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We all have those crazy family members who feel it’s their duty to forward on every single ridiculous piece of political garbage that hits their inbox to everybody on their mailing list. Unfortunately every time we see another email from granny it’s a 50/50 chance it’s either a rundown of how their day went with pictures or some terrible forwarded chain letter that usually describes Obama as a baby eating Nazi Jew who will put granny in a death camp while swallowing your soul. Many of us probably even set up their computer enabling this and a good chunk wish we could go back and maybe write them hand written letters some more so they wouldn’t feel they had to get the internet in order to keep track of the family.
Oh well, damage done.
This thread is going to serve two purposes:
A. A repository of all the crazy we get emailed so we can laugh at them.
B. A place for you to write out thoughtful “canned” responses to mail back so maybe, just maybe, some of them can be reached with logic and reason.
Oh well at least we can still have some laughs.
~How this works~
If you receive an email from granny that is one of your typical lunatic fw:fw:FW:You won't believe this but it's true!!! style emails we want you to post them in this thread. We'll all have a good laugh at them but more importantly some of you will write out a reasoned cited response which we will then link in the OP. People will inevitably get the same email since these go around in cycles and you'll then have a ready response for when you inevitably get the same one in your email.
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We'll start it off by everybody's favorite sheriff Joe Arpaio! Including family members commentary for extra cringe...
quote:The bleeding heart liberal media don't report the good stuff, they only only report negative stuff.
( in my view)
My kind of man. now if they would only make him the head of homeland
security.
> Subject: SHERIFF JOE
> IS AT IT AGAIN!
>
> You all remember
> Sheriff Joe
> Arpaio of Arizona , who painted the jail cells pink
> and made the inmates wear pink prison
> garb. Well...........
>
> SHERIFF JOE IS AT IT AGAIN!
>
> Oh, there's MUCH more to know about Sheriff Joe!
>
> Maricopa
> County was spending approx. $18 million dollars a
> year on stray animals, like cats and dogs. Sheriff Joe
> offered to take the department over, and the County
> Supervisors said okay.
>
> The animal
> shelters are now all staffed and operated by
> prisoners. They feed and care for the strays. Every animal
> in his care is taken out and walked twice daily. He now has
> prisoners who are experts in animal nutrition and behavior.
> They give great classes for anyone who'd like to adopt
> an animal. He has literally taken stray dogs off the street, given
> them to the care of prisoners, and had them place in dog
> shows.
>
>
> The best part? His budget for the entire department is now
> under $3 million. Teresa and I adopted a Weimaraner from a
> Maricopa
> County shelter two years ago. He was neutered, and
> current on all shots, in great health, and even had a
> microchip inserted the day we got him. Cost us $78.
>
> The prisoners get the benefit of about $0.28 an hour for
> working, but most would work for free, just to be out of
> their cells for the day. Most of his budget is for
> utilities, building maintenance, etc. He pays the prisoners
> out of the fees collected for adopted animals.
>
> I have long wondered when the rest of the country would
> take a look at the way he runs the jail system, and copy
> some of his ideas. He has a huge farm, donated to the county
> years ago, where inmates can work, and they grow most of
> their own fresh vegetables and food, doing all the work and
> harvesting by hand.
>
> He has a pretty good sized hog farm, which provides meat,
> and fertilizer. It fertilizes the Christmas tree nursery,
> where prisoners work, and you can buy a living Christmas
> tree for $6 - $8 for the Holidays, and plant it later. We
> have six trees in our yard from the Prison.
>
> Yup, he was reelected last year with 83% of the vote.
> Now he's in trouble with the ACLU again. He painted all
> his buses and vehicles with a mural, that has a special
> hotline phone number painted on it, where you can call and
> report suspected illegal aliens. Immigrations and Customs
> Enforcement wasn't doing enough in his eyes, so he had
> 40 deputies trained specifically for enforcing immigration
> laws, started up his hotline, and bought 4 new buses just
> for hauling folks back to the border. He's kind of a
> 'Git-R Dun' kind of Sheriff.
>
> TO THOSE OF YOU NOT FAMILIAR WITH JOE ARPAIO
>
> HE IS THE MARICOPA ARIZONA COUNTY
> SHERIFF
>
> AND HE KEEPS GETTING ELECTED OVER AND OVER
> THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY:
>
> Sheriff Joe
> Arpaio (In Arizona ) who created the ' Tent City
> Jail': He has jail meals down to 40 cents a serving and
> charges the inmates for them.
>
> He stopped smoking and porno magazines in the jails. Took
> away their weights Cut off all but 'G' movies.
>
> He started chain gangs so the inmates
> could do free work on county and city projects.
>
> Then He Started Chain Gangs For Women So He Wouldn't
> Get Sued For Discrimination.
>
> He took away cable TV Until he found out there was A
> Federal Court Order that Required Cable TV For Jails So He
> Hooked Up The Cable TV Again . Only
> Let In The Disney Channel And The Weather Channel.
>
> When asked why the weather channel He Replied, So They Will
> Know How Hot It's Gonna Be While They Are Working ON My
> Chain Gangs.
>
> He Cut Off Coffee Since It Has Zero Nutritional Value.
>
> When the inmates complained, he told them, 'This
> Isn't The Ritz/Carlton....... If You Don't Like It,
> Don't Come Back.'
>
>
> More On The Arizona Sheriff:
>
> With Temperatures Being Even Hotter Than Usual In Phoenix
> (116 Degrees Just Set A New Record), the Associated Press
> Reports: About 2,000 Inmates Living In A
> Barbed-Wire-Surrounded Tent Encampment At The Maricopa County
> Jail Have Been Given Permission To Strip Down To
> Their Government-Issued Pink Boxer Shorts.
>
> On
> Wednesday, hundreds of men wearing boxers were either
> curled up on their bunk beds or chatted in the tents, which
> reached 138 Degrees Inside The Week Before.
>
> Many Were Also Swathed In Wet, Pink Towels As Sweat
> Collected On Their Chests And Dripped Down To Their PINK
> SOCKS.
>
> 'It Feels Like We Are In A Furnace,' Said James
> Zanzot, An Inmate Who Has Lived In The TENTS for 1 year.
> 'It's Inhumane.'
>
> Joe
> Arpaio, the tough-guy sheriff who created the tent
> city and long ago started making his prisoners wear pink,
> and eat bologna sandwiches, is not one bit sympathetic....
> He said Wednesday that he told all of the inmates:
> 'It's 120 Degrees In Iraq And Our Soldiers Are
> Living In Tents Too, And They Have To Wear Full Battle Gear,
> But They Didn't Commit Any Crimes, So Shut Your
> Mouths!'
>
> Way To Go, Sheriff!
>
> Maybe if all prisons were like this one there would be a
> lot less crime and/or repeat offenders. Criminals should be
> punished for their crimes - not live in luxury until
> it's time for their parole, only to go out and commit
> another crime so they can get back in to live on taxpayers
> money and enjoy things taxpayers can't afford to have
> for themselves.
>
> If you agree, pass this on. If not, just delete
> it.
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Aug 14, 2009 17:16
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amateur economist posted:
SA should try writing it's own chain email that's just plausible enough to seem realistic, and then see how long it takes to hit our inboxes or be the subject of commentary on Glenn Beck
This would be awesome. This needs to happen.
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Aug 15, 2009 16:53
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quote:(NOTE: has anyone ever heard a new government official being identified as a devout Catholic, Jew or Protestant..., just wondering?)
Doesn't this make you feel safer already??
The correct response would be "Does it make you feel safer? Why or why not?"
The unsaid premise is of course that you shouldn't trust them because they are Muslims being placed in a Homeland Security position and Muslims = Terrorists. Any good response would force the original sender to in some way acknowledge their overt prejudice for what it is and either confront it or at least stop pretending to be sly about it.
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Aug 18, 2009 15:43
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Sometimes the mails are just silly 
quote:
Think about this:
1. Cows
2. The Constitution
3. The Ten Commandments
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COWS
Is it just me, or does anyone else find it amazing that during the mad cow epidemic our government could track a single cow, born in Canada almost three years ago, right to the stall where she slept in the state of Washington? And, they tracked her calves to their stalls. But they are unable to locate 11 million illegal aliens wandering around
our country. Maybe we should give each of them a cow.
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THE CONSTITUTION
They keep talking about drafting a Constitution for Iraq ... Why don't we just give them ours? It was written by a lot of really smart guys, it has worked for over 200 years, and we're not using it anymore.
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THE 10 COMMANDMENTS
The real reason that we can't have the Ten Commandments posted in a courthouse or Congress is this --you cannot post 'Thou Shalt Not Steal' 'Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery' and 'Thou Shall Not Lie' in a building full of lawyers, judges and politicians .... it creates a hostile work environment..
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Also, think about this .... if you don't want to forward this for fear of offending someone -- YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM! It is time for America to speak up!
Yes, I passed it on!
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Aug 20, 2009 02:38
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chesh posted:
That would be hyperbolic. I'd be up for suggestions on something subversively liberal to send his way, though.
http://heritage.com/
It's a newspaper! You can make sure he's informed of all the southeastern Michigan happenings.
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Aug 20, 2009 11:32
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quote:Subject: Fw: OBAMA'S FIRST SIX MONTHS' ACCOMPLISHMENTS.. READ IT AND WEEP
> Obama's First
> Six Months' Accomplishments
>
> 1. Offended the Queen of England.
> 2. Bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia..
> 3. Praised the Marxist Daniel Ortega.
> 4. Kissed Socialist Hugo Chavez on the cheek.
> 5. Endorsed the Socialist Evo Morales of Bolivia.
> 6. Sided with Hugo Chavez and Communist Fidel Castro against Honduras.
> 7. Announced we would meet with Iranians with no pre-conditions while they're building their nuclear weapons.
> 8. Gave away billions to AIG also without pre-conditions.
> 9. Expanded the bailouts.
> 10. Insulted everyone who has ever loved a Special Olympian.
> 11. Doubled our national debt.
> 12. Announced the termination of our new missile defense system the day after North Korea launched an ICBM.
> 13. Released information on U.S. intelligence gathering despite urgings of his own CIA director and the prior four CIA directors.
> 14. Accepted without comment that five of his cabinet members cheated on their taxes and two other nominees withdrew after they couldn't take the heat.
> 15. Appointed a Homeland Security Chief who identified military veterans and abortion opponents as "dangers to the nation."
> 16. Ordered that the word "terrorism" no longer be used and instead refers to such acts as "man made disasters."
> 17. Circled the globe to publicly apologize for America's world leadership.
> 18. Told the Mexican president that the violence in their country was because of us.
> 19. Politicized the census by moving it into the White House from the Department of Commerce.
> 20. Appointed as Attorney General the man who orchestrated the forced removal and expulsion to Cuba of a 9-year-old whose mother died trying to bring him to freedom in the United States.
> 21. Salutes as heroes three Navy SEALS who took down three terrorists who threatened one American life and the next day announces members of the Bush
> administration may stand trial for "torturing" three 9/11 terrorists by pouring water up their noses.
> 22. Low altitude photo shoot of Air Force One over New York City that frightened thousands of New Yorkers.
> 23. Sent his National Defense Advisor to Europe to assure them that the US will no longer treat Israel in a special manner and they might be on their own with the Muslims.
> 24. Praised Jimmy Carter's trip to Gaza where he sided with terrorist Hamas against Israel.
> 25. Nationalized General Motors and Chrysler while turning shareholder control over to the unions and freezing out retired investors who owned their bonds. Committed unlimited taxpayer billions in the process.
> 26. Passed a huge energy tax in the House that will make American industry even less competitive while costing homeowners thousands per year.
> 27. Announced nationalized health care "reform" that will strip seniors of their Medicare, cut pay of physicians, increase taxes yet another $1 trillion, and put everyone on rationed care with government bureaucrats deciding who gets care and who doesn't. (See cartoon.)
>
> Bloomberg: Daschle says, "Health care reform will not be pain free. Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them," while former Colorado Governor Dick Lamm says seniors have "a duty to die." If this does not sufficiently raise your ire, just remember that the President, Senators and Congressmen have their own special gold plated health care plan which is guaranteed the remainder of their lives and they are not subject to this new law if they pass it.
>
> Please use the power of the Internet to get this message out. Talk it up at the grassroots level. We have an election coming up in one year and four months
> where we can reverse the dangerous direction of the Obama administration and its allies. In the interim, we can make their lives miserable.
> Lets do it!
>
> If you disagree, don't do anything.
>
> WAKE UP AMERICA... IF WE DON'T START DOING SOMETHING IT WILL BE FAR FAR TOO LATE.
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Aug 21, 2009 19:03
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quote:Subject : A soldier on Michael Jackson
A soldier on Michael Jackson Is this ever a breath of fresh air!!!
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Yes, Michael Jackson did pass away a week ago,
...and so did:
Army SSG Paul G Smith, 43, of East Peoria, IL
Army SSG Joshua A Melton, 26, of Carlyle, IL
Army SPC Chancellor A Keesling, 25, of Indianapolis, IN
Navy MCPO Jeffrey J Garber, 43, of Hemingford, NE
Army 1SG John D Blair, 38, of Calhoun, GA
Army SGT Ricky D Jones, 26, of Plantersville, AK
Army SGT Rodr igo A Munguia Rivas, 27, of Germantown, MD
Army SPC Casey L Hills, 23, of Salem, IL
Army 1LT Brian N Bradshaw, 24, of Steilacoom, WA
Army SPC Joshua L Hazlewood, 22, of Manvel, TX
***********
This is written by a young soldier serving his third tour of duty in
Iraq. Thought you might find his take on the Michael Jackson news
interesting.
"Okay, I need to rant.
I was just watching the news, and I caught part of a report on
0AMichael Jackson. As we all know, Jackson died the other day . He was
an entertainer who performed for decades. He made millions, he spent
millions, and he did a lot of things that make him a villain to many
people. I understand that his death would affect a lot of people, and
I respect those people who mourn his death, but that isn't the point
of my rant.
Why is it that when ONE man dies, the whole of America loses their
minds with grief. When a man dies whose only contribution to the
country was to ENTERTAIN people, the Amercian people find the need to
flock to a memorial in Hollywood , and even Congress sees the need to
hold a "moment of silence" for his passing?
Am I missing something here? ONE man dies, and all of a sudden he's a
freaking martyr because he entertained us for a few decades? What
about all those SOLDIERS who have died to give us freedom? All those
Soldiers who, knowing that they would be asked to fight in a war,
still raised their hands and swore to defend the Constitution and the
United States of America. Where is their moment of silence? Where are
the people flocking to their graves or memorials and mourning over
them because they made the ultimate sacrifice? Why is it when a
Soldier dies, there are more people saying "good riddence," and
"thank God for IEDs?" When did this country become so calloused to
the sacrifice of GOOD MEN and WOMEN, that they can arbitrarily blow
off their deaths, and instead, throw themselves into mourning for a
"Pop Icon?"
I think that if they are going to hold a moment of silence IN
CONGRESS for Michael Jackson, they need to hold a moment of silence
for every service member killed in Iraq and Afghanistan . They need to
PUBLICLY recognize every life that has been lost so that the American
people can live their callous li ttle lives in the luxury and freedom
that WE, those that are living and those that have gone on, have
provided for them. But, wait, that would take too much time, because
there have been so many willing to make that sacrifice. After all,
we will never make millions of dollars. We will never star in movies,
or write hit songs that the world will listen too. We only shed our
blood, sweat and tears so that people can enjoy what they have.
Sorry if I have offended, but I needed to say it. Remember these five
words the next time you think of someone who is serving in the
military;
"So that others may live..."
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!.
Benjamin Franklin
Courage is being scared to death--but saddling up anyway.
John Wayne
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Aug 22, 2009 18:38
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I bet you Canadians think you're off the hook?
quote:When the pinko liberals in Washington get their way, we will all be issued a koran and a prayer rug.
This is Awesome!!!
Subject: A Canadian Woman
A Canadian Woman With Guts
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>> This was written by a Canadian woman, but oh how it also applies to the U.S.A , U.K. and Australia.
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>> Here is a woman who should run for Prime Minister!
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>> Written by a housewife in New Brunswick , to her local newspaper. This is one ticked off lady.
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>> 'Are we fighting a war on terror or aren't we? Was it or was it not started by Islamic people who brought it to our shores on September 11, 2001 and have continually threatened to do so since?
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>> Were people from all over the world, not brutally murdered that day, in downtown Manhattan , across the Potomac from the nation's capitol and in a field in Pennsylvania ?
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>> Did nearly three thousand men, women and children die a horrible, burning or crushing death that day, or didn't they?
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>> And I'm supposed to care that a few Taliban were claiming to be tortured by a justice system of the nation they come from and are fighting against in a brutal insurgency.
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>> I'll start caring when Osama bin Laden turns himself in and repents for incinerating all those innocent people on 9/11.
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>> I'll care about the Koran when the fanatics in the Middle East start caring about the Holy Bible, the mere belief of which is a crime punishable by beheading in Afghanistan .
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>> I'll care when these thugs tell the world they are sorry for hacking off Nick Berg's head while Berg screamed through his gurgling slashed throat.
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>> I'll care when the cowardly so-called 'insurgents' in Afghanistan come out and fight like men instead of disrespecting their own religion by hiding in mosques.
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>> I'll care when the mindless zealots who blows themselves up in search of nirvana care about the innocent children within range of their suicide bombs.
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>> I'll care when the Canadian media stops pretending that their freedom of speech on stories is more important than the lives of the soldiers on the ground or their families waiting at home to hear about them when something happens.
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>> In the meantime, when I hear a story about a CANADIAN soldier roughing up an Insurgent terrorist to obtain information, know this:
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>> I don't care.
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>> When I see a wounded terrorist get shot in the head when he is told not to move because he might be booby-trapped, you can take it to the bank:
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>> I don't care.
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>> When I hear that a prisoner, who was issued a Koran and a prayer mat, and fed 'special' food that is paid for by my tax dollars, is complaining that his holy book is being 'mishandled,' you can absolutely believe in your heart of hearts:
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>> I don't care.
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>> And oh, by the way, I've noticed that sometimes it's spelled 'Koran' and other times 'Quran.' Well, Jimmy Crack Corn you guessed it,
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>> I don't care!!!
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>> If you agree with this viewpoint, pass this on to all your E-mail friends.
>> Sooner or later, it'll get to the people responsible for this ridiculous behaviour!
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>> If you don't agree, then by all means hit the delete button. Should you choose the latter, then please don't complain when more atrocities committed by radical Muslims happen here in our great Country!
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>> And may I add:
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>> 'Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. But, the Soldiers don't have that problem.'
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>> I have another quote that I would like to add, AND.......I hope you forward all this.
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>> One last thought for the day:
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>> Only five defining forces have ever offered to die for you:
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>> 1. Jesus Christ
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>> 2. The Canadian Soldier.
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>> 3. The British Soldier.
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>> 4. The US Soldier, and
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>> 5. The Australian Soldier
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>> One died for your soul, the other 4 for your freedom.
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>> YOU MAY WANT TO PASS THIS ON, AS MANY SEEM TO FORGET ALL OF THEM.
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>> AMEN !
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Just for the record I could use a new rug so somebody get on that please.
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Aug 26, 2009 11:31
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quote:
Joys of Muslim Women
by Nonie Darwish
In the Muslim faith a Muslim man can marry a child as young as 1 year old and have sexual intimacy with this child. Consummating the marriage by 9.
The dowry is given to the family in exchange for the woman (who becomes his slave) and for the purchase of the private parts of the woman, to use her as a toy.
Even though a woman is abused she can not obtain a divorce.
To prove rape, the woman must have (4) male witnesses.
Often after a woman has been raped, she is returned to her family and the family must return the dowry. The family has the right to execute her (an honor killing) to restore the honor of the family. Husbands can beat their wives 'at will' and he does not have to say why he has beaten her.
The husband is permitted to have (4 wives) and a temporary wife for an hour (prostitute) at his discretion.
The Shariah Muslim law controls the private as well as the public life of the woman.
In the West World ( America ) Muslim men are starting to demand Shariah Law so the wife can not obtain a divorce and he can have full and complete control of her. It is amazing and alarming how many of our sisters and daughters attending American Universities are now marrying Muslim men and submitting themselves and their children unsuspectingly to the Shariah law.
By passing this on, enlightened American women may avoid becoming a slave under Shariah Law.
Learn More.... Read: Cruel and Usual Punishment just released in most bookstores.
Ripping the West in Two.
Author and lecturer Nonie Darwish says the goal of radical Islamists is to impose Shariah law on the world, ripping Western law and liberty in two.
She recently authored the book, Cruel and Usual Punishment: The Terrifying Global Implications of Islamic Law.
Darwish was born in Cairo and spent her childhood in Egypt and Gaza before emigrating to America in 1978, When she was eight years old, her father died while leading covert attacks on Israel He was a high- ranking Egyptian military officer stationed with his family in Gaza.
When he died, he was considered a "shahid," a martyr for jihad. His posthumous status earned Nonie and her family an elevated position in Muslim society.
But Darwish developed a skeptical eye at an early age. She questioned her own Muslim culture and upbringing. She converted to Christianity after hearing a Christian preacher on television.
In her latest book, Darwish warns about creeping sharia law - what it is, what it means, and how it is manifested in Islamic countries.
For the West, she says radical Islamists are working to impose sharia on the world. If that happens, Western civilization will be destroyed.
In twenty years there will be enough Muslim voters in the U.S. to elect the President! I think everyone in the U.S. should be required to read this, but with the ACLU, there is no way this will be widely publicized, unless each of us sends it on!
This is your chance to make a difference...!
fuuuuuuuuuuuuccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkk
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Inevitable...
quote: As soon as his cancer was detected, I noticed the immediate attempt at the
"canonization" of old Teddy Kennedy by the mainstream media. They are
saying what a "great American" he is. I say, let's get a couple things
clear & not twist the facts to change the real history.
1. He was caught cheating at Harvard when he attended it. He was expelled
twice, once for cheating on a test, and once for paying a classmate to cheat
for him.
2. While expelled, Kennedy enlisted in the Army, but mistakenly signed up
for four years instead of two. Oops! The man can't count to four! His
father, Joseph P. Kennedy, former U.S. Ambassador to England (a step up from
bootlegging liquor into the US from Canada during prohibition), pulled the
necessary strings to have his enlistment shortened to two years, and to
ensure that he served in Europe, not Korea , where a war was raging No
preferential treatment for him! (like he charged that President Bush
received).
3. Kennedy was assigned to Paris, never advanced beyond the rank of
Private, and returned to Harvard upon being discharged. Imagine a person of
his "education" NEVER advancing past the rank of Private!
4. While attending law school at the University of Virginia, he was cited
for reckless driving four times, including once when he was clocked driving
90 miles per hour in a residential neighborhood with his headlights off
after dark... Yet his Virginia driver's license was never revoked.
Coincidentally, he passed the bar exam in 1959. Amazing!
5. In 1964, he was seriously injured in a plane crash and hospitalized for
several months. Test results done by the hospital at the time he was admitted had shown he was legally intoxicated. The results of those tests remained a "state secret" until in the 1980's when the report was unsealed.
Didn't hear about that from the unbiased media, did we?
6. On July 19, 1969, Kennedy attended a party on Chappaquiddick Island in
Massachusetts . At about 11:00 PM, he borrowed his chauffeur's keys to his
Oldsmobile limousine and offered to give a ride home to Mary Jo Kopechne, a
campaign worker. Leaving the island via an unlit bridge with no guard rail,
Kennedy steered the car off the bridge, flipped, and into Poucha Pond.
7. He swam to shore and walked back to the party passing several houses and
a fire station. Two friends then returned with him to the scene of the accident. According to their later testimony, they told him what he already knew - that he was required by law to immediately report the accident to the authorities. Instead Kennedy made his way to his hotel, called his lawyer, and went to sleep. Kennedy called the police the next morning and by then the wreck had already been discovered. Before dying Kopechne had scratched at the upholstered floor above her head in the upside-down car.
The Kennedy family began "calling in favors", ensuring that any inquiry
would be contained. Her corpse was whisked out-of-state to her family
before an autopsy could be conducted.
Further details are uncertain, but after the accident Kennedy says he
repeatedly dove under the water trying to rescue Kopechne and he didn't call
police because he was in a state of shock. It is widely assumed Kennedy was drunk, and he held off calling police in hopes that his family could fix the
problem overnight. Since the accident Kennedy's "political enemies" have
referred to him as the distinguished Senator from Chappaquiddick. He
pleaded guilty to leaving the scene of an accident, and was given a
SUSPENDED SENTENCE OF TWO MONTHS.
Kopechne's family received a small payout from the Kennedy's insurance
policy and never sued. There was later an effort to have her body exhumed
and autopsied, but her family successfully fought against this in court, and Kennedy's family paid their attorney's bills.... a "token of friendship"?
8. Kennedy has held his Senate seat for more than forty years, but considering his longevity, his accomplishments seem scant. He authored or argued for legislation that ensured a variety of civil rights, increased the minimum wage in 1981, made access to health care easier for the indigent, funded Meals on Wheels for fixed-income seniors, and is widely held as the "standard-bearer for liberalism". In his very first Senate roll he was the floor manager for the bill that turned U.S. immigration policy upside down and opened the floodgate for immigrants from third world countries..
9. Since that time, he has been the prime instigator and author of every
expansion of an increase in immigration up to and including the latest attempt to grant amnesty to illegal aliens. Not to mention the pious grilling he gave the last two Supreme Court nominees, as if he was the standard bearer for the nation in matters of "what is right" What a pompous rear end!
10. He is known around Washington as a public drunk, loud, boisterous, and
very disrespectful to ladies. JERK is a better description than "great
American". "A blonde in every pond" is his motto.
Let's not allow the spin doctors to make this jerk a hero -- how quickly the
American public forgets what his real legacy is.
Send this on, as a LOT of the younger people don't have a clue about all
of this, and us older ones tend to forget things that happened so many
years ago.
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RagnarokAngel posted:
Not surprising but in-context its not about Obama or health care at all and is significantly less crazy:
http://aclu.org/pizza/
Ugh. Now who's fearmongering? They don't help their cause with such blatant hyperbole.
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Hey sure Bush owns, whatever. Now gimme some money gramps.
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quote:•If a conservative doesn’t like guns, he doesn’t buy one.
•If a liberal doesn’t like guns, he feels that no one should have one
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•If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn’t eat meat.
•If a liberal is, he wants to ban all meat products for everyone.
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•If a conservative sees a foreign threat, he thinks about how to defeat his enemy.
•A liberal wonders how to surrender gracefully and still look good.
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•If a conservative is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.
•If a liberal is homosexual, he loudly demands legislated respect.
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•If a black man or Hispanic man is conservative, they see themselves as independently successful.
•Their liberal counterparts see themselves as victims in need of government protection.
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•If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation.
•A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.
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•If a conservative doesn’t like a talk show host, he switches channels.
•Liberals demand that those they don’t like be shut down.
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•If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn’t go to church.
•A liberal non-believer wants any mention of God or religion silenced.
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•If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it.
•A liberal demands that the rest of us pay for his.
Well when they put it that way...
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quote:
DIVORCE AGREEMENT 2009
THIS IS SO INCREDIBLY WELL PUT AND I CAN HARDLY BELIEVE IT'S BY A YOUNG PERSON, A STUDENT!!!
WHATEVER HE RUNS FOR, I'LL VOTE FOR HIM.
OUTSTANDING!
Dear American liberals, leftists, social progressives, socialists, Marxists, Obama supporters, et al:
We have stuck together since the late 1950's, but the whole of this latest election process has made me realize that I want a divorce. I know we tolerated each other for many years for the sake of future generations, but sadly, this relationship has run its course. Our two ideological sides of America cannot and will not ever agree on what is right so let's just end it on friendly terms. We can smile and chalk it up to irreconcilable differences and go our own way.
Here is a model separation agreement:
Our two groups can equitably divide up the country by landmass each taking a portion. That will be the difficult part, but I am sure our two sides can come to a friendly agreement. After that, it should be relatively easy! Our respective representatives can effortlessly divide other assets since both sides have such distinct and disparate tastes.
We don't like redistributive taxes so you can keep them. You are welcome to the liberal judges and the ACLU, and abortion clinics. Since you hate guns and war, we'll take our firearms, the cops, the NRA and the military. You can keep Oprah, Michael Moore, Katie Couric and Rosie O'Donnell...
We'll keep the capitalism, greedy corporations, pharmaceutical companies, Wal-Mart and Wall Street. You can have your beloved homeless, homeboys, hippies and illegal aliens. W e'll keep the hot Alaskan hockey moms and rednecks. We'll keep the Bibles and give you CBS, NBC, CNBC and Hollywood ..
You can make nice with Iran and Palestine and we'll retain the right to invade and hammer places that threaten us. You can have the peaceniks, and war protesters. When our allies or our way of life are under assault, we'll help provide them security.
We'll keep our Judeo-Christian values. You are welcome to Islam, Scientology, Humanism and Shirley McClain. You can also have the U.N., but we will no longer be paying the bill.
We'll keep the SUVs, pickup trucks American made cars and oversized luxury cars. You can take every Subaru station wagon you can find.
You can give everyone healthcare if you can find any practicing doctors. We'll continue to believe healthcare is not a right. We'll keep The Battle Hymn of the Republic and the National Anthem and "In God We Trust" where it belongs. I'm sure you'll be happy to substitute I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing, Kum Ba Ya or We Are the World.
We'll practice trickle down economics and you can give trickle up poverty your best shot. Since it often so offends you, we'll keep our history, our name and our flag.
Would you agree to this? If so, please pass it along to other like minded liberal and conservative patriots and if you do not agree, just hit delete. In the spirit of friendly parting, I'll bet you ANWAR which one of us will need whose help in 15 years.&nb sp;
Sincerely,
John J. Wall
Law Student and an American
P.S. Also, please take Barbara Streisand and Jane Fonda with you.
Pretty good deal, I think we should take it.
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quote: This should be read and understood by all Americans—Democrats, Republicans, EVERYONE!!
To President Obama and all 535 voting members of the Legislature,
Are you all morons?
The U.S. Post Service was established in 1775—you have had 234 years to get it right—and it is broke.
Social Security was established in 1935—you have had 74 years to get it right—and it is broke.
Fannie Mae was established in 1938—you have had 71 years to get it right—and it is broke.
War on Poverty started in 1964—you have had 45 years to get it right; $1 trillion of our money is confiscated each year and transferred to "the poor"—and they only want more.
Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965—you have had 44 years to get it right—and they are broke.
Freddie Mac was established in 1970—you have had 39 years to get it right—and it is broke.
The Department of Energy was created in 1977 to lessen our dependence on foreign oil, it has ballooned to 16,000 employees with a budget of $24 billion a year and we import more oil than ever before—you had 32 years to get it right—and it is an abysmal failure.
You have FAILED in every "government service" you have shoved down our throats while overspending our tax dollars—AND YOU WANT AMERICANS TO BELIEVE YOU CAN BE TRUSTED WITH A GOVERNMENT-RUN HEALTH CARE SYSTEM??
Are you crazy, or do you just believe all Americans are morons too???
This from a family member. I replied with a rational breakdown on why the email was retarded but then...
quote:As smart as you are, and as close to government programs as you are i can't imagine why you would stick up for government meddling. When i was young, the city didn't have a health plan subsidy, so i went out and found health insurance and paid for it myself. When your mom was young and a single mom she found health insurance on her own and paid for it herself. The trouble with young people today is that they want everything handed to them and don't want to work for it. Big brother will provide( yeh right ) Pat and i both have very good health plan coverage and our fear is that the government ( REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT) will step in and gently caress it all up just as they have done for the last 100 years.
THEY ARE ON MEDICARE. gently caress.
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Zwabu posted:
Pack it up, Americaliures
I posted that on this very page!
(I'd still rather we err on the side of getting these emails posted instead of worrying about reading every last page to make sure yours isn't listed yet so no big deal)
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Respond by air guitaring a killer riff and leave it at that.
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quote:Two Good Old Boys Buy A Mule From A Farmer
Curtis & Leroy saw an ad in the Starkville Daily News
Newspaper in Starkville, MS. and bought a mule for $100.
The farmer agreed to deliver the mule the next day.
The next morning the farmer drove up and said, "Sorry, fellows, I have some bad news, the mule died last night."
Curtis &Leroy replied, "Well, then just give us our money back."
The farmer said, "Can't do that. I went and spent it already."
They said, "OK then, just bring us the dead mule."
The farmer asked, "What in the world ya'll gonna do with a dead mule?"
Curtis said, "We gonna raffle him off."
The farmer said, "You can't raffle off a dead mule!"
Leroy said, "We shore can! Heck, we don't hafta tell nobody he's dead!"
A couple of weeks later, the farmer ran into Curtis &Leroy at the Piggly Wiggly grocery store and asked.
"What'd you fellers ever do with that dead mule?"
They said,"We raffled him off like we said we wuz gonna do."
Leroy said,"Shucks, we sold 500 tickets fer two dollars apiece and made a profit of $898."
The farmer said,"My Lord, didn't anyone complain?"
Curtis said, "Well, the feller who won got upset. So we gave him his two dollars back."
Curtis and Leroy now work for the government.
They're overseeing the Bailout Program.
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RagnarokAngel posted:
Really the point I was just trying to make is a republican president was willing to bow before the Emperor because it's the sign of respect in that culture, yet when Obama does it it's being a liberal sissy.
I think the real issue is only conservatives give a poo poo about this so it all comes across as old man yells at cloud.
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burritonegro posted:
e: I'm always conflicted on whether to reply-all or not to my gramp's political forwarded email. Pros are it enlightens the subject to others who might care, Cons are it furthers people's junk mail.
Like all debates you aren't doing it to convince the person you are talking to, but the people watching from the sidelines. Do it.
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Old man has opinions, sends them in a letter.
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quote:Is there something wrong with our system?
You have two families: "John Legal" and "Juan Illegal". Both families have two parents, two children, and live in California .
John Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.
Juan Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash "under the table".
Ready? Now pay attention...
John Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $ 1000.00 per week, or $52,000.00 per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax; John Legal now has
$31,231.00.
Juan Illegal: $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week, or $31,200.00 per year. Juan Illegal pays no taxes. Juan Illegal now has $31,200.00.
John Legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. John Legal now has $24,031.00.
Juan Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year. Juan Illegal still has $31,200.00.
John Legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or welfare. John Legal pays $500.00 per month for food, or $6,000.00 per year. John Legal now has $18,031.00.
Juan Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps and welfare. Juan Illegal still has $31,200.00.
John Legal pays rent of $1,200.00 per month, or $14,400.00 per year. John Legal now has $9,631.00.
Juan Illegal receives a $500.00 per month federal rent subsidy. Juan Illegal uses the $500.00 per month for rent, or $6,000.00 per year. Juan Illegal still has $ 31,200.00.
John Legal pays $200.00 per month, or $2,400.00 for insurance. John Legal now has $7,231.00.
Juan Illegal says, "We don't need no stinkin' insurance!" and! still has $31,200.00.
John Legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, etc.
Juan Illegal has to make his $31,200.00 stretch to pay utilities,
gasoline, and what he sends out of the country every month.
John Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.
Juan Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.
John Legal's and Juan Illegal's children both attend the same school. John Legal pays for his children's lunches while Juan Illegal's children get a government sponsored lunch. Juan Illegal's children have an after school ESL program. John Legal's children go home.
John Legal and Juan Illegal both enjoy the same police and fire services, but John paid for them and Juan did not pay.
Do you get it, now?
If you vote for or support any politician that supports illegal aliens...
You are part of the problem!
It's way PAST time to take a stand for America and Americans!
Reminder: Don't forget to pay your taxes...20 million Illegal Aliens are depending on you.
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I tend to reply all to any of these emails just on the off chance that somebody else in the dialogue is actually open to hearing rebuttals (I know, fat chance but still). Out of the blue somebody who was in that chain mailed, just to me, some silly poo poo.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/patboone.asp
I received a long winded version of this email along with a bunch of pseudo patriotic crap so naturally I replied pointing out the problems with it.
It appears I've struck a vein of pure lunacy in this response back to me:
quote:Hi (Vilerat),
Your response doesn't surprise me. Obviously, through no fault of yours, you are lacking the theological convictions that influenced the founders of our nation as they struggled with the problems of writing a constitution that would ensure freedom of religion and lawful activities of its citizens forever. The constitution that emerged resulted in creation of the greatest nation on earth. The idea was that each citizen would be responsible for his own decisions and actions: how he used his personal freedom.
For 200 years our nation's citizens thanked their Judeo Christian God for their increasing wealth and standard of living. Life wasn't always easy but being free to succeed or fail and create anew made the difference, and resulted in a nation that was the envy of the world. The citizens today are voluntary slaves to Government demanding that they have a RIGHT to be cared for from the cradle to the grave whether they have been a contributor to the national wealth or not. Unlike you, I thank God for the opportunity to serve our country in the military for over four years against the aggression of Japan and to its prosperity since during a lifespan of 90 yrs.
"The point is" Obama goes to a foreign country and, in a speech to the nation declares that the United States is not a Christian country and may even be a Muslim country. This is not taken out of context and angered over 70% of the 300 million Americans for the benefit of all Muslims by lying about the influence of approximately 3 million Muslims in the U. S. Obama's comment certainly in context. "America Has been Arrogant". In other speeches in foreign countries I personally heard Obama denigrate Americas actions. Not appropriate for an American President to ingratiate himself before foreign leaders at America's expense! Not one of Obama's quotes given by this "crackpot ramblings by one of the far right wing loons at Worldnetdaily" was out of context, as you described it. You would have known that if you had actually listened to Obama's speeches. So, using your own terminology, this describes you as a left wing loon blinded by the persuasive rhetoric of his latest idol. Having said all that I am sure you are a very likeable guy. God bless you my friend and give you a long life and wisdom. Let us pray that
President Oboma will stop breaking all his campaign promises and will live up to the dignity we expect of our President.
Somewhere in Arizona is an old man yelling at a cloud. He seems like a nice guy though 
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http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/photos/prayerday.asp
Yep. I love the low hanging fruit ones.
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Stop posting like god drat retards. Thanks!
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Unsticking but keep posting (we have too many stuck threads!).
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I don't get it. Why would all the UN personnel in Haiti speak French? I just can't comprehend it!!
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quote:WE, OF COURSE, SCRAPPED THE F-22 IN FAVOR OF BANK BAILOUTS......
Russia now has #1 fighter plane in the world... SU-30 Vectored Thrust with Canards...
As you watch this airplane, look at the canards moving along side of, and just below the canopy rail. The "canards" are the small wings forward of the main wings? The smoke and contrails provide a sense of the actual flight path, sometimes in reverse direction.
This video is of an in-flight demonstration flown by the Russian's 30MK fighter aircraft. You will not believe what you are about to see. The fighter can stall from high speed, stopping forward motion in seconds. (full stall).. Then it demonstrates an ability to descend tail first without causing a compressor stall. It can also recover from a flat spin in less than a minute.. These maneuver capabilities don't exist in any other aircraft in the world today.. Take a look at the video with the sound up. This aircraft is of concern to U.S and NATO planners. We don't know which nations will soon be flying the SU-30MK.
Hopefully China isn't one of them.
Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Note:
Friends worked with advanced aircraft flight control systems and concepts for many years as an extension of stability control and means of control. Canards and vectored thrust were among many concepts examined to extend our fighter aircraft performance. Neither our current or next generation aircraft now poised for funding & production can in any way match the performance of this Russian aircraft, NOW FLYING, in any near combat situation. Somehow the bankrupt Russian aircraft industry has out produced our complex politically tainted aerospace industry with this technology marvel. Scratch any ideas of close in air-to-air combat with this aircraft in the future.
Raaaaaaaaaarghjhhhh
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Farrok posted:
I was also amused by the suicide joke, but I still couldn't get past the fact that its reference to Pakistan specifically doesn't make any drat sense!
Yeah it's not geographically accurate at all. Smart people aren't writing these emails though.
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quote:The leftist media has distorted what SB 1070 will do. It is not going to set up a Nazi Germany . Are you kidding. The ACLU and the leftist courts will do everything to protect those who are here illegally, but it was an effort to try and stop illegal's from setting up businesses, and employment, and receiving state services and give the ability to local law enforcement when there is probable cause like a traffic stop to determine if they are here legally. Federal law is very clear if you are here on a visa you must have your papers on you at all times.
So what if you are a US citizen, are you required to carry identification on you? You are now! They really didn't think through how big of an invasion of your personal liberties this is. Also does nothing to stop unchecked illegal immigration.
I'm especially curious how checking for id's is going to be effective against the boogymen they've set up in drug runners.
quote:Another rancher testified that daily drugs are brought across his ranch in a military operation. A point man with a machine gun goes in front, 1/2 mile behind are the guards fully armed, 1/2 mile behind them are the drugs, behind the drugs 1/2 mile are more guards. These people are violent and they will kill anyone who gets in the way. This was not the only rancher we heard that day that talked about the drug trains.
I think you might be illegal sir, please show me your identification.
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Nice trigger discipline. I guess properly handling firearms gets tricky when you also have to hold your beer.
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quote:A lot of Americans have become so insulated from reality. Absolutely No Profiling! Pause a moment, reflect back, and take the following multiple choice test.
These events are actual events from history.. They really happened! Do you remember?
HERE'S THE TEST
1. 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by:
a.. Superman
b. Jay Leno
c. Harry Potter
d. A Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40
2. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by :
a. Olga Corbett
b. Sitting Bull
c. Arnold Schwarzenegger
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
3. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by:
a. Lost Norwegians
b. Elvis
c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
d . Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
4. During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:
a. John Dillinger
b. The King of Sweden
c. The Boy Scouts
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
5. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
a. A pizza delivery boy
b. Pee Wee Herman
c.. Geraldo Rivera
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
6. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by:
a. The Smurfs
b. Davey Jones
c. The Little Mermaid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
7. In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens , and a US Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by:
a. Captain Kidd
b. Charles Lindberg
c. Mother Teresa
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
8. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
a. Scooby Doo
b. The Tooth Fairy
c. The Sundance Kid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
9. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:
a. Richard Simmons
b. Grandma Moses
c. Michael Jordan
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
10. In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:
a. Mr. Rogers
b. Hillary Clinton, to distract attention from Wild Bill's women problems
c. The World Wrestling Federation
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
11. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to take out the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers.
Thousands of people were killed by:
a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd
b. The Supreme Court of Florida
c. Mr Bean
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
12. In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:
a. Enron
b. The Lutheran Church
c. The NFL
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
13. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:
a. Bonnie and Clyde
b. Captain Kangaroo
c. Billy Graham
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
No, I really don't see a pattern here to justify profiling, do you? So, to ensure we Americans never offend anyone, particularly fanatics intent on killing us, airport security screeners will no longer be allowed to profile certain people.. They must conduct random searches of 80-year-old women, little kids, airline pilots with proper identification, secret agents who are members of the President's security detail, 85-year old Congressmen with metal hips, and Medal of Honor winner and former Governor Joe Foss, but leave Muslim Males between the ages 17 and 40 alone lest they be guilty of profiling.
Let's send this to as many people as we can.
Foot note: Fort Hood Texas ......another Muslim 39 years old killed 13 people and wounded 30 some odd others... Does this fit the profile!
NOW OUR COMMANDER-IN- CHIEF IS TELLING EVERYONE THAT THE YOUNG MUSLIM THAT ATTEMPTED TO BLOW UP A NORTHWEST/DELTA JET AS IT APPROACHED DETROIT ON CHRISTMAS DAY WAS (QUOTE) "AN ISOLATED INCIDENT". YOU HAVE GOT TO BE (edited out) ME OR WHAT!!!
Yeah ok lost me at question 1. Sirhan Sirhan was a Christian.
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quote:Note: This update comes some 24 hours after our
longtime Washington D.C. Insider first outlined shocking details of an
Obama administration having been "overruled" by senior military and
intelligence officials leading up to the successful attack against
terrorist Osama Bin Laden. What follows is further clarification of
Insider's insights surrounding that event.
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Q: You stated that President Obama was
"overruled" by military/intelligence officials regarding the decision to
send in military specialists into the Osama Bin Laden compound. Was
that accurate?
A: I was told - in these exact terms, "we
overruled him." (Obama) I have since followed up and received further
details on exactly what that meant, as well as the specifics of how Leon
Panetta worked around the president's "persistent hesitation to act."
There appears NOT to have been an outright overruling of any specific
position by President Obama, simply because there was no specific
position from the president to do so. President Obama was, in this
case, as in all others, working as an absentee president.
Read more in Issues
I was correct in stating there had been a push
to invade the compound for several weeks if not months, primarily led by
Leon Panetta, Hillary Clinton, Robert Gates, David Petraeus, and Jim
Clapper. The primary opposition to this plan originated from Valerie
Jarrett, and it was her opposition that was enough to create uncertainty
within President Obama. Obama would meet with various components of the
pro-invasion faction, almost always with Jarrett present, and then often
fail to indicate his position. This situation continued for some time,
though the division between Jarrett/Obama and the rest intensified more
recently, most notably from Hillary Clinton. She was livid over the
president's failure to act, and her office began a campaign of anonymous
leaks to the media indicating such. As for Jarrett, her concern rested
on two primary fronts. One, that the military action could fail and
harm the president's already weakened standing with both the American
public and the world. Second, that the attack would be viewed as an act
of aggression against Muslims, and further destabilize conditions in the
Middle East.
Q: What changed the president's position and
enabled the attack against Osama Bin Laden to proceed?
A: Nothing changed with the president's opinion
- he continued to avoid having one. Every time military and
intelligence officials appeared to make progress in forming a position,
Jarrett would intervene and the stalling would begin again. Hillary
started the ball really rolling as far as pressuring Obama began, but it
was Panetta and Petraeus who ultimately pushed Obama to finally act -
sort of. Panetta was receiving significant reports from both his direct
CIA sources, as well as Petraeus-originating Intel. Petraeus was
threatening to act on his own via a bombing attack. Panetta reported
back to the president that a bombing of the compound would result in
successful killing of Osama Bin Laden, and little risk to American
lives. Initially, as he had done before, the president indicated a
willingness to act. But once again, Jarrett intervened, convincing the
president that innocent Pakistani lives could be lost in such a bombing
attack, and Obama would be left attempting to explain Panetta's failed
policy. Again Obama hesitated - this time openly delaying further
meetings to discuss the issue with Panetta. A brief meeting was held at
this time with other officials, including Secretary Gates and members of
the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but Gates, like Panetta, was unable to push
the president to act. It was at this time that Gates indicated to
certain Pentagon officials that he may resign earlier than originally
indicated - he was that frustrated. Both Panetta and Clinton convinced
him to stay on and see the operation through.
What happened from there is what was described
by me as a "masterful manipulation" by Leon Panetta. Panetta indicated
to Obama that leaks regarding knowledge of Osama Bin Laden's location
were certain to get out sooner rather than later, and action must be
taken by the administration or the public backlash to the president's
inaction would be "...significant to the point of political
debilitation." It was at that time that Obama stated an on-ground
campaign would be far more acceptable to him than a bombing raid. This
was intended as a stalling tactic, and it had originated from Jarrett.
Such a campaign would take both time, and present a far greater risk of
failure. The president had been instructed by Jarrett to inform Mr.,
Panetta that he would have sole discretion to act against the Osama Bin
Laden compound. Jarrett believed this would further delay Panetta from
acting, as the responsibility for failure would then fall almost
entirely on him. What Valerie Jarrett, and the president, did not know
is that Leon Panetta had already initiated a program that reported to
him -and only him, involving a covert on the ground attack against the
compound. Basically, the whole drat operation was already ready to go -
including the specific team support Intel necessary to engage the enemy
within hours of being given notice. Panetta then made plans to proceed
with an on-ground assault. This information reached either Hillary
Clinton or Robert Gates first (likely via military contacts directly
associated with the impending mission) who then informed the other.
Those two then met with Panetta, who informed each of them he had been
given the authority by the president to proceed with a mission if the
opportunity presented itself. Both Gates and Clinton warned Panetta of
the implications of that authority - namely he was possibly being made
into a scapegoat. Panetta admitted that possibility, but felt the
opportunity to get Bin Laden outweighed that risk. During that meeting,
Hillary Clinton was first to pledge her full support for Panetta,
indicating she would defend him if necessary. Similar support was then
followed by Gates. The following day, and with Panetta's permission,
Clinton met in private with Bill Daley and urged him to get the
president's full and open approval of the Panetta plan. Daley agreed
such approval would be of great benefit to the action, and instructed
Clinton to delay proceeding until he had secured that approval. Daley
contacted Clinton within hours of their meeting indicating Jarrett
refused to allow the president to give that approval. Daley then
informed Clinton that he too would fully support Panetta in his actions,
even if it meant disclosing the president's indecision to the American
public should that action fail to produce a successful conclusion.
Clinton took that message back to Panetta and the CIA director initiated
the 48 hour engagement order. At this point, the President of the
United States was not informed of the engagement order - it did not
originate from him, and for several hours after the order had been given
and the special ops forces were preparing for action into Pakistan from
their position in Afghanistan, Daley successfully kept Obama and Jarrett
insulated from that order.
This insulation ended at some point with an
abort order that I believe originated from Valerie Jarrett's office, and
was then followed up by President Obama. This abort order was later
explained as a delay due to weather conditions, but the actual
conditions at that time would have been acceptable for the mission. A
storm system had been in the area earlier, but was no longer an issue.
Check the data yourself to confirm. Jarrett, having been caught off
guard, was now scrambling to determine who had initiated the plan. She
was furious, repeating the acronym "CoC" and saying it was not being
followed. This is where Bill Daley intervened directly. The
particulars of that intervention are not clear to me beyond knowing he
did meet with Jarrett in his office and following that meeting, Valerie
Jarrett was not seen in the West Wing for some time, and apparently no
longer offered up any resistance to the Osama Bin Laden mission. What
did follow from there was one or more brief meetings between Bill Daley,
Hillary Clinton, a representative from Robert Gates' office, a
representative from Leon Panetta's office, and a representative from Jim
Clapper's office. I have to assume that these meetings were in essence,
detailing the move to proceed with the operation against the Osama Bin
Laden compound. I have been told by more than one source that Leon
Panetta was directing the operation with both his own CIA operatives, as
well as direct contacts with military - both entities were reporting to
Panetta only at this point, and not the President of the United States.
There was not going to be another delay as had happened 24 hour earlier.
The operation was at this time effectively unknown to President Barack
Obama or Valerie Jarrett and it remained that way until AFTER it had
already been initiated. President Obama was literally pulled from a
golf outing and escorted back to the White House to be informed of the
mission. Upon his arrival there was a briefing held which included Bill
Daley, John Brennan, and a high ranking member of the military. When
Obama emerged from the briefing, he was described as looking "very
confused and uncertain." The president was then placed in the situation
room where several of the players in this event had already been
watching the operation unfold. Another interesting tidbit regarding
this is that the Vice President was already "up to speed" on the
operation. A source indicated they believe Hillary Clinton had
personally made certain the Vice President was made aware of that day's
events before the president was. The now famous photo released shows
the particulars of that of that room and its occupants. What that photo
does not communicate directly is that the military personnel present in
that room during the operation unfolding, deferred to either Hillary
Clinton or Robert Gates. The president's role was minimal, including
their acknowledging of his presence in the room.
At the conclusion of the mission, after it had
been repeatedly confirmed a success, President Obama was once again
briefed behind closed doors. The only ones who went in that room
besides the president were Bill Daley. John Brennan, and a third
individual whose identity remains unknown to me. When leaving this
briefing, the president came out of it "...much more confident. Much
more certain of himself." He was also carrying papers in his hand that
quite possibly was the address to the nation given later that evening on
the Bin Laden mission. The president did not have those papers with him
prior to that briefing. The president then returned to the war room,
where by this time, Leon Panetta had personally arrived and was
receiving congratulations from all who were present.
In my initial communication to you of these
events I described what unfolded as a temporary Coup initiated by high
ranking intelligence and military officials. I stand by that term.
These figures worked around the uncertainty of President Obama and the
repeated resistance of Valerie Jarrett. If they had not been willing to
do so, I am certain Osama Bin Laden would still be alive today. There
will be no punishment to those who acted outside the authority of the
president's office. The president cannot afford to admit such a fact.
What will be most interesting from here is to now see what becomes of
Valerie Jarrett. One source indicated she is threatening resignation.
I find that unlikely given my strong belief she needs the protection
afforded her by the Oval Office and its immense powers to delay and
eventually terminate investigations back in Chicago, but we shall see.
At least they are high effort now!
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All aboard the McChrystal train!