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frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

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First new gen 250 post! An '09 250R in Candy Thunder Blue to be exact.



I've only managed a few hundred miles so far in my almost two weeks of ownership, but that will be increasing greatly once I start riding 110 miles round trip in to work.

frozenphil fucked around with this message at 14:55 on Aug 6, 2009

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frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

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What do the rest of you J guys have your rear shock preload set at? I currently have mine at "3" and it has made a night and day difference from the stock "1" setting, even "2" felt like a world of difference. I'm debating on moving up to "4" as I think it may be just about perfect as it is, but I won't know until I try.

frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

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monkeynuts posted:

2009 250R - bought it new about a month ago. I followed the suggested break-in for all of one day... after that I decided to just ride it normally, varying the RPMs, etc.

As soon as I saw that 4k RPM in 6th gear was ~35mph I gave up even bothering with the break in procedure. I just try to keep the RPMs low and vary them as much as the long straight roads around here allow.

Which fender eliminator did you go with? Any problems with the install? Outside of a fender eliminator and a double bubble screen I don't really have any mods planned for mine. I just can't see paying $500 for an exhaust and $90 for a jet kit for 3hp and more noise. I plan on having a local tuner fix the lean spot once I get a few more break-in miles on the bike, but that's pretty much it for "power" mods. Any particular reason you want stainless brake lines?

frozenphil fucked around with this message at 18:29 on Aug 6, 2009

frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

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Anyone else with the J get IRC tires stock? I'm wondering if you're feeling them get squirmy after a half hour or so at 60-70mph. I'm not sure if it is my newbie self feeling the back end wander slightly due to wind or the tire, but it doesn't feel "right". Is that just part of riding a bike, part of riding a tiny bike, or is it wind or lovely tires?

frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

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Z3n posted:

What pressures are you running?

Stock, 28f/32r.

frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

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Newly paved highways (65mph limit 4 lane roads) which is why I am concerned. If they hadn't just repaved this part of the road I'd chalk it up to ruts.

frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

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blugu64 posted:

I don't think I'd ever paint my bike but if I did, I'd use glow in the dark paint, or cover it in reflective tape.

How about a nice white like Pikes Peak Pearl White (i.e. 350z white)?



frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

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I'm kinda digging the way the GSXR muffler looks and sounds and I bet you can pick them up pretty cheap from the loud pipes save lives squids. Ignore the riced out bike it is attached to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQz5o4o3CPk





It tucks nicely too.

frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

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Entreri posted:

Man, that looks freakin' amazing. About how much would a paint job like that run price wise?

I'd imagine you could get someone to do it for around $1500. If you did it yourself you'd be hard pressed to spend more than $300, assuming you already have the tools you need. As with all body work, labor is your big ticket item. Fortunately with motorcycles, there isn't much that has to stay on the bike that needs to be masked and the parts disassemble and reassemble quickly and easily.

Any competent body shop should be able to do that job inside of a weekend with good weather.

frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

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Resource posted:

I can't decide between a true boot which might be harder to walk in, and a riding shoe, which might offer less protection but could be used as a normal shoe.

sirbeefalot posted:

True riding boots are the only bit of gear I'm missing, and it scares me a little.

I love my Icon Superduty 3 boots. They are comfortable enough to wear around all day at work while providing a good deal of protection. You're not going to get the best ankle support in a comfortable to wear boot, but I think these make a solid compromise between comfort and protection.

frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

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NoCleverName posted:

How long does it take your Ninjettes to warm up?

I crank the bike, put on my gear, and go. I usually have a little hesitation as I'm pulling out of my driveway, but it clears up after a few seconds. I've only had to use the choke twice, and even then I only needed the choke while I put on my gear. Once I got on the bike I turned the choke off and rode away fine.

frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

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You guys wanted a 6" rear on your '08+ 250s, right? Apparently you can get a 210 series on the back now, this is a 190.



frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

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Upside Potential posted:

Im going to poo poo on your party and say that while the 2009 Ninja 250 is a cool bike... it loving sucks up the MSF U-Turn Box.

I can turn full lock u-turns on mine that, with counter-leaning, allow me to easily u-turn inside of a two parking space wide area.

frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

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CSi-NA-EJ7 posted:

My '90 250 got 70 mpg :smug: Forget newer bikes.

sectoidman posted:

You know, I've only ever gotten 70 mpg once or twice with either of my ninjas (both pre-2008), and the average is usually about 64 mpg.

The best I've done on my '09 was 49mpg. Do you guys ride like little old ladies or something? I guess never really being under 8k RPM, and normally zipping along at 10k RPM, isn't helping me...

frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

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KelvereseAysen posted:

I'm looking to get into biking, but my only riding experience is an old 100cc dirtbike some years back. I've been looking at getting a used and beat up Ninja to learn on cheap as well as taking any MSF courses, and maybe upgrading to something else later on if I find I enjoy it. Is this a good idea for starting out?

I think I should note that where I live is pretty rural - mostly long stretches of highway from point A to point B (15-35miles) with Speed Limits of 70-75mph, I don't have any really short commutes. My only concern is a Ninja 250 wouldn't have the oomph to keep up with the traffic very well. Being my major concern, it's pretty minor - our traffic here is laughable and pretty god drat sparse and I just don't want to get passed by county school buses.

I commute 110 miles round trip, 2/3 of which is highway where the average traffic speed is 70mph. I've never once had a problem leaving traffic behind me on my '09 250R. Sure, you aren't going to go rocketing past anyone from a 70mph roll, but you can get around them fast enough for safety.

frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

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the walkin dude posted:

I need to learn this weird-arse idle poo poo. :) Help me?

http://faq.ninja250.org/wiki/What_is_the_engine_idle_speed%3F_How_do_I_adjust_it%3F

frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

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the walkin dude posted:

Looked through that page... 1,300 rpm is the answer to my first question, but what about my funny fluctuating idle?

Are you setting your idle with the bike fully warmed up?

frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

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the walkin dude posted:

Yup, I've got NGK CR8HSA's in my hands. But the singular question I have is if the 5/8'' spark plug socket I got is the right one?

I know you got your answer, but did you really not think about, I don't know, putting a spark plug in the socket and seeing if it fit?

frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

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deliverator posted:

Can anybody recommend a slip-on or full exhaust for an 09 that's not horribly loud? I currently have a Two Brothers Racing carbon fiber slip-on that's really loud even with the add-on suppressor. It looks cool as hell but I feel awful subjecting the neighborhood to the noise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAbi7qLCcmg

Area P quiet core. I've heard many good things about them, mostly squids complaining about them not being loud enough and old people saying they are just right.

As to moving up in size, I still can't get anywhere near my 250's limits so I don't see a reason to upgrade. Once the bike has nothing left to offer me in the corners I'll probably move on to a Ducati mid size like the 848 or some such. Torque would be nice.

frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

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Methusulah posted:

So anyway, i'm basically looking for another 250. An '08 would be nice, but I'm really not picky, as long as it runs.

The ninja250.org classifieds are probably your best bet for a maintained example at a reasonable price.

frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

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Does anyone have any experience with re-valving the front shocks on the new gen 250Rs? I'd specifically like information about good aftermarket solutions. I'm getting tired of the front of the bike doing its best submarine impression whenever I even think about using the brakes. The drat thing will bottom out when I hit the brakes just walking the bike.

frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

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Resource posted:

Also, I think unrelated, but becoming annoying, is that I get inconsistent power at the low middle of the RPM range, right around 5 - 7k it comes in and out. Low and high RPMs seem fine. I'm pretty sure it developed recently, but I may be noticing it more as my riding style changes.

You'll need to peruse here; specifically here and here.

frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

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Resource posted:

Well the clutch cable adjustment sure was easy, but this jetting thing seems to be quite an undertaking. I guess I can hold off on finding people to ride with until I get these things sorted out.

Is it likely that the settings for the jetting got off or is it more likely the cold weather or something? I guess what I was hoping to know is, will I need to recalibrate the jetting again once it's warmer outside? If it'll work fine when it warms up I could just wait ("winter" in Texas is pretty short) but if it's still going to be a problem I might as well try to fix it now.

In any case, thanks again for pointing me in the right direction.

Welcome to carburetion! There's a reason the world has moved on to fuel injection. A better answer is, it depends. You can get it pretty close for all seasons with some futzing, but to get it right you need to adjust it for each season.

Once you set it you'll more than likely be fine since you live in Texas. The carbs are set wrong from the factory in order to pass emissions standards; they are really lean in the RPM range that gets tested, 4k to 7k RPM.

frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

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Shibaku posted:

My buddy bought a 250R a while ago and I brought it home from the dealer for him. It's tough when you get beat off the line by an SUV that didn't even know you wanted to race.

That, and the bike won't do clutchless upshifts.

After riding this bike once I no longer recommend it as a starter bike.

I'm sorry that you purchased a lemon, don't know how to ride, and or live in an area inhabited solely by people who drive modified SUVs. :(

frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

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Chill_Bebop posted:

I rode it "Energetically" meaning I revved the piss out of it, and at all points in the powerband it just felt woefully slow and underpowered. Quiet, too. Hell if i'm at 11k then gently caress I want to hear my engine.

You need to see a specialist about your deafness if you can't hear a 250 at 11k RPM. I can hear mine just fine at any RPM, even with my full face helmet and ear plugs. I guess I'm not into the whole squid/stunter/harley scene where a bike is too quiet if it doesn't inspire the local citizenry to enact laws regulating my exhaust's decibel output.

frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

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Chill_Bebop posted:

So you don't rev up your bike to get a big grin on your face? All I'm saying is that the 250 seemed really slow to rev and even when it got up there, didn't really seem like the engine was screaming too loud.

I'm pretty much never under 8k RPM when I'm on my bike; usually over 10k. I've never had a problem with the bike being slow to rev because I know to keep the bike in its powerband or else suffer the consequences of riding a 250.

Why do you want the engine to "scream loud"? It's a tiny parallel twin for god's sake, not a v8 or something that sounds good when revved up. Do you have a desire to piss off everyone around you or do you just not like keeping your hearing?

frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

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Ribsauce posted:

Alright bros, I bought the Ninja, rode it around for 20 minutes in my neighborhood, nothing seemed wrong. He did suggest I go get all the fluids checked and changed which I am planning on. About what should this run me? Is it easy to do myself? The tires look fine treadwise. What do I check to see if they are old?

Thanks for the help.

My dealer charges $110 to change oil and filter, check all other fluids, adjust and lube clutch and throttle if needed, and adjust, clean, and oil the chain. I'd imagine you could get all fluids changed on top of that for another hundred or so depending on parts price.

frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

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Ribsauce posted:

Do you think it would be a good idea to take it to the shop for the first time so some professionals can look at it then do the subsequent maintenance myself? I think that is what I am going to do. Like changing the oil or whatever, I can do that each future time, but I should probably get them looking at everything the first time to make sure there isn't anything which is a huge deal.

For those service manuals, its gonna cost me 70 total? Buy the main one then the one focused for my year? Or am I looking at it wrong?

edit
And the manual says 87 octane minimum? Is that what I should use? Any reason to put in premium?

I'd say that, in your case, having someone who knows what they are looking at check your bike out is probably a good idea. The only caveat to that would be make sure whoever looks it over for you is reputable.

If the manual calls for 87 octane then use 87 octane. You won't be doing anything but wasting money and creating some neat carbon fouling by using anything higher. This recommendation changes with aftermarket performance additions or tuning.

frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

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blugu64 posted:

Looks like you guys with the newer Ninja250s got yourselves a recall!
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/recalls/results.cfm?rcl_id=09V464&searchtype=quicksearch&summary=true&refurl=email

Last time I looked mine isn't leaking so I guess I'm cool.

frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

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Weinertron posted:

How is fuel economy and reliability between the pre-'08 and '08+?

My '09 250R gets around 60mpg now that it has a few thousand miles on it. Note that I am basically never under 8k RPM, and usually hang out around 10k RPM, in my ~100 mile daily commute.

blugu64 posted:

EDIT: and the old ones look better :colbert:

That fall crossed some wires in your brain, son.

MrKatharsis posted:

I rode a Ninja 250 AGAIN today. My feet and hands were buzzing at the end of the ~30 mile trip, but it was a pretty cool little bike. It really makes me want to sell my perpetually broken CB650 and buy a bike that actually works.

Beginner bike my rear end, these things rule!

My hands only felt buzzy for a few days, now they don't buzz at all even after riding all day. Basically, you get used to it.

frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

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That is most certainly Meow Mix, not dog food. Look at the shapes.

frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

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Would you guys think ill of me if I said I was dreaming about a bigger bike? I really would like a little more passing power at 70mph or so, where I spend the majority of my commute. It sucks being stuck behind some terrible drivers and having no good way to quickly get around them while at speed.

:(

frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

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Z3n posted:

See, this is why I always have to laugh when people start getting all uppity about how no one can really ride a 250 to it's limits, you don't need more power, blah blah blah.

Yeah, you don't need it, but you want it.

And if you want to, you should be able to open acorns with a sledgehammer, because that poo poo is fun. A 250 may be all you'll ever need, but I can just about promise you it'll never be all you ever want :parrot: We ride because bikes are fun and awesome, and there is just something amazing about having 1HP for every 10 pounds of bike and rider. Or maybe even 1HP for even fewer pounds. :D

Really I'm just a squid at heart. It's not that the little Ninja can't do my highway commute just fine, it's that I want to pass people at warp 5.

blugu64 posted:

Get on a diet fatty.

Wear a helmet in the parking lot, Corky.

frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

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What spools have you folks found that work on the new gen 250? I got a set for Christmas and they just don't fit right, even after chasing the threads.

frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

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God I want to paint my bike white after seeing this.



Edit: Why can't we get this, Kawasaki? WHY?!


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frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

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Cabledude posted:

More info please :love:

It's apparently a photoshop of ZX750/1000 parts onto a 250. :(

frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

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-Inu- posted:

Got this puppy sitting in my bedroom...haven't had a chance to put it on yet.









:flashfap:

You going up a tooth up front or just staying stock? I think I'm going to 15/41 when I need to change my chain. It would be nice to not sit at 10k RPM for over an hour on my commute.

frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

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-Inu- posted:

Yessir I'm going to try 15/45 and see how it works. I didn't want to change the gearing too much because as much as I would love the low rpms for my commuting, I bang the thing around in the mountains way too much to justify gearing for top speed.

I play in the mountains too. You can down shift, you know. ;)

Where did you order your sprockets from?

frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

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-Inu- posted:

It's mostly the loss of accel I'm worried about, since the 250 doesn't have much torque as it is.

Yeah, just down shift. It's not like the 250 can carve up the mountains in one gear anyway, so why not make it more pleasant for cruising?

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frozenphil
Mar 13, 2003

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-Inu- posted:

frozenphil, I'm not sure if I'd personally do 41 teeth or not. Based off the feel of 15/45, I think 15/41 would turn the bike into a total dog. I only took the bike out for a 5 minute ride around the block so I can't comment on how much different it feels during a long commute, but I think 15/45 might be enough of an rpm drop. If you do wind up going 15/41 please post a trip report though! I'm curious how the bike will feel with that gearing.

I'm thinking that I'm going to try 15/45 first and if it doesn't get me where I want to be I'll start creeping the rear down until it is where I want to be.

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