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Bozz: Jan 26, 2002

I've been having a heated debate with a friend on Facebook, which I realize already is seven kinds of retarded. What started it off was a link to Bill Moyer's transcript

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/09042009/transcript3.html

His response:

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Interesting article. I would say people who oppose government run health care are probably the same people who have opposed it in the past, not racist. More like people who see an ever expanding corrupt, wasteful, government that knows no bounds. Notice the unfunded liabilities medicare, medicaid, social security... At some point we will have to pay for all of this - http://www.usdebtclock.org

Mine:

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Correlation does not imply causation. He's not saying people who oppose it are because they're racist, that's intellectually dishonest of you. It's the same people who already suffer from other cases of forced ignorance such as Obama is not a U.S. citizen, he wants death panels, etc. Why is it the people who have the most are the angriest? There is a permanent angry class in America, that's always protesting against those who also want a chance to get theirs.

You don't see the uninsured minorities protesting outside of politician's offices brandishing guns, like the hillbillies that attend town hall meetings.

http://tinyurl.com/pp4b7r... Read More

Imagine a white president with black people carrying guns to town hall meetings. How many arrests and police beatings that would bring about?

You mention the debt, which is hilarious because Obama's predecessor left Obama $1 trillion in debt. It will cost more to DO NOTHING than it will to reform health care.

Take your ideology elsewhere.

He finally sent me a private message full of the latest Glenn Beck talking points:

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Most of the people who attend these townhall meetings are not hillbillies, they are democrats, republicans and independents. Who already pay exceptionally high taxes, I pay almost 40% of my income now, factoring all of my taxes together. I certainly do not make a large income. These people know that every government social program ever created has spiraled out of control, and multiplyed in costs. One of my personal fears is that this system will become the infamous "single payer". Many large corporations are for this bill knowing it will be a good way to undercut the competition, especially if they have to pay higher taxes for it anyway. My employer has already told us if it passes we will have it and we're small.

Many do not like some of Obama's advisors ideology, Like Van Jones the former green Jobs Czar he is a self professed communist (literally) and believes white people are poisoning minorities, we need completely new system for the operation in this country. Cass Sunstein-Director of regulatory affairs, has power to tweek how laws are interpreted. Believes animals have the right to take humans to court in lawsuits. Mark Lloyd the new FCC diversity Czar- Idolizes Hugo Chavez (Venezula) for the may he took over media in his revolution. John Holdren the Science Czar- believes in forced sterilants in the drinking water and forced population control. Ezekial Emanuel one of Obama's health care advisors believes in "complete lives system" (in an emergency situation, still scary)

This country was built on the idea of government allowing freedom of choice, success, failure and individualism. Not government "Abondoning free market principles to save the free market." - George W. Bush. Don't ask me how that makes sense. I have seen that the government has created most of the problems we are seeing today, they never want to solve the problems just throw money at it and hope it works. I observe all news sources and draw a conclusion. A guest on the daily not long ago said "there is an intellectual call to de-regulate." that is my call!

I guess it comes down to what your definition of liberty is: The right of the government to take as much of my (time) earnings as they see fit, no matter how rich or poor I am, and spend it on what they choose. Or is it my right to spend my labor with minimal infringement by govt. on what I see fit? Freedom works.

I have abondoned both parties, neither have our nation's best interest at heart, only personal agendas, power and re-election.

I'd like to get other's reactions to this before I post my own thoughts.

Bozz fucked around with this message at 15:22 on Sep 11, 2009

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Bozz: Jan 26, 2002

These responses are cracking me up.

He's 26. We became friends like 9 years ago when he was a cool stoner that liked to hang out, watch movies and play videogames. The funny part is he got a felony conviction for selling drugs. He moved back to Ohio where he came from and became this angry, 'THIS IS ARE COUNTRY' guy. He works at a nut factory where he cooks peanuts, cashews and almonds.

# ¿ Sep 11, 2009 16:07

Bozz: Jan 26, 2002

Hagetaka posted:

When the goalposts keep changing.

I gave up arguing with my co-worker because he told me Rupert Murdoch was a liberal. At that point I told him it wasn't worth talking to him if he was just gonna make poo poo up like a five year old and walked away.

I'm at this point too. Every well reasoned response is met with more lies and topic changes by my friend:

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"Palin's comment was an exaggeration of the end of life portion of the bill. Just like Palin and Limbaugh, there are a slew of journalists as well as Nancy Pelosi spreading viscious rumors about the opposition. Yes, there have been some gun toting hillbillies at the town halls, most are normal people including doctors (most of which) are against Universal health care. Obama knows Universal health programs are completely out of the realm of conservative ideology if he wants "bipartisan progress" he must drop it."

He just wants to declare victory for the argument despite me not wanting his input or to argue on Facebook.

This is the same guy who yelled LIBERALS LIBERALS LIBERALS at me during a phone conversation then hung up. I have not talked to him on the phone since then.

# ¿ Sep 12, 2009 21:20

Bozz: Jan 26, 2002

Habibi posted:

I've found, in my experience, that often the best response when people degenerate into spewing, "Hurr the government isn't the solution it's always the problem," is to backhand the person across the face and yell, "Hey moron! - Government was created in the first place specifically to be the solution to a whole host of problems."

Hahaha, yes, I agree.

Here's the latest from the nut factory:

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To fulfill a mandate? What mandate? I thought it was to bring honesty and transparency to government? If the mandate is fascism, then yes, he is doing it.

There are two minorities I represent, the people who work and pay for all of this bull poo poo he is proposing. Of coarse, I am also a part of the most oppressed group in the nation. You can tax ... Read Morethe piss out of the rich, they will increase the price of goods and services, and lay people off. Kind of like when gas was $4.00 per gallon causing prices on everthing to shoot up. Middle class pays ultimatley.

Reality? please explain government in every aspect of life (may not be under Obama, but the trend is spiraling that way especially under O) Taxing the piss out of every breath you take and anything you do. Punishing those who sacrifice, make good decisions and rewarding worthless people. WHERE IS THE FREEDOM? How can you choose to ignore the corruption? We will be Mexico if we continue to ignore this.

edit: also to note, he's a 26 year old white dude. IM OPPRESSED BY THE FASCIST

Bozz fucked around with this message at 16:01 on Sep 22, 2009

# ¿ Sep 22, 2009 15:38

Bozz: Jan 26, 2002

Ortsacras posted:

I'm quite curious how much he gets paid.

$12 an hour working at a job where he cooks nuts.

# ¿ Sep 22, 2009 16:32

Bozz: Jan 26, 2002

Ortsacras posted:

It's uncanny.

He also has a felony drug dealing conviction.

The amount of self delusion is incredible.

# ¿ Sep 22, 2009 17:04

Bozz: Jan 26, 2002

Ortsacras posted:

Buy him some bootstraps for his birthday - I'm sure he'll appreciate the good wishes.

He replied with 3 comments:

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I'm not sure how you can possibly look at more government health care as not socialist, but ok. Have you ever read the constitution? These people who are so "ignorant and racist" (which says more about the people that call them that than the recipients) want our constitution to be used again when governing. That's it! More government= less freedom= more taxes= more intervention in personal lives... You are extremely narrow minded.

This country was founded on individualism, small government, low taxes. These are the principles that have brought prosperity and evolution to the entire world, in a shade over 200 years. This is the quickest way to self actualization.Why? BECAUSE POWER CORRUPTS! Have we as a country made any mistakes? Yes, show me a country that has not! The larger government is the more they impose, have you ever read a history book? The more rights we have, the less liberty.

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Fascism- a system of government marked by centralization of authority- He is "fundamentally transforming america"-Obama and concentrating more powers within the whitehouse through CZARS than anyone in the past. Giving more controls to a black hole known as the federal reserve. Not to mention nationalizing large portions of the economy.

Socioeconomic controls- Redistribution of wealth, what do you think that means? Universal Healthcare too is a fine example.

Suppression by terror or censorship- Global Warming- seen the cap and trade bill? it's a doozy. have you looked at the diversity czar, he doesn't have to run to mainstream media they just carry out his agenda, he wants to tax conservative radio stations up to 100% of operating costs. hear about the nea?

Have you looked into any of the CZARS I pointed out to you before? He is the one who said we need to look at the people who surround him to find out his policy- communists, socialists, how can we forget about Rev. Wright?

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It is really funny, you're right. University of Indiana estimates 1.7 million people, it's hard to get people to travel across the country all on the same day, we are awake.

Instead of bootstraps I got him this instead:

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More craziness from the nut factory.

Once again, the majority of what you are saying is garbage easily disproven via a quick Google search. You're making unfounded accusations against a lot of respected Americans who have done more in their life to help this country than your crazed, fringe minority.

And why the hate? Because their skin is brown. Instead of bombing innocent people because their religion is different, they would rather use tax payer dollars to fund health care.

That's tax payer dollars being wasted? Is your hatred of taxes because they funded the police department that arrested you when you were breaking the law?

But it's Obama and the Democrats that don't respect the laws in this country.

You love accusing the Obama administration of wrongdoing. And yet, look at your own background. You are the cause of your own oppression. This is like arguing for gun control against a guy who shot himself in the foot.

You're done here.

and

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Just to be clear:

Any more political posts from you and I'll delete them. This isn't a bi-partisan forum for you to post your latest Glenn Beck talking points. This is my own personal page to stay in touch with friends and I'm tired of logging in to see more of this crazy bullshit.

I realize he has a couple of points with the Obama administration but its pointless to acknowledge that since he's loving crazy.

Bozz fucked around with this message at 08:05 on Sep 23, 2009

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Bozz: Jan 26, 2002

On Monday I was loading up Huffington Post when this ad splashed up:

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I'm sure there was a little more to the ad that either didn't load or I'm forgetting. It just took me by surprise with how minimal, yet antagonistic it was. Barack Obama is running again so give us your money now.

It reminded me of the midterms and how they self righteous they got, all but demanding their base do whatever it takes to keep them in power.

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