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Ortsacras
Feb 11, 2008
12/17/00 Never Forget

publicblast posted:

Didn't GWB grow the national debt by a huge margin, without a proposal? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Regardless of that, ask her if she remembers the national debt and a certain President named "Reagan."

Wiki tells me that the national debt when he entered office was right around a trillion dollars, and when he left it was around three (unadjusted dollars; when adjusting it's roughly two to roughly four). THAT UNABASHED SOCIALIST COMMIE MUSLIM!

Plus, let's point out that Obama is not, in fact, proposing to double the national debt. Not that these people give a poo poo (or could even comprehend) about the difference between debt and deficit, or real and adjusted dollars, or anything.

Ortsacras fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Aug 17, 2009

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Ortsacras
Feb 11, 2008
12/17/00 Never Forget

CosplayPeterNorth posted:

Not forwarded or anything. Just simply and depressingly idiotic...

Why can the folks who forward these emails not ONCE manage to do it without making any basic spelling errors?

Ortsacras
Feb 11, 2008
12/17/00 Never Forget
I just think it's amusing what a bunch of giant pussies the right wingers have revealed themselves to be - they're "scared" of everything, they can't handle ideas of any kind (I guess because they're "scared" they might work and prove everything they've believed in to be utter nonsense), they don't want to talk to other countries because those other countries will obviously be so persuasive that they'll talk us into turning over the keys, etc.

Ortsacras
Feb 11, 2008
12/17/00 Never Forget

Casca posted:

I don't think there is really a rebuttal to this besides OH MY GOD WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU YOU BIGOTED OLD gently caress but someone please make this funny so I can laugh at it. Please?

How about "don't let the door hit you in the rear end on the way out!"

Ortsacras
Feb 11, 2008
12/17/00 Never Forget

Bozz posted:

I'd like to get other's reactions to this before I post my own thoughts.

In this debate, we try to get a conservative to realize that civilization costs money - let's watch.

Ortsacras
Feb 11, 2008
12/17/00 Never Forget

Armyman25 posted:

Who the gently caress asks their grandparents for money? Mine certainly don't have any extra, most what they do get goes towards medical bills.

Shouldn't she be asking her folks?

Geez, you mean you don't have family money? The very idea! Guess your ancestors should have bootstrapped a little better!

Ortsacras
Feb 11, 2008
12/17/00 Never Forget

Bozz posted:

edit: also to note, he's a 26 year old white dude. IM OPPRESSED BY THE FASCIST

I'm quite curious how much he gets paid.

Ortsacras
Feb 11, 2008
12/17/00 Never Forget

Bozz posted:

$12 an hour working at a job where he cooks nuts.

It's uncanny.

Ortsacras
Feb 11, 2008
12/17/00 Never Forget

Bozz posted:

He also has a felony drug dealing conviction.

The amount of self delusion is incredible.

Buy him some bootstraps for his birthday - I'm sure he'll appreciate the good wishes.

Ortsacras
Feb 11, 2008
12/17/00 Never Forget

Deteriorata posted:

You could also point out to him that the Constitution mere describes the form and limitations of the government of the US, not its economic system. Conflating unfettered capitalism with anything in the Constitution is a rather horrendous fallacy.

I love how people who say things like "we're a nation founded on freedom and low taxes - read the Constitution" have very obviously never read even a little bit of the Constitution. I try to point out to them that the Constitution very explicitly gives the government the power to tax, but somehow their brains are not usually able to absorb the concept.

Ortsacras
Feb 11, 2008
12/17/00 Never Forget

Petey posted:

So I posted randomnoise's "SOCIALISM" post on facebook and got this from a crazy conservative uncle in return:

Why are everyone's crazy conservative uncles dumber than poo poo?

I include myself in that, although I have one crazy conservative uncle who would say stuff like that, and one who's actually incredibly intelligent and usually has decent arguments.

Ortsacras
Feb 11, 2008
12/17/00 Never Forget

müse posted:

I am surprised he thinks the Mass Pike is expensive but whatever.

Things I don't understand about conservative "thought" #135: I never understand their problem with toll roads. In theory, those who use them pay for them, and those who don't use them don't have to pay for them. So this tickles their "no taxes" spot. A successfully-planned and placed toll road would therefore make money, while an unnecessary one would fail, which ought to tickle their "free market" hardons.

Shouldn't a free-market conservative not only be in favor of toll roads, but be in favor of making MORE roads operate this way? Or is it just that they're such giant babies that they can't even figure that simple thing out?

That's a rhetorical question, of course.

Ortsacras
Feb 11, 2008
12/17/00 Never Forget

Vilerat posted:

If a conservative doesn’t like a talk show host, he switches channels.
•Liberals demand that those they don’t like be shut down.

Oh come the gently caress on.

Ortsacras
Feb 11, 2008
12/17/00 Never Forget

Tesla Insanely Coil posted:

My husband's aunt said this almost word for word. She is thankful that her company fires the old and sick because it keeps her health insurance down and she doesn't want to pay for other people's healthcare. I tried to think of ways to address that mindframe, but I came up with nothing. Any ideas?

Tell her that she's an absolute moron for not realizing that when she is paying for insurance she is still paying for other people's healthcare because the dumb bitch is too stupid to comprehend that that is the very purpose of insurance. Goddamn, I hate it when people say things that stupid.

Ortsacras
Feb 11, 2008
12/17/00 Never Forget

Wiles posted:

"Error of Opinion may be tolerated where Reason is left free to combat it." - Thomas Jefferson

I'm not the only one seeing stupendous irony in using this quote to advance the cause of a religious state, am I?

Ortsacras
Feb 11, 2008
12/17/00 Never Forget

Toasticle posted:

:canada:


I always like how the more rabid ones claim Obama is now hated by the dumbocrats who have come to realize their folly. Or still the messiah.

Again with the random capitalizations - what the gently caress is up with that in these emails? It's like the part of the brain that specifically stores capitalization rules is tied into the part that rots first when exposed to right-wing nonsense.

Ortsacras
Feb 11, 2008
12/17/00 Never Forget

LorneReams posted:

Yeah, the US has the largest military force in the world as well as nukes with a historical precedent for using them....but the US is surely a paper tiger because the president bowed to a leader of a country.

That's the thing that burns me most about this line of thinking - they obviously care more about whether we look weak than whether we are weak. (And of course, if they think we are weak, they give no thought to their own role in making us so.)

Ortsacras
Feb 11, 2008
12/17/00 Never Forget
I'd like to see statistics comparing the number of medical bill-related bankruptcies in the U.S., England, and Canada. I wonder if that might show something Mr. Email Writer wouldn't like?!?!

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Ortsacras
Feb 11, 2008
12/17/00 Never Forget
I assume by this point you've all heard about this guy who got a crazy forwarded political email from his family!
(Though he thought it was deliciously funny and forwarded it along!)

quote:

(CNN) -- Montana's chief federal judge has offered his apologies for forwarding a racist e-mail aimed at President Barack Obama. The judge also initiated a judicial misconduct investigation against himself.
Liberal advocacy groups demanded that U.S. District Judge Richard Cebull resign.
Cebull, in an interview Wednesday with the Billings Gazette newspaper, offered his regrets for forwarding the e-mail, saying it was "a hard lesson to learn."
"To say it's inappropriate and stupid is an extreme understatement," Cebull said in courthouse chambers on Wednesday, according to the newspaper. "There is no doubt it's racist. It wasn't forwarded for that purpose. If anything, it was political."
The Billings-based judge was named to the bench by President George W. Bush in 2001. He has been chief judge since 2008, overseeing two other full-time district judges, three senior or part-time judges and five magistrates. His chambers did not return a call from CNN for comment.
Cebull did not write the offensive material, but admitted forwarding the February 20 message to a few friends after it was sent to him by his brother. The Great Falls Tribune newspaper was given a copy and reported the message went:
"Normally I don't send or forward a lot of these, but even by my standards, it was a bit touching. I want all of my friends to feel what I felt when I read this. Hope it touches your heart like it did mine.
"A little boy said to his mother, 'Mommy, how come I'm black and you're white?' His mother replied, 'Don't even go there Barack! From what I can remember about that party, you're lucky you don't bark!'"
Obama is of mixed race.
Cebull said in the interview his conduct in court over many years has shown he is not a racist, but he admitted the public got that impression from the e-mail. "And I don't blame them," he added.
The judge also separately told the Great Falls Tribune, "The only reason I can explain it to you is I am not a fan of our president, but this goes beyond not being a fan. I didn't send it as racist, although that's what it is. I sent it out because it's anti-Obama."
Cebull has initiated a process under which a judicial misconduct complaint will be filed and an investigation will start, court officials said.
"Cebull has publicly acknowledged that he has acted inappropriately," Appellate Court executive Cathy Catterson said in a statement. "Judge Cebull has initiated the process by which a complaint of judicial misconduct will be brought against him. The Judicial Council is expected to act expeditiously in investigating and resolving this matter."
Some legal organizations said the apology was not enough.
"If he has any respect for his office and for ideals of equality and human dignity on which our country was founded, Judge Cebull will step down today," said Bob Edgar, president and CEO of the left-leaning nonprofit Common Cause. "The message he has acknowledged circulating demonstrates a lack of judicial temperament that ought to disqualify him from further service."
It's rare and generally very difficult to force federal judges from office. They receive tenure, and the Constitution guarantees they can remain on the bench "during good behavior."
Standards warranting removal are not clear, beyond a violation of civil or criminal law. Congress would have to initiate impeachment proceedings, but the few judges to face that have usually resigned before those proceedings went far.
There is no indication the judge in Montana would be subjected to that.
Before being nominated by Bush, Cebull worked as a federal magistrate judge in Montana from 1998 to 2001.

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