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PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010
so do those college hunk movers only operate during 3 months a year, + the weeks of winter and spring?


lol again just like how fastfood or mall jobs are "suppose to be for teens" this means the you have a bunch of biz that only run for school breaks.

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The Islamic Shock
Apr 8, 2021

the_steve posted:

The willful ignorance is the most infuriating thing.

My uncle was able to landscape-job his way through law school and his bar exam, back in the day when that actually was financially feasible. He, and obviously so many others like him, just constantly refusing to admit that it doesn't work anymore.
Yeah, back when your entire college education only cost like $8k minus any scholarships or the like, sure, a summer or two of labor work was absolutely viable.

Show me a loving summer job now that would pay the $50k+ it would take now to get a college education nowadays that wasn't someone's rich family member helping out each other's rich failkids.
Hey, if the very concept of mathematics itself has to be wrong in order for your uncle to not have to believe something that would be inconvenient for him, well

Did conservatives always think beliefs that are convenient for them to have and the truth are the exact same thing, did Trump make it okay for them to show it a lot more outwardly, or am I just noticing this poo poo more in a post-Trump reality? Seems like before with the Abu Ghraib torture and poo poo like that their side at least acknowledged that their scandals actually loving happened

The Islamic Shock fucked around with this message at 06:21 on Mar 25, 2024

DarkHorse
Dec 13, 2006

Vroom Vroom, BEEP BEEP!
Nap Ghost

The Islamic Shock posted:

Hey, if the very concept of mathematics itself has to be wrong in order for your uncle to not have to believe something that would be inconvenient for him, well

Did conservatives always think beliefs that are convenient for them to have and the truth are the exact same thing, did Trump make it okay for them to show it a lot more outwardly, or am I just noticing this poo poo more in a post-Trump reality? Seems like before with the Abu Ghraib torture and poo poo like that their side at least acknowledged that their scandals actually loving happened

Modern conservatives by and large are guided by the conclusions they want to be true and work their way backwards from there... assuming they care about logical consistency, evidence, and reason at all. See the interviews with Trumpers who, shown quotes from Trump attributed to Biden, without missing a beat will switch from "that's a horrible sign of dementia" to "I believe in him wholeheartedly"

This is the culmination of decades of twisting themselves in knots so they could reach the conclusions they wanted and general anti-intellectual stances when this is pointed out to them. They also cultivated a demographic through Fox News and other RWM that was easily manipulated by fear and rage, which was useful in the short term but has resulted in what you see today.

What they feel to be true is more important than objective reality.

the_steve
Nov 9, 2005

We're always hiring!

DarkHorse posted:

What they feel to be true is more important than objective reality.

poo poo, this has been the case since well before Trump. Like, Stephen Colbert coined 'truthiness' and it ended up getting added to the dictionary to mean the whole "it feels true and that's what matters" thing.

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS

disposablewords
Sep 12, 2021

"Reality-based community" was a derisive comment toward people who cared about the idea of truth and consistency, made by an unnamed Dubya White House staffer. I feel like Nixon's "When the president does it, that means that it is not illegal," is part of the same strain of thought. Just total disregard for anything but getting your way. And this is just talking about within-living-memory American politics, here.

Dameius
Apr 3, 2006

disposablewords posted:

"Reality-based community" was a derisive comment toward people who cared about the idea of truth and consistency, made by an unnamed Dubya White House staffer. I feel like Nixon's "When the president does it, that means that it is not illegal," is part of the same strain of thought. Just total disregard for anything but getting your way. And this is just talking about within-living-memory American politics, here.

It is multiple generations of gently caress You Got Mine with each subsequent generation the You expanding and the Mine decreasing in numbers.

DarkHorse
Dec 13, 2006

Vroom Vroom, BEEP BEEP!
Nap Ghost

disposablewords posted:

"Reality-based community" was a derisive comment toward people who cared about the idea of truth and consistency, made by an unnamed Dubya White House staffer. I feel like Nixon's "When the president does it, that means that it is not illegal," is part of the same strain of thought. Just total disregard for anything but getting your way. And this is just talking about within-living-memory American politics, here.

What they want to be true is that they are always right, and if they have the power to do what they want then it is self-evidently just and right that they do so

Anyone who fights against this or points out logical inconsistencies with this is evil and a traitor and must be destroyed

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬
So the new Satanic Panic basically?


Socialism: even worse than covid!

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

🎧Listen to Cylindricule!🎵
https://linktr.ee/Cylindricule

I'm always a fan of quotes placed over pictures of people who, if I saw their face in my mirror, I'd slam my head against it until the image shattered into blood-soaked shards embedded in my eyes.

the_steve
Nov 9, 2005

We're always hiring!

Panfilo posted:

So the new Satanic Panic basically?


Socialism: even worse than covid!


poo poo, we don't need a "new" Satanic Panic, they're still trying to drum up the old one.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Panfilo posted:

So the new Satanic Panic basically?

They're claiming that the things that doctors did to intersex kids for 70 years out of fear that having 'genital abnormality' would cause homosexuality and out of a need to force infants into one of two arbitrary boxes on a birth certificate originally intended to enforce the draft and stop women from voting or inheriting property are actually recent things being done by the 'trans cult', who are in fact one of the main drivers to get sex off of birth certificates and let intersex children decide their own gender when they are older because the unnecessary surgery often doesn't work.

Panfilo posted:

Socialism: even worse than covid!

fixed

jivjov
Sep 13, 2007

But how does it taste? Yummy!
Dinosaur Gum

Guavanaut posted:

They're claiming that the things that doctors did to intersex kids for 70 years out of fear that having 'genital abnormality' would cause homosexuality and out of a need to force infants into one of two arbitrary boxes on a birth certificate originally intended to enforce the draft and stop women from voting or inheriting property are actually recent things being done by the 'trans cult', who are in fact one of the main drivers to get sex off of birth certificates and let intersex children decide their own gender when they are older because the unnecessary surgery often doesn't work.

It really is telling that every transition care ban that gets proposed has explicit carve outs for intersex newborns "no gender affirming surgeries for minors unless you find the stock equipment on a newborn to be lacking" is a hell of a position to sell with a straight face

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

raising the minimum wage is totally socialist though

InsertPotPun
Apr 16, 2018

Pissy Bitch stan
how can that person possibly work with their twisted arms??

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

The obvious response is that you don't go to a gun when you're sick, but given healthcare costs in the US I guess some people do.

the_steve
Nov 9, 2005

We're always hiring!


Steering a ship requires propulsion.
Without propulsion, your steering is almost entirely useless.

Lose your engines, and you're going to go wherever the current decides you're going to go.

And, I don't know for sure how it is on large cargo ships like that, but the riverboats that I pilot, the steering pumps are connected to the generators. Lose the gens, you lose your steering. The only emergency backup is switching to the second generator and hoping it isn't hosed up too.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
As you'd expect, the steering gear on container ships is massive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IibP5EBKloI

Those two huge three phase induction motors, drive a pair of hydraulic pumps, and the pumps drive the rams that moves the rudder. Lose power and you might be able to use the residual pressure in the hydraulic cylinders to move it half a degree, but actual steering isn't going to happen, and like you say there isn't a magic power source that comes into play that could run a pair of what look like 20kW motors, plus the contactor cabinet and the pump controllers for any amount of time.

Super special emergency backup power will probably be some marine lead acid batteries that can run the "steering's hosed" light and alarm.

Safety Dance
Sep 10, 2007

Five degrees to starboard!

Guavanaut posted:

As you'd expect, the steering gear on container ships is massive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IibP5EBKloI

Those two huge three phase induction motors, drive a pair of hydraulic pumps, and the pumps drive the rams that moves the rudder. Lose power and you might be able to use the residual pressure in the hydraulic cylinders to move it half a degree, but actual steering isn't going to happen, and like you say there isn't a magic power source that comes into play that could run a pair of what look like 20kW motors, plus the contactor cabinet and the pump controllers for any amount of time.

Super special emergency backup power will probably be some marine lead acid batteries that can run the "steering's hosed" light and alarm.

A lot of times there's a human-powered backup, but it requires some poor shmuck down in the steering gear room to turn a wheel 100,000 times because there's a massive gear reduction involved. It's a middle-of-the-ocean solution.

DarkHorse
Dec 13, 2006

Vroom Vroom, BEEP BEEP!
Nap Ghost
"I would simply have not run into the bridge" I smugly post on my internet-connected device, having done no research whatsoever

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

DarkHorse posted:

"I would simply have not run into the bridge" I smugly post on my internet-connected device, having done no research whatsoever
https://twitter.com/RobDenBleyker/status/1772983748373483723

LonsomeSon
Nov 22, 2009

A fishperson in an intimidating hat!

BRIDGE VAXXED?!?!?!?!??!

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

This Branco is funny because I know so many incidents of dog owners letting their pets loose in public parks where there are also sheep pastures to maintain the ecosystem, and the doggies then beeline to shred the sheep. We also have wolves here and they are more of a nuisance to sheep owners, but this wolf among the sheep seems to be alright because it hasn't attacked anyone yet.

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS

disposablewords
Sep 12, 2021

Two-for-one shitbaggery, yet still the one joke.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
The Engineer (not valid in states where that's a registered profession) has spoken.

RC Cola
Aug 1, 2011

Dovie'andi se tovya sagain

Guavanaut posted:

The Engineer (not valid in states where that's a registered profession) has spoken.


so smart. so wise

Magnetic North
Dec 15, 2008

Beware the Forest's Mushrooms
I know my software engineer friends get really annoyed when mechanical/electrical engineers say that software is not 'real' engineering. But then you get this loving poo poo. As David Gerard would call it: the fallacy of transferable expertise. "Oh yeah I totally understand this thing I've never loving read about. It's so simple. Why didn't anyone thing about this before?"

Heck Yes! Loam!
Nov 15, 2004

a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.

Guavanaut posted:

The Engineer (not valid in states where that's a registered profession) has spoken.


Yes, let's use the steel that got mangled and submerged in salt water.

TGLT
Aug 14, 2009
It's just like they always say: fast, cheap, safe - you can have all three

Herman Merman
Jul 6, 2008

In that scene Peter notices his magic spider powers have fixed his nearsightedness and he sees more clearly without the glasses, so they can't even do the one joke right

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011


I feel like if you need to use cgi to make your point, whatever you're talking about is not real

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010
tbf to Musk, his hair plugs """""""""""work"""""""""""", why cant they reuse steel?

Pendevil
Jun 18, 2007

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

Yes, let's use the steel that got mangled and submerged in salt water.

To say nothing of its state prior to collapse. American bridge infrastructure hasn't got the greatest of reputations.

DarkHorse
Dec 13, 2006

Vroom Vroom, BEEP BEEP!
Nap Ghost

Guavanaut posted:

The Engineer (not valid in states where that's a registered profession) has spoken.


Speaking as a mechanical engineer this is infuriating.

It's like that tweet that said something to the effect of "Because I was not a rocket scientist I believed Musk when he talked about rockets. Because I was not an electrical engineer I believed him when he talked about electric cars. But now he's talking about software, something I *do* know about, and I realize he's a moron"

darthbob88
Oct 13, 2011

YOSPOS

DarkHorse posted:

Speaking as a mechanical engineer this is infuriating.

It's like that tweet that said something to the effect of "Because I was not a rocket scientist I believed Musk when he talked about rockets. Because I was not an electrical engineer I believed him when he talked about electric cars. But now he's talking about software, something I *do* know about, and I realize he's a moron"

https://mastodon.social/@rodhilton/109572674700288958

quote:

He talked about electric cars. I don't know anything about cars, so when people said he was a genius I figured he must be a genius.

Then he talked about rockets. I don't know anything about rockets, so when people said he was a genius I figured he must be a genius.

Now he talks about software. I happen to know a lot about software & Elon Musk is saying the stupidest poo poo I've ever heard anyone say, so when people say he's a genius I figure I should stay the hell away from his cars and rockets.

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS

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Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

DarkHorse posted:

Speaking as a mechanical engineer this is infuriating.
otoh if he'd made the same post on the day after 9/11 it would've overflowed back to hilarious delusional instead of just ugh this guy delusional

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