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Heck Yes! Loam!
Nov 15, 2004

a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.

faustcf posted:

My mom's family is always sending her these emails for some reason. I'm not even sure how to take this one.

Don't you get it, HE'S BLACK and Mount Rushmore (an everyone on it) is white.

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Douginc
Mar 25, 2009

faustcf posted:

My mom's family is always sending her these emails for some reason. I'm not even sure how to take this one.

Did Obama becoming elected somehow make racism LESS inappropriate?

One would think that a brilliant African American becoming elected to our highest office would lower disrespect towards black people. Instead, racist jokes have come out in full force. I know, of course there's always been racism, but now it seems people from all walks of life are throwing out stupid jokes, people who you normally wouldn't even expect.

What I hate is how every person I meet who is racist is so drat proud to admit it, and automatically assumes I must be as well. If I got that poo poo in an email from a family member, there would be a phone call immediately upon reading. I am canceling our family Christmas.

Disco Duck
Jul 30, 2004

by mons noobis

Douginc posted:

Did Obama becoming elected somehow make racism LESS inappropriate?

One would think that a brilliant African American becoming elected to our highest office would lower disrespect towards black people. Instead, racist jokes have come out in full force. I know, of course there's always been racism, but now it seems people from all walks of life are throwing out stupid jokes, people who you normally wouldn't even expect.

What I hate is how every person I meet who is racist is so drat proud to admit it, and automatically assumes I must be as well. If I got that poo poo in an email from a family member, there would be a phone call immediately upon reading. I am canceling our family Christmas.

The election agitated a lot of racism in the US, I even read an interview with a high-ranking KKK member who said that Obama was a great thing for the white-supremacy movement, as it brought the changing racial dynamic to a public stage and encouraged racists to be more vocal.

I got that email before the election by the way.

Vilerat
May 11, 2002

quote:

Subject: Fw: OBAMA'S FIRST SIX MONTHS' ACCOMPLISHMENTS.. READ IT AND WEEP

> Obama's First
> Six Months' Accomplishments
>
> 1. Offended the Queen of England.
> 2. Bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia..
> 3. Praised the Marxist Daniel Ortega.
> 4. Kissed Socialist Hugo Chavez on the cheek.
> 5. Endorsed the Socialist Evo Morales of Bolivia.
> 6. Sided with Hugo Chavez and Communist Fidel Castro against Honduras.
> 7. Announced we would meet with Iranians with no pre-conditions while they're building their nuclear weapons.
> 8. Gave away billions to AIG also without pre-conditions.
> 9. Expanded the bailouts.
> 10. Insulted everyone who has ever loved a Special Olympian.
> 11. Doubled our national debt.
> 12. Announced the termination of our new missile defense system the day after North Korea launched an ICBM.
> 13. Released information on U.S. intelligence gathering despite urgings of his own CIA director and the prior four CIA directors.
> 14. Accepted without comment that five of his cabinet members cheated on their taxes and two other nominees withdrew after they couldn't take the heat.
> 15. Appointed a Homeland Security Chief who identified military veterans and abortion opponents as "dangers to the nation."
> 16. Ordered that the word "terrorism" no longer be used and instead refers to such acts as "man made disasters."
> 17. Circled the globe to publicly apologize for America's world leadership.
> 18. Told the Mexican president that the violence in their country was because of us.
> 19. Politicized the census by moving it into the White House from the Department of Commerce.
> 20. Appointed as Attorney General the man who orchestrated the forced removal and expulsion to Cuba of a 9-year-old whose mother died trying to bring him to freedom in the United States.
> 21. Salutes as heroes three Navy SEALS who took down three terrorists who threatened one American life and the next day announces members of the Bush
> administration may stand trial for "torturing" three 9/11 terrorists by pouring water up their noses.
> 22. Low altitude photo shoot of Air Force One over New York City that frightened thousands of New Yorkers.
> 23. Sent his National Defense Advisor to Europe to assure them that the US will no longer treat Israel in a special manner and they might be on their own with the Muslims.
> 24. Praised Jimmy Carter's trip to Gaza where he sided with terrorist Hamas against Israel.
> 25. Nationalized General Motors and Chrysler while turning shareholder control over to the unions and freezing out retired investors who owned their bonds. Committed unlimited taxpayer billions in the process.
> 26. Passed a huge energy tax in the House that will make American industry even less competitive while costing homeowners thousands per year.
> 27. Announced nationalized health care "reform" that will strip seniors of their Medicare, cut pay of physicians, increase taxes yet another $1 trillion, and put everyone on rationed care with government bureaucrats deciding who gets care and who doesn't. (See cartoon.)
>

> Bloomberg: Daschle says, "Health care reform will not be pain free. Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them," while former Colorado Governor Dick Lamm says seniors have "a duty to die." If this does not sufficiently raise your ire, just remember that the President, Senators and Congressmen have their own special gold plated health care plan which is guaranteed the remainder of their lives and they are not subject to this new law if they pass it.
>
> Please use the power of the Internet to get this message out. Talk it up at the grassroots level. We have an election coming up in one year and four months
> where we can reverse the dangerous direction of the Obama administration and its allies. In the interim, we can make their lives miserable.
> Lets do it!
>
> If you disagree, don't do anything.
>
> WAKE UP AMERICA... IF WE DON'T START DOING SOMETHING IT WILL BE FAR FAR TOO LATE.

chesh
Apr 19, 2004

That was terrible.

the posted:

I don't think I'd ever speak to my parents if they were diehard conservatives.

My Dad and I can really get in to it, but we have to have a few drinks in us. We each respect the other, if not their opinion. And also I can google really fast and prove him wrong 9 times out of 10. So it ends civilly, with me thinking him senile and he thinking I'm a hippy or something.

But he knows better than to send me forwards of anything.

Thanks for the birthday suggestions, guys. They're great.

the
Jul 18, 2004

by Cowcaster
I never really encounter people who go the other way. Are there Christian Conservative children who have Atheist Liberal parents?

Happy Thread
Jul 10, 2005

by Fluffdaddy
Plaster Town Cop

the posted:

I never really encounter people who go the other way. Are there Christian Conservative children who have Atheist Liberal parents?

Strongly doubt it, at least not in amounts that compare.

Dr. Tough
Oct 22, 2007

the posted:

I never really encounter people who go the other way. Are there Christian Conservative children who have Atheist Liberal parents?

Wasn't there a sitcom about that in the 80's?

pantslesswithwolves
Oct 28, 2008

Ba-dam ba-DUMMMMMM

Disco Duck posted:

:siren:DISCLAIMER: I DO NOT BELIEVE A WORD OF THIS:siren:

I'm a little nervous about posting this, even if the intention is to show how crazy the email is. This is what white people in the United States actually think, and they do not believe any of this makes them racist. It probably goes without saying, but Mike Richards didn't actually say any of this.

Not only that, but Michael Richards didn't break any laws and therefore never went to court over ANYTHING like this.

But not like a little thing like the truth will ever dissuade the RE:FWD:FWD:FWD crowd.

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



Dr. Tough posted:

Wasn't there a sitcom about that in the 80's?

Family Ties.

His Poor Pancreas
Feb 5, 2004

Binary Logic posted:

I don't know enough about Obama's health care reform to contribute if that's what the fake chain letter is going to be.
But here's a goofy, poinltess one I received last week.

I got a variation of that one...

crazy rear end co-worker posted:

Teaching Math In 1950s
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is 4/5 of the price. What is his profit ?

Teaching Math In 1960s
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is 4/5 of the price, or $80. What is his profit?


Teaching Math In 1970s
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is $80. Did he make a profit?


Teaching Math In 1980s
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is $80 and his profit is $20. Your assignment: Underline the number 20.


Teaching Math In 1990s
A logger cuts down a beautiful forest because he is selfish and inconsiderate and cares nothing for the habitat of animals or the preservation of our woodlands. He does this so he can make a profit of $20. What do you think of this way of making a living? Topic for class participation after answering the question: How did the birds and squirrels feel as the logger cut down their homes? (There are no wrong answers, and if you feel like crying, it's ok. )


Teaching Math In 2009
Un hachero vende una carretada de maderapara $100. El costo de la producciones es $80. Cuanto dinero ha hecho?


Math In Year 2010:

Who cares, just steal the lumber from your rich neighbor's Property, he won't have a gun to stop you, and the President says its OK anyway cuz its redistributing the wealth, forget about the math.

I like how the last example laments his inability to shoot his lower class neighbor for stealing his wood.

Owlofcreamcheese
May 22, 2005
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
Buglord

Carl E. Sagan posted:

I got a variation of that one...


I like how the last example laments his inability to shoot his lower class neighbor for stealing his wood.

The best part is that apparently when it switches to Spanish it also reverts to the apparently better teaching model of the 1960s.

merchant_x
Dec 29, 2000
Will choke to death for food.
Nap Ghost
Since Snopes was mentioned earlier up the thread I'll go ahead and post this one I got from my dad this week.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
And you believe that SNOPES is the final word on the authenticity of any circulating statements???? Then think again.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Wolf


I've always suspected Snopes had a political agenda.....too many times they have gone out of their way to protect Obama and other democrats. I have also heard that Wikipedia is ran by liberals also. We are being outgunned on the web.




Check this out.

For the past few years https://www.snopes.com has positioned itself, or others have labeled it as the 'tell-all, final word' on any comment, claim and e-mail.


But for several years people tried to find out who exactly was behind snopes.com. Only recently did Wikipedia get to the bottom of it - kinda makes you wonder what they were hiding. Well, finally we know. It is run by a husband and wife team - that's right, no big office of investigators and researchers, no team of lawyers. It's just a mom-and-pop operation that began as a hobby.

David and Barbara Mikkelson in the San Fernando Valley of California started the website about 13 years ago - and they have no formal background or experience in investigative research. After a few years it gained popularity believ ing it to be unbiased and neutral, but over the past couple of years people started asking questions who was behind it and did they have a selfish motivation? The reason for the questions - or skepticisms - is a result of snopes.com claiming to have the bottom line facts to certain questions or issues, when in fact, they have been proven wrong. Also, there were criticisms the Mikkelsons were not really investigating and getting to the 'true' bottom of various issues.


When I saw that Snopes had falsely claimed that Obama's Birth Certificate had been properly validated, I realized something was wrong with either their research and/or their credibility. It seems something is seriously wrong with both.

Then a few months ago, when my State Farm agent Bud Gregg in Mandeville hoisted a political sign referencing Barack Obama and made a big splash across the Internet, supposedly the Mikkelson's claim to have researched this issue before posting their findings on snopes.com. In their statement they claimed the corporate office of State Farm pressured Gregg into taking down the sign, when in fact nothing of the sort ever took place.

I personally contacted David Mikkelson (and he replied back to me) thinking he would want to get to the bottom of this, and I gave him Bud Gregg's contact phone numbers. Bud was going to give him phone numbers to the big exec's at State Farm in Illinois who would have been willing to speak with him about it. He never called Bud. In fact, I learned from Bud Gregg no one from snopes.com ever contacted anyone with State Farm. Yet snopes.com issued a statement as the 'final factual word' on the issue as if they did all their homework and got to the bottom of things. Not!

Then it has been learned the Mikkelson's are very Democrat and extremely liberal. As we all now know from this presidential election, liberals have a purpose agenda to discredit anything that appears to be conservative. There has been much criticism lately over the Internet with people pointing out the Mikkelson's liberalism revealing itself in their website findings. Gee, what a shock!

So, I say this now to everyone who goes to https://www.snopes.com to get what they think to be the bottom line facts: Proceed with caution. Take what it says at face value and nothing more. Use it only to lead you to their references where you can link to and read the sources for yourself. Plus, you can always Google a subject and do the research yourself. It now seems apparent that's all the Mikkelson's do. After all, I can personally vouch from my own experience for their 'not' fully looking into things.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snopes.com



------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I don't know who Bill Wolf is but his added commentary before he forwarded was particularly amusing to me.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

Sword of Chomsky posted:

Don't you get it, HE'S BLACK and Mount Rushmore (an everyone on it) is white.

That's funny, they haven't even finished sculpting those 100 tons of dogshit into Bush's face yet.

Vilerat posted:

Dumbfuck e-mail

Feel free to c/p and make family-friendly edits.

1: At least he was diplomatic.
2: Bush held hands with him.
3: Bush took Libya off the terrorist states list (timely and relevant to the current situation, I bet they're all fired up about the Lockerbie bomber's release)
4: Bush held hands with the king of Saudi Arabia.
5: Bolivia is better off now than they were before his election, how about that?
6: Because there was a military coup in Honduras. Only crazy people support a military coup.
7: Iranians are too busy controlling riots in their own country, not to mention that everyone who said a peep about Iran building nukes was bent on war with them.
8: This happened in 2008, under Bush's watch.
9: This was signed by Bush to take effect under the Obama administration.
10: Bush insulted anyone who has ever opened a thesaurus.
11: By putting the Iraq war on the books instead of unrecorded spending. Bush tripled it during his term.
12: If by "ICBM" you mean "dud that crashed in the water after a few hundred miles of flight"
13: Valerie Plane would like to speak with you re: released intelligence information.
14: At least they were qualified with experience in the areas over which they were nominated for oversight. Michael Brown would like to speak with you about this as well.
15: That classification was the result of a study ordered and started under the Bush administration. Unlike most things from Bush, this was somewhat correct.
16: Complete bullshit.
17: Complete bullshit.
18: Only someone with a gomer brain would interpret "Drug money from the US being used to bankroll gangs" as "It's our fault."
19: That's funny, because the Census Bureau is still part of the Dept. of Commerce. Besides, if he wanted to, he can because he's the decider. And The President. If you wanted to do something about it, maybe you should have won the 2008 election.
20: So you're now against exporting illegals? You must hate America.
21: So you would prefer we weren't killing terrorists? Geez, exactly how much DO you hate America?
22: Wasn't even his call. He wasn't in the plane. The individual who orchestrated it was fired.
23: Not even Israel would believe this lie.
24: Jimmy Carter has never and will never side with Hamas. He made a comment on the collateral damage.
25: You would have preferred Toyota buy them out? You must hate GM, a distinctly American car brand, and by proxy, America.
26: Something even Newt Gingrich thought was a fair idea. And, it won't cost homeowners a dime.
27: :lol: Medicare is government healthcare, paid for by taxpayers. Lamenting its loss would be you (an America-hating, terorrist-loving socialist) lamenting government-run, bureaucrat-run healthcare, ergo, you're a BIG FAT SOCIALIST
Bloomberg quote: Actually Daschle never said anything even remotely close to this fact. He was quoting someone else, and half of the quote you pulled out of your rear end was actually from Betsy McCaughey - Here's the quote from Daschle's book where he quotes David Mechanic of Rutgers University: "more and more of what were once seen as social, behavioral, or normative aspects of every day life, or as a normal process of aging, are now framed in a medical context. ... Whether wrinkles, breasts, or buttocks, impotence or social anxieties, or inattention in school, they all have become grist for the medical mill." It's actually speaking about medical companies trying to devise pills that take care of everything, with side effects that can be worse than the symptoms they're trying to treat.

So, if you were an upstanding citizen and actually decided to look up the lines of BS someone sent you in an e-mail, you'd come up with something like what I'm sending you. Unfortunately, you choose to believe whatever you feel like believing, instead of facing reality. Your inability to do so is why the Republican party is such a stark minority in all houses of federal government.

FAUXTON fucked around with this message at 06:47 on Aug 22, 2009

Kugyou no Tenshi
Nov 8, 2005

We can't keep the crowd waiting, can we?

That Article posted:

FactCheck reviewed a sample of Snopes' responses to political rumors regarding George W. Bush, Sarah Palin and Barack Obama, and found them to be free from bias in all cases.
Yet another case of "if they'd clicked the link; they'd realize that the site doesn't agree with the e-mail".

CosplayPeterNorth
Jun 29, 2006
Not forwarded or anything. Just simply and depressingly idiotic...

quote:

From: Dad
To: CosplayPeterNorth
Date: Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 4:30 PM
Subject: Higher Education

-----------------

Just some more proof that shoes how often the "prevailing wisdom", blessed by many, can be so utterly incorrect.

A valuable lesson...

http://www.petitionproject.org/index.php

Ortsacras
Feb 11, 2008
12/17/00 Never Forget

CosplayPeterNorth posted:

Not forwarded or anything. Just simply and depressingly idiotic...

Why can the folks who forward these emails not ONCE manage to do it without making any basic spelling errors?

Vilerat
May 11, 2002

quote:

Subject : A soldier on Michael Jackson






A soldier on Michael Jackson Is this ever a breath of fresh air!!!



-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Yes, Michael Jackson did pass away a week ago,
...and so did:
Army SSG Paul G Smith, 43, of East Peoria, IL
Army SSG Joshua A Melton, 26, of Carlyle, IL
Army SPC Chancellor A Keesling, 25, of Indianapolis, IN
Navy MCPO Jeffrey J Garber, 43, of Hemingford, NE
Army 1SG John D Blair, 38, of Calhoun, GA
Army SGT Ricky D Jones, 26, of Plantersville, AK
Army SGT Rodr igo A Munguia Rivas, 27, of Germantown, MD
Army SPC Casey L Hills, 23, of Salem, IL
Army 1LT Brian N Bradshaw, 24, of Steilacoom, WA
Army SPC Joshua L Hazlewood, 22, of Manvel, TX
***********

This is written by a young soldier serving his third tour of duty in
Iraq. Thought you might find his take on the Michael Jackson news
interesting.
"Okay, I need to rant.

I was just watching the news, and I caught part of a report on
0AMichael Jackson. As we all know, Jackson died the other day . He was
an entertainer who performed for decades. He made millions, he spent
millions, and he did a lot of things that make him a villain to many
people. I understand that his death would affect a lot of people, and
I respect those people who mourn his death, but that isn't the point
of my rant.

Why is it that when ONE man dies, the whole of America loses their
minds with grief. When a man dies whose only contribution to the
country was to ENTERTAIN people, the Amercian people find the need to
flock to a memorial in Hollywood , and even Congress sees the need to
hold a "moment of silence" for his passing?

Am I missing something here? ONE man dies, and all of a sudden he's a
freaking martyr because he entertained us for a few decades? What
about all those SOLDIERS who have died to give us freedom? All those
Soldiers who, knowing that they would be asked to fight in a war,
still raised their hands and swore to defend the Constitution and the
United States of America. Where is their moment of silence? Where are
the people flocking to their graves or memorials and mourning over
them because they made the ultimate sacrifice? Why is it when a
Soldier dies, there are more people saying "good riddence," and
"thank God for IEDs?" When did this country become so calloused to
the sacrifice of GOOD MEN and WOMEN, that they can arbitrarily blow
off their deaths, and instead, throw themselves into mourning for a
"Pop Icon?"

I think that if they are going to hold a moment of silence IN
CONGRESS for Michael Jackson, they need to hold a moment of silence
for every service member killed in Iraq and Afghanistan . They need to
PUBLICLY recognize every life that has been lost so that the American
people can live their callous li ttle lives in the luxury and freedom
that WE, those that are living and those that have gone on, have
provided for them. But, wait, that would take too much time, because
there have been so many willing to make that sacrifice. After all,
we will never make millions of dollars. We will never star in movies,
or write hit songs that the world will listen too. We only shed our
blood, sweat and tears so that people can enjoy what they have.
Sorry if I have offended, but I needed to say it. Remember these five
words the next time you think of someone who is serving in the
military;
"So that others may live..."

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!.
Benjamin Franklin
Courage is being scared to death--but saddling up anyway.
John Wayne

:patriot:

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

Vilerat posted:

:patriot:

Okay, send this back:

George W. Bush never went to a single soldier's funeral, never a single moment of silence in a Republican controlled Congress and White House for any of the soldiers killed in Iraq or Afghanistan during the SEVEN YEARS (lolcaps) we've been in Afghanistan and the FIVE YEARS (lolcaps) we've been in Iraq. gently caress you. The Republicans are the ones filibustering and voting against measures like that that DEMOCRATS introduce. Yet, you still have the limp-dicked gutless nerve to say Democrats don't care about soldiers. loving think twice about saying you give a poo poo about soldiers, troops, military, or armed forces, and remember that any rear end in a top hat like you can buy a yellow ribbon magnet. Dailykos.com raised $57,000 to send care packages to soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan. Who do you think cut the budget for Walter Reed hospital until mold was growing on the walls? (Hint: George W. Bush)

NDPir8
Sep 10, 2005

the fix is in

BullitNutz posted:

Okay, send this back:

George W. Bush never went to a single soldier's funeral, never a single moment of silence in a Republican controlled Congress and White House for any of the soldiers killed in Iraq or Afghanistan during the SEVEN YEARS (lolcaps) we've been in Afghanistan and the FIVE YEARS (lolcaps) we've been in Iraq. gently caress you. The Republicans are the ones filibustering and voting against measures like that that DEMOCRATS introduce. Yet, you still have the limp-dicked gutless nerve to say Democrats don't care about soldiers. loving think twice about saying you give a poo poo about soldiers, troops, military, or armed forces, and remember that any rear end in a top hat like you can buy a yellow ribbon magnet. Dailykos.com raised $57,000 to send care packages to soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan. Who do you think cut the budget for Walter Reed hospital until mold was growing on the walls? (Hint: George W. Bush)

Saved for future replies to FW:FW:FW: emails I get from my dad about how democrats hate the troops.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

e: ^ Feel free, every time I hear someone saying Democrats/Liberals/Anyone but Hannity-philes don't "s'port da troops" I take it as tacit acknowledgement that they would like nothing more than my cock sliding down their gullet, my balls slapping against their chin, and the warm, syrupy sensation of my seed showering their esophagus like the first warm rain of summer.

Ortsacras posted:

Why can the folks who forward these emails not ONCE manage to do it without making any basic spelling errors?

No, they really can't. You can't spell very good from alcohol-soaked memory when all you see when you look at your keyboard is 104 little :smug: buttons.

FAUXTON fucked around with this message at 11:41 on Aug 23, 2009

MacBook Air Gamer
May 6, 2007

Here I go, deep type flow.
Jacques Cousteau could never get this low.
"You Reap What You Sow"

quote:

Remarks from CBS Sunday Morning - Ben Stein

I Only hope we find GOD again before it is too late ! !



The following was written by Ben Stein and recited by him on CBS Sunday Morning Commentary.

My confession:

I am a Jew, and every single one of my ancestors was Jewish. And it does not bother me even a little bit when people call those beautiful lit up, bejeweled trees, Christmas trees. I don't feel threatened. I don't feel discriminated against. That's what they are, Christmas trees.

It doesn't bother me a bit when people say, 'Merry Christmas' to me. I don't think they are slighting me or getting ready to put me in a ghetto. In fact, I kind of like it. It shows that we are all brothers and sisters celebrating this happy time of year. It doesn't bother me at all that there is a manger scene on display at a key intersection near my beach house in Malibu . If people want a creche, it's just as fine with me as is the Menorah a few hundred yards away.

I don't like getting pushed around for being a Jew, and I don't think Christians like getting pushed around for being Christians. I think people who believe in God are sick and tired of getting pushed around, period. I have no idea where the concept came from, that America is an explicitly atheist country. I can't find it in the Constitution and I don't like it being shoved down my throat.

Or maybe I can put it another way: where did the idea come from that we should worship celebrities and we aren't allowed to worship God as we understand Him? I guess that's a sign that I'm getting old, too But there are a lot of us who are wondering where these celebrities came from and where the America we knew went to.

In light of the many jokes we send to one another for a laugh, this is a little different: This is not intended to be a joke; it's not funny, it's intended to get you thinking.

Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson asked her 'How could God let something like this happen?' (regarding Hurricane Katrina).. Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said, 'I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives. And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?'

In light of recent events... terrorists attack, school shootings, etc. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found a few years ago) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK. Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school. The Bible says thou shalt not kill; thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. And we said OK.

Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave, because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). We said an expert should know what he's talking about. And we said okay.

Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves..

Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with 'WE REAP WHAT WE SOW.'

Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell. Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says. Funny how you can send 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like wildfire, but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing. Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace.

Are you laughing yet?

Funny how when you forward this message, you will not send it to many on your address list because you're not sure what they believe, or what they will think of you for sending it.

Funny how we can be more worried about what other people think of us than what God thinks of us.

Pass it on if you think it has merit.

If not, then just discard it... no one will know you did. But, if you discard this thought process, don't sit back and complain about what bad shape the world is in.



My Best Regards, Honestly and respectfully,

Ben Stein


The best part is that BEN STEIN only actually said half this stuff.

MacBook Air Gamer fucked around with this message at 12:16 on Aug 23, 2009

TheElectronicOne
Oct 17, 2007
Are you the fullfiller?

Vilerat posted:

Obama kissed a socialist

I can't imagine what kind of mental midget you would have to be to read this list and think "wow, what a horrible president, I want Bush back".

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

TheElectronicOne posted:

I can't imagine what kind of mental midget you would have to be to read this list and think "wow, what a horrible president, I want Bush back".



Probably like these.

Plom Bar
Jun 5, 2004

hardest time i ever done :(

MacBook Air Gamer posted:

Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell. Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says. Funny how you can send 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like wildfire, but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing. Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace.

Are you laughing yet?

I used to get forwards that ended with this paragraph verbatim as far back as 1998. I wasn't even an atheist then, and it still pissed me off for trying to guilt-trip me to sending on whatever tripe it was attached to.

Walter
Jul 3, 2003

We think they're great. In a grand, mystical, neopolitical sense, these guys have a real message in their music. They don't, however, have neat names like me and Bono.

Ortsacras posted:

Why can the folks who forward these emails not ONCE manage to do it without making any basic spelling errors?

They can't help it. I doubt that the authors of most of these emails has much beyond a high school education. Those that do managed somehow to avoid a writing class beyond the freshman level

I've been a TA for large, freshman classes on multiple occasions. I've graded term papers written by kids just out of high school who never really learned to write.

Many of them read better than these emails, but the phrasing, breathless prose, and lousy sentence structure and spelling are all hallmarks of poorly educated (or ignorant, or both) writers.

Banana Factory
Mar 14, 2009
Are you guys still up for propagating a faked FWD:FWD:FWD:FWD e-mail or has it already been done? If so, where can I get a copy? :)


On a related note, do you think that "the Right" will have a positive or negative reaction to government obama care extending free abortion service to illegal immigrants? How about free "death panels" or whatever for illegals?

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin
I'm thinking that you could get people riled up with a claim that the death panels use a point system to determine how valuable citizens are.

Owning a gun is -10 points because of the huge danger it presents to people in the household. Why give someone heart surgery when they're just going to accidentally kill themselves while cleaning their gun?

People who identify as 'strongly religious' also lose a few points because of statistical research showing that strongly religious people are likely to insist on sparing no expense to keep themselves alive while less religious people are more accepting of death.

Veterans lose points because they have the alternative of the VA. Why waste medical resources on veterans when they already can get healthcare.

People living in the South lose points due to the higher risk of death from Hurricanes and people in the Midwest lose points for tornadoes. Interestingly, people living in California don't lose points for Earthquakes.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

People living in the Northeast can gain points for the lack of venomous critters in the area.

The Werle
Aug 8, 2005

Fireworks for Christmas is absolutely American

Banana Factory posted:

Are you guys still up for propagating a faked FWD:FWD:FWD:FWD e-mail or has it already been done? If so, where can I get a copy? :)

I really don't think we should get any more of this poo poo started. Honestly misinformation has already dealt so many serious blows to this debate that you shouldn't add fuel to the fire for laughs. We don't need more lies and fear, even as a joke.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

The Werle posted:

I really don't think we should get any more of this poo poo started. Honestly misinformation has already dealt so many serious blows to this debate that you shouldn't add fuel to the fire for laughs. We don't need more lies and fear, even as a joke.

It works well when you incrementally increase the bullshit until they're trapped in a whirlwind of irrelevance they simply cannot yell their way out of.

LuckySevens
Feb 16, 2004

fear not failure, fear only the limitations of our dreams

Sgt. McKill posted:

I got this e-mail from my dad the other day, I think it's a popular one.

So easily debunked too, I just reply with this:

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/motivation.html

Banana Factory
Mar 14, 2009

BullitNutz posted:

It works well when you incrementally increase the bullshit until they're trapped in a whirlwind of irrelevance they simply cannot yell their way out of.

Yeah pretty much. Gullible people are going to be gullible people.

messages shouted out like "keep the government out of my medicare!" by an anti-healthcare protester do more to defeat them then informed arguments made towards them, since it's the general public that needs convincing, not the die-hard anti-Obama people and not the liberals. If the general public thinks they are crazy, then that's great for healthcare. Trolling Supplying them with a little extra crazy is just a little step towards that eventual goal, and we can't be blamed for putting words in their mouth if they pick it up and run with it themselves. Maybe in the future, faked warnings like this may make people skeptical about healthcare a bit more wary of lies coming from the direction of anti-healthcare.

I really like that death panels point system. That, or maybe a warning about government takeover of Medicare and Social Security should also rile [conservative family member] up a bit. EDIT: or links between terrorists and democrats(so that's why democrats are soft on terror!)

I occasionally get crazy FWD's, and I posted some e-mail conversations in the "republicans devouring themselves" thread. Most of the ones I've been getting recently have been just links to Newsmax articles and shittons of Newsmax ads.that my family member deemed appropriate.

Banana Factory fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Aug 25, 2009

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
My father sent me this one:

quote:


A staffer at the White House was looking for a contractor to repair a broken fence out front. Three bidders showed up.

The contractor from Houston said "I can do this job for $500. That's $200 in materials, $200 for my men, and $100 for me."

The contractor from Los Angeles said "I can do this job for $600. That's $250 in materials, $200 for my crew, and $150 for me."

The contractor from Chicago said "I can do this job for $10,500."

At this, the staffer was gobsmacked. "How can it cost $10,500 to fix a fence?"

The contractor replied, "Five thousand for you, five thousand for me, and we pay the guy from Houston $500."

And that, my friends, is how the stimulus bill is going to work.

My reply:

quote:

So, exactly like the Iraq occupation, except that someone might actually fix the goddamned fence?

Sweaty Penny
Dec 2, 2004

You just grab that brownish area by its points and you don't let go no matter what your mom says.
I get semierect proving these emails wrong. Here are two I received last year around election time.


quote:

Pull out of Iraq? Perhaps the U.S. should pull out of Chicago… Body count in the last six months:

221 killed in Iraq
292 killed (murdered) in Chicago

Chicago....Who Runs it?

Senators: Barack Obama & Dick Durbin
Representative: Jesse Jackson Jr.
Mayor: Richard M. Daley (son of Mayor Richard J. Daley)

Illinois:
Governor: Rod Blogojevich
House leader: Mike Madigan
Attorney General: Lisa Madigan, (daughter of Mike)

Leadership in Illinois.....all Democrats.
Thank you for the combat zone in Chicago.
Of course, they're all blaming each other!
Can't blame Republicans; they're aren't any!
State pension fund $44 Billion in debt, worst in country.
Cook County (Chicago) sales tax - 10.25% highest in country.
Chicago school system rated one of the worst in the country.
This is the political culture that Obama comes from, in Illinois. And he's gonna 'fix' Washington politics for us!
Wake Up America!

When I looked up the figures, Chicago had 291 murders in the first seven months of 2008, while at least 5922 people were killed in Iraq during that time (sources: Chicago Tribune and Iraq Body Count). The 221 number was American soldiers killed in Iraq during the first seven months of the year, so the original email author doesn't count non-American soldiers in Iraq as deaths.

Sweaty Penny
Dec 2, 2004

You just grab that brownish area by its points and you don't let go no matter what your mom says.
Second email:

quote:

You can't make this stuff up. There is a little math involved here, but stay with me, it is worth it.

The official cash-for-clunkers government website where you can figure out the mileage for your clunker, and for the beautiful new car that you are thinking of getting (and having your neighbors or children or future grandchildren give you $4500 dollars to buy) is called https://www.fueleconomy.gov. Here you can select from all available cars to get some interesting energy facts and statistics about each model, including official epa mileage, estimated fuel cost per year, and yes, the dreaded carbon footprint for each car.

Let's take as an example a 2010 model Dodge Caravan minivan, one of the most popular vehicles for families with children. If you would like to follow along, please click here:
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/sbs.htm

Now click on model year 2010, then Dodge, then Grand Caravan. Let's click on the 6sp 6cyl 4L model for our example. See it there? Now we get all sorts of nice numbers about that minivan. It gets a combined 20 mpg, it costs $3.05 to drive it 25 miles, and your annual fuel cost based on 15,000 miles is $1830 if gas is $2.44 per gallon. (Your mileage and gas price may vary) Pretty nice to know all that, huh?

Here is where the Obama Fuzzy Gas Math comes in. The website claims that the 2010 Dodge Grand Caravan has a 'Carbon Footprint' that will emit 9.2 tons of Carbon Dioxide annually. That's right, 9.2 TONS!!! Hmmm, that seems like an awful lot, especially if we are all going to be paying a tax on that number under the new Cap and Tax bill. Let's check the math.

Just above that claim is another number the website calls the Energy Impact Score. Our family minivan is estimated to consume 17.1 barrels of oil per year, at 42 gallons per barrel. That is about 718.2 gallons of gas per year for our 15,000 mile per year minivan family. Up above, our combined mpg estimate of 20 mpg spread over 15,000 miles is about 750 gallons. So these two estimates roughly agree with each other, and so far so good.

But wait a second, don't we remember an easy estimate for the weight of liquids we learned as a kid? A pint's a pound the world around? Remember that one? And since gasoline weighs about the same as water, can we do the math? 718 gallons x 8 pints per gallon x 1 pound per pint (use your calculator here if you like) = 5744 pounds of gasoline per year. Last time I checked, a ton = 2000 pounds. So our calculator reveals that the Caravan uses about 2.87 tons of gasoline per year as our minivan family drives it's 15,000 miles.

Hmm, but I checked again, and the website tells me that our little minivan is emitting 9.2 TONS of carbon dioxide!!! How did this happen? These auto companies are more devious than we thought. Somehow they have designed engines that can turn 2.87 tons of gas into 9.2 tons of carbon dioxide. How do they do it??

Obama Fuzzy Gas Math is how. Similar wildly inflated Carbon Footprints can be found for EVERY vehicle on this website going back 25 years. Why? Because Obama is getting ready to assign that number to every car out there, even the one sitting in your garage, and the bigger the number is, the more tax he can charge you to drive it.

Sorry about all the numbers, but somebody has to do the math.

My reply:

quote:

I’m going to make comments in the order I read this.

1) “You can’t make this stuff up.” This email just did.

2) It’s a little bit of math because you willfully distort how to do the math. More math would be involved if you did it right.

3) “2010 model Dodge Caravan minivan, one of the most popular vehicles for families with children.” – I could not find statistics for 2010 model year vehicles sold, so I’m relying on the much more unreliable method of Yahoo Autos. Even when looking under vans, the 2009 Dodge Caravan is ranked 8th this week and 7th last week in popularity with popularity measured by page views. And that’s just under vans. It’s not taking into account SUVs or sedans, both of which would be considered popular vehicles for families with children. Now, yes, popularity is measured by page views and not vehicle sales which should be the final arbiter of “popularity,” but I feel as though there is at least a mild correlation between page views and vehicle sales. Would a car that sells highly not get any page views on Yahoo Autos? My picked-out-of-the-air example shows that the 2010 Ford Focus is the most popular sedan and coupe this week on Yahoo Autos which correlates strongly with its high sales number during the Cash For Clunkers program. It’s was the most purchased car during that time in fact. The rest of the top sellers during Cash For Clunkers – the Corolla (#2), Civic (#3), Prius (#4), and Camry (#5) – all show up high on Yahoo Autos most popular vehicle lists too. So, calling the 2010 Dodge Caravan one of the most popular vehicles for families with children is most likely false.

4) Pithy sayings to the contrary, a pint is not a pound. A pint is a unit of volume. A pound is a unit of force or mass depending on how you use it in the freakin’ stupid English system.

5) The specific density aka specific gravity of gasoline ranges from 0.71 to 0.77, meaning that the density of gasoline is 71% to 77% of water. Let’s say the average is 74%. Gasoline does not weigh about the same as water.

6) A pint of water has a mass of 1.04 lbm (at 32°F), not 1.00 lbm. A pint of gasoline then has a mass of 0.77 lbm. Just changing this number in the email, the Caravan uses 4400 pounds of gasoline per year, or 2.2 tons of gasoline per year. No big deal when proving this email wrong, but it’s one more lie in this email to point out.

7) Okay, this one’s a doozy. Whoooo boy. I brought 200 pounds of wood for my fire, but there’s not 200 pounds of ash leftover. What magic took place? Probably a socialist conspiracy. Okay, enough with bad analogies. All equations are pasted in as pictures because I don’t want formatting to cause my point to be lost. The equation for burning pure gasoline (100% octane) with pure oxygen is as follows:

C8H18 + 25/2*O2 ---> 8CO2 + 9H20

If you don’t understand Chemistry, quit now. Go home and don’t take your answers from email. Every mole of octane creates 8 moles of carbon dioxide. Also note the molecular mass of octane is approximately 144 kg/kmol and the molecular mass of carbon dioxide is approximately 44 kg/kmol. Remember from above that the density of gasoline is 74% of water’s density. So let’s do unit conversions. Again, quit now if you can’t pass math. Spend more time reading text books instead of listening to Glenn Beck.

1gal C8H18 x 3.7854L/1gal x 0.74kg/1L C8H18 x 1kmol/114kg C8H18 x 8kmol C02/1kmol C8H18 x 44kg CO2/1kmol CO2 x 2.2046lbm/kg

Doing the math above shows that 1 gallon of gasoline creates 19.07 pounds of carbon dioxide using the average specific density of gasoline as 0.74. So using 718 gallons of gasoline yields, by my numbers, 13690 pounds of carbon dioxide (6.84 tons of CO2). Using the upper limit of gasoline specific density shows 14250 pounds of CO2 and 7.12 tons of CO2. This is proof that 2.87 tons of gasoline does not equal 2.87 tons of carbon dioxide as the emails implies it should in a world devoid of socialist, black boogiemen.

8) So where does the difference in CO2 between my numbers and the fueleconomy.gov numbers come from? I only accounted for the direct emissions from the car, i.e. the emissions caused only by the burning of the gasoline. The manufacturing of the car creates CO2, the extracting and refining of the gasoline creates CO2, and the transportation of all of this creates CO2. That’s not even an exhaustive list. You can take issue with the difference between the direct emissions from the car and the number quoted on fueleconomy.gov, but you cannot take issue with how one gallon of gasoline creates 19 lbms of carbon dioxide.

I had Microsoft Equations in there, but wrote it out in in text here, and there were supporting links, but I'm no good with hyperlinks here. There were some platitudes at the end I left out too. As you can see, I'm bad with analogies.

JohnClark
Mar 24, 2005

Well that's less than ideal

Sweaty Penny posted:

When I looked up the figures, Chicago had 291 murders in the first seven months of 2008, while at least 5922 people were killed in Iraq during that time (sources: Chicago Tribune and Iraq Body Count). The 221 number was American soldiers killed in Iraq during the first seven months of the year, so the original email author doesn't count non-American soldiers in Iraq as deaths.
To say nothing of the fact that there are far fewer American troops in Iraq than there are citizens living in Chicago.

Vilerat
May 11, 2002
I bet you Canadians think you're off the hook?

quote:

When the pinko liberals in Washington get their way, we will all be issued a koran and a prayer rug.



This is Awesome!!!




Subject: A Canadian Woman
A Canadian Woman With Guts
>>
>>
>> This was written by a Canadian woman, but oh how it also applies to the U.S.A , U.K. and Australia.
>>
>> Here is a woman who should run for Prime Minister!
>>
>> Written by a housewife in New Brunswick , to her local newspaper. This is one ticked off lady.
>>
>>
>>
>> 'Are we fighting a war on terror or aren't we? Was it or was it not started by Islamic people who brought it to our shores on September 11, 2001 and have continually threatened to do so since?
>>
>> Were people from all over the world, not brutally murdered that day, in downtown Manhattan , across the Potomac from the nation's capitol and in a field in Pennsylvania ?
>>
>> Did nearly three thousand men, women and children die a horrible, burning or crushing death that day, or didn't they?
>>
>> And I'm supposed to care that a few Taliban were claiming to be tortured by a justice system of the nation they come from and are fighting against in a brutal insurgency.
>>
>> I'll start caring when Osama bin Laden turns himself in and repents for incinerating all those innocent people on 9/11.
>>
>> I'll care about the Koran when the fanatics in the Middle East start caring about the Holy Bible, the mere belief of which is a crime punishable by beheading in Afghanistan .
>>
>> I'll care when these thugs tell the world they are sorry for hacking off Nick Berg's head while Berg screamed through his gurgling slashed throat.
>>
>> I'll care when the cowardly so-called 'insurgents' in Afghanistan come out and fight like men instead of disrespecting their own religion by hiding in mosques.
>>
>> I'll care when the mindless zealots who blows themselves up in search of nirvana care about the innocent children within range of their suicide bombs.
>>
>> I'll care when the Canadian media stops pretending that their freedom of speech on stories is more important than the lives of the soldiers on the ground or their families waiting at home to hear about them when something happens.
>>
>> In the meantime, when I hear a story about a CANADIAN soldier roughing up an Insurgent terrorist to obtain information, know this:
>>
>> I don't care.
>>
>> When I see a wounded terrorist get shot in the head when he is told not to move because he might be booby-trapped, you can take it to the bank:
>>
>> I don't care.
>>
>> When I hear that a prisoner, who was issued a Koran and a prayer mat, and fed 'special' food that is paid for by my tax dollars, is complaining that his holy book is being 'mishandled,' you can absolutely believe in your heart of hearts:
>>
>> I don't care.
>>
>> And oh, by the way, I've noticed that sometimes it's spelled 'Koran' and other times 'Quran.' Well, Jimmy Crack Corn you guessed it,
>>
>> I don't care!!!
>>
>> If you agree with this viewpoint, pass this on to all your E-mail friends.
>> Sooner or later, it'll get to the people responsible for this ridiculous behaviour!
>>
>> If you don't agree, then by all means hit the delete button. Should you choose the latter, then please don't complain when more atrocities committed by radical Muslims happen here in our great Country!
>>
>> And may I add:
>>
>> 'Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. But, the Soldiers don't have that problem.'
>>
>> I have another quote that I would like to add, AND.......I hope you forward all this.
>>
>> One last thought for the day:
>>
>> Only five defining forces have ever offered to die for you:
>>
>> 1. Jesus Christ
>>
>> 2. The Canadian Soldier.
>>
>> 3. The British Soldier.
>>
>> 4. The US Soldier, and
>>
>> 5. The Australian Soldier
>>
>> One died for your soul, the other 4 for your freedom.
>>
>> YOU MAY WANT TO PASS THIS ON, AS MANY SEEM TO FORGET ALL OF THEM.
>>
>> AMEN !
>>
>>>
>>
>

Just for the record I could use a new rug so somebody get on that please.

Slaan
Mar 16, 2009



ASHERAH DEMANDS I FEAST, I VOTE FOR A FEAST OF FLESH
Urgh. I know that these people are crazy, but would it kill them to actually format
>>
an email without the stupid things?
>>
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TehSaurus
Jun 12, 2006

Dad posted:

This, friends, sums up reality! Quite interesting that "the Wizard of Id", with it's record of off beat humor, was chosen as the vehicle fgor this message.
[Dad]

---------- Forwarded message ----------


Subject: Any Questions?




“You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.”


-Dr. Adrian Rogers, Author & Clergyman (1931-2005)

Really? Really!? :suicide:

I would like to respond with the following, but somehow I feel like it's too antagonistic to really be effective:

TehSaurus posted:

Start with a straw man, add a fundamental misunderstanding of class mobility, wealth distribution, and motivation, mix with ignorance and selfish disregard for the plight of your fellow man, and what do you get?

This. This is what you get.

It is a content free message that will not change anybody's mind. The people who agree with you will pat you on the back, and the people who don't will shake their heads and wonder how it is possible to get everything so completely wrong.

In my actual reply I definitely want to include the philosophy/motivation link mentioned earlier, and some stuff about the drug war and class warfare and wealth distribution, but I'm pretty sure it's all a total waste of :effort:.

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