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BetterLekNextTime
Jul 22, 2008

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Grimey Drawer
Apologies if there was already a thread for this somewhere, but does anyone know anything about "light field cameras." I just saw an article about them- I don't know enough to start a real thread about this but I was hoping someone here might have some insight into performance/cost/size/memory, etc.

In short, they are billed as "shoot now, focus later." In other words, you can take the photo file, and in "post", select and change the focus point.

There is a gallery you can play with here:

http://www.lytro.com/picture_gallery

I'm sure there is some web-magic going on as well, but you click on different parts of the images and things at that distance come into focus.

I guess I'm just curious about them- how their resolution/dynamic range will be, what lenses will be like for these cameras, whether one has the same options in post, etc.

Seems too good to be true!

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BetterLekNextTime
Jul 22, 2008

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Grimey Drawer
I don't know, seems like it could eventually be really cool for macro work once they up the resolution a bit. I read a little more on Lytro's website and they are confident that it won't need to be "pick one thing to be in focus" but will have a way to process the images to be 100% in focus. They just don't have this function yet.

I could also see this being useful for facebook type photos- selective focus on the tagged person, etc.

Also would be good for security cams, trailmasters, I would think.

BetterLekNextTime
Jul 22, 2008

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Grimey Drawer

brad industry posted:

What about focus stacking? This seems like a problem that is already better solved on the post end.

You're totally correct, although I'd have to imagine that taking one photo would be easier than taking 60.

BetterLekNextTime
Jul 22, 2008

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Grimey Drawer

TLG James posted:

Is there a universal good waterproof camera or are waterproof cases the way to go for these things for other digital cameras.

I have no expertise in this, but my friends just bought a waterproof camera for a colleague for a wedding/honeymoon present. I looked at the most recent dpreview group test. We got the panasonic TS-3 since it seemed to be the best camera with the best underwater operation according to the review. I'll find out in January how he and his wife liked it.

You haven't given any details of what you want, so this is completely irrelevant if you want something for a dslr or for scuba diving...

BetterLekNextTime
Jul 22, 2008

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Grimey Drawer
So... I just accidentally dunked 3 sd cards and a card reader in warm tea for about 20-30 seconds. I wiped them off and have them sitting under a fan to try to dry them as best I can. Any chance they will still work? Is there any risk to putting them in a camera/card reader? None of them were super expensive or fancy and I had all the pics off of them.

BetterLekNextTime
Jul 22, 2008

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Grimey Drawer
Thanks. Hopefully they won't be ruined. Now I'm nervous about bringing my camera to the coast tomorrow, like this was foreshadowing for dropping my dslr in the water. :ohdear:

BetterLekNextTime
Jul 22, 2008

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Grimey Drawer
Yeah, I really should get some real insurance- the homeowners insurance wouldn't cover incidental damage.

I'm definitely taking the camera, don't worry. Will just have to figure out how to manage it if we rent kayaks.

BetterLekNextTime
Jul 22, 2008

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Grimey Drawer
You might even consider one of the independently-written extended manuals. I got my first DSLR a year and a half ago, and came into it with a fairly basic and rusty knowledge of photography from basic film SLR. I got the David Busch guide for my camera, and found it WAY more helpful than the manual. A lot more context for not only what the camera can do, but why you might want to do it. Most of them have basic chapters on things like shutter speed-aperture-ISO, flash photography, etc. Plus the illustrations are usually a lot easier to understand. I'm sure some people here would argue that all the information is in the manual so why buy another book, but I found forking over the extra $20 really helped me have a lot more fun with the $X00 camera I'd just bought.

BetterLekNextTime
Jul 22, 2008

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Grimey Drawer

QPZIL posted:

I'm sorry, what?

Big fuzzy windscreen for the mic (I think). We always called them dead bunnies.

BetterLekNextTime
Jul 22, 2008

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Grimey Drawer

eBay Embryos posted:

I wish it was this simple.

I don't know where you are at, but they would have them at birding stores (Wild Birds Unlimited type of places that sell field guides and bird feeders and such), also likely at hunting stores if they carry binoculars or scopes. Possibly at general outdoors stores like REI but if you have one of those you probably have a Best Buy.

BetterLekNextTime
Jul 22, 2008

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Grimey Drawer
Photoshop takes longer when one of your hands is already busy?

BetterLekNextTime
Jul 22, 2008

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Grimey Drawer

micron posted:


I'm looking at shooting very fast automated packaging equipment and trying to do some troubleshooting on the equipment. This camera did have a cool feature though which I'm not sure of the name. When the bug\gripe came up he hit a button and the equipment would be able to display the actions of the equipment 30 seconds before the button was pressed, (think DVR). My guess is it would be called continuous recording?

Are there any pro model high speed cameras for a few grand and not 10's of thousands? I've seen a few Casio's but I'm not sure they would perform for what I'm looking for. The part I'm looking at revolves around 500 RPM.

Not sure of the answer- I know there are some specialized vendors who sell that sort of stuff. Maybe something like this. My lab has a (now ancient) Kodak crash test camera. I think it can go up to 1000fps, and continuous recording with a 3 second buffer- it records real time until you trigger the high speed, then either plays back the next or preceeding 3 seconds at the higher frame rate.

One time we tried a colleagues super-old-school high-speed vhs- when you wanted high speed it basically revved up the VCR faster and faster. Super loud, plus no real-time feedback of what you were shooting. Not awesome.

BetterLekNextTime
Jul 22, 2008

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Grimey Drawer

micron posted:

What exactly is this feature called. I think I heard the rep say something like "constant buffering" or "constant recording" I'll buy a cheap camera version of this for fault finding on the the production floor. Sometimes issue with the equipment don't show up but once a day. It makes troubleshooting the issue very time consuming. I maybe better with some sort of security camera that I can roll back maybe.

I remember seeing a kickstarter for this, looks like it is a real thing now. ~$6k.

From their website- looks like you can call it "Continuous Capture"
:

Edgertonic posted:

While running, the edgertronic is constantly capturing frames of high-speed video into an internal buffer. Depending on frame size and frame rate, this buffer contains, at a minimum, the last 8 seconds of video. When a trigger occurs, video before and/or after the trigger is captured and compressed into H.264 video and saved to a removable SD card.

Continuous capture into a this large buffer allows the user to trigger the edgertronic even after an event has occurred. Unpredictable events, like a lightning bolt, are captured with ease.

Once the video is saved, it can be downloaded to the computer, or replayed in the web browser. Alternately, you can remove the SD card and download the videos to their computer or laptop.

BetterLekNextTime
Jul 22, 2008

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Grimey Drawer
This also sounds a bit like Meet your neighbors

BetterLekNextTime
Jul 22, 2008

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Grimey Drawer

tau posted:

I currently have a 30D and I'm trying to decide if I should get a 70D or if I should save up more and go to a full-frame model and lenses next. Most of my photography revolves around landscapes and sometimes wildlife, and I have done some photoshoots with friends (mostly with their pets). Beyond photoshoot prints I offer friends and family, I'm also hoping to sell prints of my non-client-specific photos (i.e., mostly landscape and wildlife). My goal for the coming year is to travel more (a trip to Colombia is in the works) and hopefully get more experience with portraiture as well.

My initial thought is to go with the 70D and get more experienced with it first. Is there an advantage to jumping to full-frame at this point?

What lenses do you already have? The 6D is a great camera but if you currently have ef-s (crop sensor only) lenses you'll need to upgrade those. Also, keep in mind the 6D is not a wildlife camera first, particularly when paired with a 300mm lens.

BetterLekNextTime
Jul 22, 2008

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Grimey Drawer
State Farm wouldn't cover me because of "professional use" - even though I don't sell prints I sometimes use the equipment for my job (biologist). I keep meaning to try my car insurance company. I wouldn't mind paying a little for an extra policy, because it would really suck if my gear got stolen out of my car or some such.

I don't think it's unreasonable that the insurance company have your records of purchase, serial numbers, etc. If you've ordered things online it's not really that hard to make a .pdf of your receipts and snap a quick photo of all the equipment.

BetterLekNextTime
Jul 22, 2008

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Grimey Drawer

Erwin posted:


Separately I'm going to Yellowstone and Glacier National Park next week (day hiking and staying in lodges). I have a tripod, the Big Stopper, my normal range of lenses, and a new 150-600mm Sigma to snap a few final pictures as the bear closes in on me. Anything else I'm not thinking of that I'll wish I'd had on this trip?

Snacks. Lots of snacks.

Also pretty obvious, but make sure you have more memory cards than you think you'll need.
I've been to some lodges around there that have fewer than the ideal number of power outlets, so not a bad idea to pack a 2-prong to 3-prong plug adapter and maybe a small power strip.

My thoughts from my last trip to Yellowstone:
- I liked my mid-day 'landscapes with clouds and blue sky' photos from my phone better than my camera much of the time.
- It was my first time there with a 2nd body- I liked the convenience of having a 70-300 for a walk around and then another camera with either my UWA or 150-600 (which I typically just used near the car). Certainly not necessary but it saved me a lot of lens changes.
- Be ready to move with your tripod if you're at a bear jam and the bear starts to move.

Have fun- those are both amazing places to visit.

BetterLekNextTime
Jul 22, 2008

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Grimey Drawer
Just curious- what would people turn to if/when Yahoo/Flickr die? Fotki or Smugmug?

BetterLekNextTime
Jul 22, 2008

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Grimey Drawer
Canon G7X is 24-100 equivalent, and is a pretty good camera- it might be worth a look if you are thinking about the RX100. It wouldn't fit in tight pants though.

BetterLekNextTime
Jul 22, 2008

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Grimey Drawer
I'm trying to decide between a 70-300 and 400 for the eclipse, and leaning towards the 70-300 because of the flexibility. The sun is going to be pretty high at totality where I am so I may not be able to position anything useful nearby in frame, but maybe I'll get lucky. Also fewer times I have to recompose with 300 vs. 400. I'm flying so will probably just bring one lens for this. Not going to try the multiple exposure time lapse stuff.

I'm all for encouraging people to experience things directly rather than 3rd hand through instagram fellatio, but a) you're going to be looking at a screen/projection or through filters anyway, and b) the whole eclipse process takes a long rear end time to complete, so there's a lot of time before and after totality to play around. Just take a few breaths during totality and enjoy it. It takes some pressure off knowing that a lot of pros will be photographing the same thing- if for some reason I mess something at totality, I'll probably let it go rather than stressing through the whole totality period.

BetterLekNextTime
Jul 22, 2008

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Grimey Drawer
Don't you need a pilot's license to use them professionally, or is that just fixed-wing drones?

BetterLekNextTime
Jul 22, 2008

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Grimey Drawer
I hadn't heard about that mapping technique- cool! My colleagues use laser scanning from drones, also spectral imaging, but I hadn't heard about the fine scale mapping like that.

The field site photos you are describing aren't really primary data, so my guess is you could get pretty shots of your site without much hassle provided drone use in general wasn't a problem. You should expect to provide permit/license numbers if you are collecting data though.

This wouldn't be as fun as having a drone to play with permanently, but I'm wondering if you could hire someone for a few hours to get the photos you want? I definitely agree with you that it would be perfect for conference/job talks.

e: I'm actually OK with no drones in national parks. Maybe they can make some designated drone-ok areas, but until we know more about how they multiply human disturbance, I'm kind of glad they got ahead of this before people were having drone battles in yosemite valley or pestering raptor nests 85 times a day.

BetterLekNextTime fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Sep 28, 2017

BetterLekNextTime
Jul 22, 2008

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Grimey Drawer
Execudork- that situation sucks. I see why you're not eager to contract out.

BetterLekNextTime
Jul 22, 2008

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Grimey Drawer
Chiming in to agree about the 18mm being enough for most cases. I've had a lot of fun with an ultrawide on a crop (Sigma 8-16) but it is primarily useful for landscapes when a) you have a *lot* of crazy clouds you want to be the focus of your shot, or b) you want to feature something in the foreground. Not that these are great photos but just some examples...

Ultrawide "standard" landscape- kinda boring (could be cropped as mentioned above)
Yellowstone2012 226 on Flickr

Ultrawide with poo poo in the foreground
Grand Prismatic Spring-6020 on Flickr


Ultrawide with clouds
Grand Prismatic Spring-6007 on Flickr

Yellowstone2012 242 on Flickr

BetterLekNextTime fucked around with this message at 20:27 on Oct 18, 2017

BetterLekNextTime
Jul 22, 2008

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Grimey Drawer
You make a good point. Yeah, that was from a few years ago- I don't think I would do that again. I'll remove it.

BetterLekNextTime
Jul 22, 2008

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Grimey Drawer
It doesn't seem like a good thing to encourage or glamorize. Plus I'm a wildlife biologist and this doesn't reflect how I normally behave.

BetterLekNextTime
Jul 22, 2008

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Grimey Drawer
Speaking of setting up a side photography business, are there any SF Bay Area goons who could recommend a CPA/Tax lawyer/business specialist who could do a (paid) consulting session to advise on getting started. I've done some reading on line and I think I get the basic parts (EIC, DBA, etc) but it would be great to talk about what my plans are and make sure I'm on the right track. If it matters, this is mainly for sales rather than event/portrait photography services. Feel free to PM suggestions if don't want to share publicly.

BetterLekNextTime
Jul 22, 2008

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Grimey Drawer

President Beep posted:

Thanks for the info, everyone. Those mark Is can be had mega-cheap on Amazon used, but I think xzzy sums it up best. I'll probably settle my sights back on the 80D.

That being said, I might check out a first gen. 6D, while I'm looking...

I love my 6D, but if you are doing this in part for action photography you'll be better off with the 80D. I shoot a lot of wildlife with my 6D and everything, and I mean everything, is center AF point focus, recompose. This can take you pretty far but eventually you'll want something with more than 9 AF points.

BetterLekNextTime
Jul 22, 2008

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Grimey Drawer
What actually happens to a camera that is refurbished? Maybe a 7D refurb from canon could last another 10 years?

BetterLekNextTime
Jul 22, 2008

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Grimey Drawer
I'm planning to launch a small side business for wildlife/landscape photography soon. The planning has been super scary and fun at the same time. I've got a few goals (not necessarily ranked)
- Make a little money to buy new gear
- Finally get more into post and printing
- Carve out creative/outdoor time as I transition to an office job
- Do something business-y

Internet Junky- I've been snooping on your sites as I've been planning. Not sure if I'll do Etsy because I'm going to start mainly with photo cards and the fees to post things seem like they'd eat too much into the margin.

There are SO many photographers in the Bay Area but I think I've got a plan to differentiate myself in terms of marketing and subjects.

BetterLekNextTime
Jul 22, 2008

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Grimey Drawer

InternetJunky posted:

By "post" do you mean actual postage or the listing fee? Etsy only charges 20 cents per listing so it's actually a pretty decent place to start selling for a low cost. Regardless, best of luck on your venture!

Thanks! Is it only 20 cents? I'll need to check on that- I thought it was at least 35 cents. I also didn't like how they make you re-list items after a few months. I was also looking into Square Space. I have a smug mug page that's currently hidden but I hope to use that as my main portfolio site.

I printed up some packs of cards as xmas gifts to family in December a sort of a dry run. You never think about the backs of the cards. One of my family members had a suggestion to check out some of the Robin Williams books on graphic design, and my father in law just gave me a memory stick filled with about 10 gb of fonts. Now there's a rabbit hole I didn't think I'd be diving down, but it's also really exciting to learn this stuff and apply it to my work.

BetterLekNextTime
Jul 22, 2008

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Grimey Drawer

xzzy posted:

There are storage device appliances that directly solve the problem of doing "in the field" backups. Not endorsing this one, but it should give you a place to start searching:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1191264-REG/sanho_shdcsudma3000_casing_only_for_udma.html

Due to the price it's a real tough call whether to get one of these or skip straight to a laptop, but the option is there if weight/size ends up being an issue.

I feel like they are gouging you on the HDs with these. You should be able to get your own drives for a lot less than the kits B&H shows. We used (I think) an earlier version of these on a research project- collecting 1 or 2 SD cards full of video from several cameras per day that we had to back daily so we could wipe the cards before the next morning, and this would be more compact and require fewer power plugs than a laptop+external HDs. They worked ok- reliability seemed fine although I think we had one or two where the power circuits in the case broke. Navigating the menus and typing folder names with only up-down-left-right got pretty annoying. Not sure I'd recommend but I they worked OK.

BetterLekNextTime
Jul 22, 2008

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Grimey Drawer
Well poo poo, I guess that makes sense. I had a Wimberly plate on the lens on mine so had to attach the black rapid to the body.

Anyway, congrats on the lens! You are going to have a blast.

BetterLekNextTime
Jul 22, 2008

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Grimey Drawer
Noob questions about display calibration: I bought a ColorMunki Display months (years?) ago when it was on a B&H Dealzone sale and I finally got it out today to give it a try.

I calibrated my Asus S271HL on advanced mode and my 15"MBP Retina screen on easy mode. For both of them, I checked out the "here's the difference before/after" on their sample photos. For both monitors, the images seemed less contrasty and a little redder after calibration. I guess that's what was supposed to happen but I think I like the pre-calibration better. I know display accuracy =/= esthetic appeal but I just figured I'd make sure I didn't do something dumb and re-edit a bunch of photos.

Also, for the Asus, it had me drop the brightness WAY down, like to around 10/100. Is that normal?

BetterLekNextTime
Jul 22, 2008

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Grimey Drawer

Wild EEPROM posted:

Yes

Your monitor should be super dim and not like the sun


alkanphel posted:

Sometimes it depends on the brightness of your environment but generally editing is done on dimmer screens that normal.

Thanks!

BetterLekNextTime
Jul 22, 2008

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Grimey Drawer

Pondex posted:

Are there any good documentaries about photography available online/on youtube?

I'm teaching a photography-class and this week is intro to the darkroom. The darkroom only fits half the class though, so I need something to keep the other half occupied for 45-60 min.

They are almost all beginners so some kind of exercise could work but I'm drawing a blank on that right now.

Looks like there are a few Ansel Adams docs on YouTube.

BetterLekNextTime
Jul 22, 2008

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Grimey Drawer
This summer I finally started using my colormunki and creating a color profile for my Asus monitor. All seemed good. In the past week or two it has been way off from where it was before. I re-made the profile and the same thing is happening. It seems way brighter and more red/orange, so if I edit to fix this then view on anything else (laptop, phone, wife's laptop or work computer), photos come out a little green and drabber than I want. I didn't knowingly change anything on my computer and or my work environment and don't really know where to start for troubleshooting. Any ideas?

BetterLekNextTime
Jul 22, 2008

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Grimey Drawer

Popelmon posted:

Do you have the Night Light feature in Windows activated? That fucks with color temperature when it gets dark outside.

Thanks for the suggestion. I'm on a Mac but I think I remember a similar option somewhere.

BetterLekNextTime
Jul 22, 2008

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Grimey Drawer
Anyone ever had problems with Bay Photo? I set up an account a few weeks ago and I've now tried and failed twice for an order of paper samples to go through. Just wondering if this is normal for them or whether I need to use a different browser or something.

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BetterLekNextTime
Jul 22, 2008

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Grimey Drawer
ahahaha now when the order didn't go through, one customer support person fixed the existing order and another support agent placed a new order. Luckily one hadn't been fully processed so they didn't both ship and they were able to cancel one of them.

Not really a big deal, I'm just impatient to try out some prints.

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