, they aren't. Punk is much more versatile on the mic than Storm, who can only cut scathing heel promos well (Candido used to joke that Storm made up for working light by stiffing people in promos). Hell, one of the reasons Punk made it out of the indies is because he can actually talk.
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Nov 23, 2009 05:40
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Super Ninja Fish posted:I thought that was stopped when Shane McMahon's salary was turned into the beer budget. No wonder he resigned.
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Nov 23, 2009 18:00
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Wazzu posted:Considering it was 20 years ago, but I keep hearing this, can somebody elaborate on why? Tito was the man because he was a classic fiery babyface who could sell and rally fans behind him, and he had good chemistry with a lot of different wrestlers. Inheriting a bunch of 80s wrestling tapes from a friend's dad has shown me just how great Tito was. Not sure if I'd call Strike Force the best tag team of their era, but they were a fast-paced, NWA-style team in a promotion that didn't have very many teams like that.
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Dec 2, 2009 04:16
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WeaselWeaz posted:NWA-style, they had loving Arn and Tully. For about two seconds, yeah. I agree that the Bulldogs, the Rockers, and the Harts were better, but when you consider the (sometimes literal) bulk of WWE's tag division up to that point, it's not hard to see why people thought so highly of Strike Force.
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Dec 2, 2009 05:09
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Captain Charisma posted:Tito had a really great feud with Greg Valentine in the mid 80s I'd advise anyone unfamiliar with either to track down. 24/7 ran an LA house show from like 1988 a year or so ago with them on it (the actual feud was in like 83-84 btw) and it was loving great. They just beat the poo poo out of each other. Yes they did. Their lumberjack match is on the WWE Superstars of the 80s DVD set, and stupid finish aside, it's a fun match. Tito was a machine during that period and got good matches out of pretty much everyone.
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Dec 3, 2009 01:47
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Didn't Toots Mondt invent most of the basic wrestling moves we see today? I know he basically wrote the manual for how to run a modern wrestling promotion.
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Dec 13, 2009 06:52
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ultimateforce posted:TNA is so wildly uncreative.
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Dec 21, 2009 06:26
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Burrito posted:Lance Storm's "WOO!" followed by him immediately turning serious after was fantastic. Yes. Also, Ivory chopping Al Snow was adorable. I miss Ivory.
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Dec 25, 2009 07:05
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Carlton Banks posted:Just think, in 2017 when he looks like a white Abdullah the Butcher, we will look back at how great he looked in 2009 on the Hulkamania tour Yep, he started and ended his career looking like Dusty Rhodes.
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Dec 27, 2009 06:06
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RAPAAAAACM Junk posted:In before someone makes a really lovely Cena joke in response to this. Oh. Sorry.
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Dec 30, 2009 07:07
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WeaselWeaz posted:Reis is commonly accepted as one of the worst wrestlers ever, Giant Gonzalez level. Although he was responsible for a great behind the scenes moment in WCW where Paul Wight was getting an ego and Arn Anderson (I think) says "The only difference between you and Reis is you're getting a push." Reis is also on Raven's albatross list (a list of terrible botchtastic sidekicks that Raven got saddled with during his career), alongside Van Hammer, Tori (not Wilson), and JT Southern.
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Jan 4, 2010 23:18
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:Mick only has a handful of good matches. Untrue. Mick is one of the few garbage wrestlers whose matches actually made sense, and he managed to drag something watchable out of Van Hammer of all people.
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Jan 11, 2010 18:22
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nyratk1 posted:Finlay? Probably, unless they brought Meng back for it. Does anyone know what Ric Flair said about Raven in his book? I know he trashed Foley and Sandman, but I've heard Raven mention it in a couple of shoots now so I was wondering what was said. Raven is shocked that Flair gives enough of a poo poo to bury him, and frankly I am too.
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Jan 15, 2010 23:30
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reality_groove posted:Isn't he quite injury-prone? He's had one notable injury.
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Jan 16, 2010 01:40
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Kentucky Shark posted:Bret was always really over, and probably was even considered a big draw in Canada and Europe, but not so much in the U.S. To build on this, Bret was pretty insanely over in Europe and had a strong international fanbase, but he wasn't bringing in new fans the way Hogan and Austin did. I also think he could have been a legit big draw for WCW if they hadn't hosed it up.
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Jan 16, 2010 22:21
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Chop Licker posted:You can see plastic ties lying in the ring after the bump through the cell, I've always thought these were good indicators that the piece of the cell that broke was gimmicked and designed to breakaway, implying it was a planned spot. It was, but the break was supposed to be more gradual, allowing Foley to roll down a slope into the ring. Which still would have hurt, but the sudden, unplanned drop made it a lot worse.
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Jan 17, 2010 07:48
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Chilly McFreeze posted:Oh, like an overhead belly to belly suplex Problem solved!
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The A-Team Van posted:Name some other wrestling badasses. Harley Race and Wahoo McDaniel are two who immediately spring to mind. Harley was fighting grown men in carnivals at 15 and had the entire NWA terrified of him as champion. NO ONE hosed with Harley Race. The family who owns the place where my mom gets her hair done were all friends of Wahoo's, and they have a lot of stories about him destroying people in bars and just generally being an rear end-kicking machine. He actually used to chop people in real fights, and it worked. Paul Orndorff deserves a mention too, as does Bruiser Brody.
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Feb 3, 2010 21:16
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MassRayPer posted:I haven't heard too many people say WWE is disorganized. While at times they don't have much of a booking plan, everything else is pretty well regimented. They usually don't have a booking plan at all for anyone below the main event, and their tendency to hire and fire arbitrarily is annoying and reeks of corporate miscommunication. But they're not WCW by a long shot because they're still actually making money.
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Feb 5, 2010 18:43
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The A-Team Van posted:Why does WWE hate us? Because we're on the Internet. My question is why is the WWE's hiring/firing process so loving arbitrary?
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Feb 16, 2010 17:52
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CM Junk posted:Because professional wrestling, is, by nature, an arbitrary and petty business. Yeah, but that's expected of a weekly territory in Shitsplat, TN that runs in armories and flea markets. You'd think something as corporate in every other respect as WWE would have more of their poo poo together in Human Resources.
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Feb 17, 2010 21:39
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LividLiquid posted:Because he went back to TNA when everybody else was going back to WWE, they canceled a DVD about him a couple years ago when Vince found out they were making it, and he hasn't been inducted into the hall of fame. Did they just not tell Vince about the recent 3-disc set, then?
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Feb 19, 2010 06:29
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Theshby posted:No, he did it a few times. Y'know how Taker's is really graceful and exciting? Well, Nash's is sort of completely unlike that. Nash also didn't ever want to do dives like that and only did it so he wouldn't piss off the agents who plugged that spot into the match. What I really want to see is him sunset-flipping Bob Backlund.
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Karmine posted:I have a strange theoretical question. Do you guys think that if ROH had all the ASSETS TNA has (big names, great workers, on a big network, good timeslot etc) but none of the drawbacks (lovely booking, a bunch of guys no one cares about, lovely booking, lovely booking etc) could THEY provide some decent competition for WWE whether or not it went head to head with Raw or Smackdown? Probably, yeah. At the very least, they could coexist with WWE and provide both good ratings for their network and another place for guys to work and make decent money. Part of TNA's problem is that they keep trying to "compete" with WWE instead of developing a strong wrestling program and building up star talent.
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