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Petey posted:So I posted randomnoise's "SOCIALISM" post on facebook and got this from a crazy conservative uncle in return: I am surprised he thinks the Mass Pike is expensive but whatever.
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Luigi Thirty posted:It's not saying that they're failures, it's saying they're broke as in they have no money. It says the Department of Energy is a failure, not that it's broke. God forbid we fund the postal service more...or the Department of Energy.
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the posted:When conservatives complain about taxes, I always ask them how the gently caress they expect the government to pay for anything. I live in Massachusetts and my favorite meme now is, "See you raised the sales tax! AND WE STILL LOST MONEY IN FACT WE LOST MORE MONEY THAN WE THOUGHT WE WOULD! TAXES BAAAAAD!! IF we lower taxes, however, we somehow magically make money!"
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RagnarokAngel posted:It's really painful how the Birther mentality lets them keep at it. No matter what evidence you present that he's a US citizen "well I have this other evidence...". It is like you are in a cult, you know the truth, everyone else hasn't seen the light yet.
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Nov 10, 2009 23:04
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Skallagrimsson posted:I’m Tired"
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Mar 11, 2010 15:16
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When will the white man get his chance? All those blacks putting all those black presidents into power. I mean, it's not like the black population is what, 12 percent of the total population.
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Mar 19, 2010 15:39
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Toasticle posted:Census nonsense Look at me while I make things up that no one can verify!
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Habibi posted:I feel like this has been brought up before, but my quick search through the last 10 or so pages failed to find anything (and it may be in either the Beck or GOP thread, anyway) so I was hoping someone could point me to it: Being entirely unfamiliar with the situation surrounding Medicare and Social Security, what's a good counter-argument to the common talking point along the lines of "How can we think government healthcare would save money / be efficient / work / etc... when Medicare and/or Social Security are failing / in debt / broken / etc..." ? Social Security won't be in "debt" for another 30 years. Tacked on to the fact that congress raids its funds year to year to cover budget gaps. Medicare is liked by people who use it and do not want to go to a private system. http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2009/07/the-popularity-of-government-run-health-insurance.php
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Habibi posted:Good point on the former, but the latter addresses people's satisfaction with medicare. What I'm looking for is information on the financial side. That is, the right constantly harps on how because medicare is in debt or losing money or whatever, it's a sign that government attempts at providing or managing healthcare are inherently inefficient. So I'm trying to see how that actually gels with reality., if at all. Private business raised the cost of medical expenses for years. How exactly can one say that private business will run it better when they clearly can't? Also, some of the issues are a matter of population. More boomers will be on rolls so costs will go up. Sliding the pay roll tax to cover people who make over say, 250,000 would cover Medicare and social security. A 2005 CBO report might be worth looking at as well, I haven't read through it yet though. http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/69xx/doc6982/12-15-LongTermOutlook.pdf
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Habibi posted:I think there's some misunderstanding going on here. A great example is a 401k v. Social Security. A lot of people's 401k's were destroyed because the private sector ineffectively and inefficiently used their money to fund their own pet projects.
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I'm well versed on the conceptual differences between public and private healthcare, and can quite adequately explain my point of view on that. What I have trouble doing is specifically countering arguments that go after Medicare and Social Security from the direction of inefficiency and waste (because we all know that government agencies are inherently inefficient and wasteful 
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Lansdowne posted:I just got this from my uncle. I'm really tempted with replying with redstatesocialism.jpg, then again, he seems to think that mayors wield this much power when it comes to poverty rates, so I doubt it would do much good. How many of those are considered red states or even purple states that elect conservative governors or have state legislatures that are split?
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i stay fly posted:After a long, and what I hoped was permanent, break from from crazy emails from my mother, I got this one today: Tell her that numbers wise, there are more white people on welfare.
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freebooter posted:Well, there are more white people in general. I know all of that. I am just saying he should say it to see how she tries to hand wave it.
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This whole thing is moronic too because the FEMA did respond faster to the flooding and has sent a bunch of money already.
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Hardcore Phonography posted:Here's one that probably hasn't been posted: Cause Jesus was all about using racial slurs and hating people.
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Posted on the Ron Klein candidate facebook page. This was posted after he thanked his volunteers.quote:You are proud of a practice that should be outlawed, You may be proud of your volunteers, but everyone else thinks they are devilish pranksters that trouble people relaxing in the few hours of free time they have.
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Choadmaster posted:Uu, is there some context here you left out or am I just an idiot? What is this all about? He is mad about people volunteering and making phone calls and knocking on doors.
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Jul 31, 2010 22:31
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Meatball posted:That whole list boils down to "I like nice things but my money might go to help black people.
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Deuce posted:Yes. Air traffic controllers at O'Hare should definitely make ~40k/year. That will definitely attract people qualified enough to handle the lives of hundreds of thousands of people per day! Well surely the free market can handle it better and pay these people more if it is such a tough job. Don't you know anything about anything!
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Ballz posted:Allen West stuff West's district was gerrymander for years to be solid republican, now it is a toss up and he got lucky during a wave year. Not only did they get 0 information, there is no corroboration with his story and he gets to live as a hero for the Republican party. The man has significant tax liens cause he refuses to pay taxes and oh yah has spoken to criminal biker gangs for "protection". He also thinks abortion is the biggest national security threat and believes in a flat tax and frequently makes horrible claims about history. But hey, he wears a uniform so he must be a great guy.
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Aeka 2.0 posted:I basically went ahead and quoted this almost word for word, hope you don't mind. I followed up that neither of us are going to change positions on the matter and said there was no further point in discussing it. I'm out of that crazy thread. I need to say this again, NO ONE WAS ABLE TO CORROBORATE ANYTHING HE SAID. Allen West is just an all around bad person and it's quite tragic he won.
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Aeka 2.0 posted:holy poo poo these guys Talk about his outstanding IRS liens and see them go even farther off the deep end.
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Nucleic Acids posted:Apparently, so is the United States Army. The US Army told him he was going to face a court martial, so he retired to save his pension.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:More crazy from one of my old Navy friends: Is he calling for the assassination of a public official?
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dur posted:Remember, never try to actually acknowledge and work against racism - instead just keep telling yourself that the Other Team is the real villains! Given the history of right wing activism too, you can't be sure if these are plants or not. Not to sound too crazy.
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No one was able to corroborate Allen West's account of what happened, there was no ambush, and he said that he might of been wrong. This is before we talk about some of the arrogant, bullying, and vitriolic statements he has made. The man is a psychopath and hides behind his uniform.
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He is buying into culture war rhetoric about other religions. He says that Islam is the enemy and their inherent believes make them violent. When he was question about which believes he was referring to, he told a man to leave since he can't answer the question. Which indicates to me, he only says that because he believes his Christianity is superior to all believes. He essentially thinks that anyone who practices Islam is a violent barbarian. This extends to anyone who dares disagree with him. In Allen West's own words: "The malignant narcissism of the President, and the liberal progressives, is laser focused on the disrespect and the destruction of the American Warrior class. They detest anyone who has the courage of conviction and love of America, something which they find unconscionable " "Liberals seek to destroy any institution of intrinsic value: God, country, family, honor, valor, courage, VIRTUE... Why? Because if such things exist, then they must be defended, which brings them back to their fear of action." Sorry, that's a psychopath to me. Only his feelings and believes matter. He then ignores repeated violent rhetoric from the Tea Party, Christians, and Timothy McVeighs in the world saying that the liberals are trying to destroy America. edit: Also, how do the non-violent protests in Eygpt and the rest of the Middle East fit his world view. Mooseontheloose fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Feb 24, 2011 |
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Thenipwax posted:Nah, I've got your back. Muslims are terrible people and I am scared of them too! Torture is all in the eye of the beholder, and I could give a gently caress what the U.N. considers torture. Europeans are the coolest, but only the white ones. That's not helpful. I think the main problem we are experiencing here is that you feel that Muslims happen to be inherently violent. Yet you can express the why. Much in the same way Allen West is expressing himself. He is just sure that the others are violent. Do you see how this maybe a problem? And this maybe a little inside baseball but Allen West was essentially forced to retire because the Army was going to launch a full investigation where he would lose his pension if he lost. At least that is the story but the Republicans fought to politicize his actions.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Well, I guess the next time a natural disaster hits a Southern State I am obligated to post "THAT WAS FOR FORT SUMTER!" Alternatively, that was for slavery.
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The most basic way to think about this is that you are a citizen of a country and you are bound by it's law because you are a citizen. You (theoretically at least) receive all the benefits of the country as well. Mainly, it is used for making sure you don't say stupid things like well murder is legal in this country, so you can't do anything about it.
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Narbo posted:I thought there were no rules in international waters and that's why sailors can get gay married on an aircraft carrier (but it doesn't count when you get back to land). So you gave an example of something that happened that is non-binding. Again, it's fairly simple you are ruled by the citizenship of the country you claim.
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Narbo posted:Well then I am a citizen of the international water nation Atlantis, where everyone is gay married and smokes cigars I am starting to think you are making things up...
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21stCentury posted:I`m not well-acquainted with the American electoral process... Every state is worth a certain value that equals the number of reps and senators it has. RI has 4 for example, MA 12, TX 34(?). In most states if you win the majority of votes in state you get the state's value. Get 270 electoral votes and win. It is a way to protect smaller states from being over run by bigger states.
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21stCentury posted:I don't think I understand the purpose of that. It just seems fairer to go with a straight tally. It makes little sense to me that if there's a 51%/49% split, it turns into a 100%/0%. (Maybe I misunderstand, though) More like lower population states have a bigger effect on the election. Off the top of my head Massachusetts has 6 million people, Maine has 1 million. Maine gets 4 votes, Mass. gets 12. So instead of a 6:1 advantage, Mass now only has has a 3:1 advantage. It allows rural states to have a say in the government and have presidents tailor some policy towards them.
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21stCentury posted:Wouldn't it be a lot more efficient to have the presidential elections work independently of state elections? I would assume the rural states would have a lot more luck getting a say with a statesman than by helping one president over the other... Surprisingly, states are decent at handling elections and creates a clear delineation of who is charge and who to sue if something goes wrong.
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Childlike Empress posted:^^^ Nebraska distributes their votes proportionately, because the Lincoln/Omaha metro area was tired of getting lumped in with the rural western part of the state (or vice versa). First great email! Secondly, Nebraska isn't exactly proportional. Each district is voted on separately, and whoever wins the majority in the state gets the two senate votes. Exactly like Maine.
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Thenipwax posted:I don't think they understand that the government is NOT analogous to running a business, as the government isn't out to make a profit. It's an obvious point, but it is lost on most conservatives. I have noticed talking to a few conservatives or business majors is that they are obsessed with making sure that businesses get a good deal and that everything benefits the economy.
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Expect the affirmative action president forward to start soon. Cause, so sayeth Donald Trump!quote:"How does a bad student go to Columbia and then to Harvard? I'm thinking about it, I'm certainly looking into it. Let him show his records," he said, without providing backup for his claim.
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Diseased Yak posted:My dad was rather quick on the draw, shotgunning this out less than an hour after Obama's press conference. No idea where he got it. IT DOESN'T loving MATTER, HE WAS BORN ON US SOIL, ERGO HE IS A US CITIZEN. WHAT IN THE EVER LOVING gently caress!
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XyloJW posted:A friend responded to that repost with "Obama did not pull the trigger the same way that Osama did not fly the planes on 9/11." How much of a poo poo storm did that cause? Also, with the divorce for America, how do people expect to pay for an army with no taxes?
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