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chesh
Apr 19, 2004

That was terrible.

Hardcore Phonography posted:



I concede the point on hilarity alone.

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chesh
Apr 19, 2004

That was terrible.
This guy thinks that Hitler was gay. Hitler = Obama ispo facto OBAMA IS GAY.

chesh
Apr 19, 2004

That was terrible.

RagnarokAngel posted:

The F-16s out of Fresno fly CAP for west coast.

Unless there's some military CAP that I don't know about, CAP stands for Civil Air Patrol. It's an entirely volunteer, civilian run organization, and in all my years of participating in CAP I never once got to fly an F16.

So either this e-mail is a lie or I am going to be freakin' pissed at my CO.

chesh
Apr 19, 2004

That was terrible.

the yellow dart posted:

I assume the article refers to a Combat Air Patrol (this is what is being referred to when in movies they talk about flying a cap in an area).

Ah, thank you, that makes much more sense.

chesh
Apr 19, 2004

That was terrible.
There was a lot of this bullshit diagnosis stuff going around when Bush was in office, too. One idiot wrote an actual book, sold in real book stores (!), where he psychoanalyzed Bush using nothing more than publically available video and statements:

quote:

Dr. Frank diagnosed the President suffering from Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD); an Oedipal Complex; untreated and uncured alcoholism (“dry drunk"); paranoia; sadism; psychical reality; and a megalomania complex. He keenly observed that Bush throughout his entire life has been struggling to manage his anxiety. It is through various ways of managing anxiety that Bush has revealed his psychoses.

Of course, most of that is likely true...

chesh
Apr 19, 2004

That was terrible.

quote:

Oedipal Complex

Oh gently caress, I just remembered what his mother looks like.

chesh
Apr 19, 2004

That was terrible.
Hunting out in the wild, I spotted a breeding ground of crazy political e-mails. Here, in this nest, you can see how they are born.

quote:

Do you think that the Oil Spill in the gulf was an accident? Some say that the agenda of Obama administration is Depopulation. Do you think it is kind of strange that the "so-called accident" happened right before the summer season started? And why such a slow and fruitless response by the U.S. Government? Do you know ...that the oil and toxic dispersents will kill all life in the ocean for decades and that Al-Qaeda itself could not have planned or carried out a better toxic attack on the United States than BP. Billions have been spent on this War on Terror, and the worst attack is by The U.S governments best friends, the oil tycoons. All soldiers should be protecting our borders from this toxic death, but yet, none are. This only supports the idea that this toxic spill was deliberate and is yet another blow to the U.S. dollar and American economy. Sure this was an accident, just like September 11th, 2001 wasn't a satanic ritual to welcome the anit-christ. Here's some footage of the explosions as Bush and his Skull n Bones friends deliberately demolished and imploded the Twin Towers.
CBS News, Dedicated to the evil one and his lies. Listen to the demolition of the Twin Towers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A9X_8flGeM

DEEP HORIZON WAS AN INSIDE JOB! DEEP HORIZON WAS AN INSIDE JOB!

Also our soldiers should be protecting our beaches from oil. And that's just one post on a whole page of crazy.

quote:

I knew a man who survived in German's death camps, and who came over here. I talked to him about it the other day and he said that although Hitler was horrible, he at least wasn't black.

chesh fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Jun 19, 2010

chesh
Apr 19, 2004

That was terrible.
If only getting any sort of social service assistance was as simple as these people make it out to be. A friend of mine recently lost his job and I was kind of mortified to learn that he can't get unemployment for 5 to 8 weeks after his termination.

chesh
Apr 19, 2004

That was terrible.

Childlike Empress posted:

Oh hey, an e-mail from mom. Oh sh

quote:

NEW YORK CITY was a form of the internet years before the real one came along.

:psyduck:

hahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahaha how did you all miss this gem?

chesh
Apr 19, 2004

That was terrible.

Mordiceius posted:

Under Obama’s politically correct ROE, our soldiers and
Marines were required to fight with one hand tied behind
their backs. McChrystal could not have been happy
about that.

I've heard that a lot of troops aren't too happy about COIN in certain situations, but isn't COIN largely Patreus' concoction and McChrystal's implementation, tested and verified in Iraq?

quote:

Defense Secretary Robert Gates has directed the military services to adopt a set of counterinsurgency tools modeled after ones instituted in Afghanistan by Army Gen. Stanley McChrystal, said a senior Pentagon official.

Gates signed a directive on Monday ordering the services to “take McChrystal’s COIN training and proficiency standards ... and adapt those for the whole force,” Garry Reid, deputy assistant secretary of defense for special operations and combat terrorism, told Defense News on Tuesday.

I mean, that's just the Army Time but I guess they have to bow to Commissar Obama now too!

chesh
Apr 19, 2004

That was terrible.

xanthig posted:

I have a long string of crazy forwarded political e-mails from my father. Recently, I have been exploring ways to counter troll him, and then I stumbled upon this thread.

So I sent him this e-mail. I got the link from earlier on in the thread.


I got this in response.


Hot drat! That felt good.


At some point I'll make up a "best of" of all the craziness he has sent me, and my responses to it.

I thought you wanted to talk about the weather and then it's all just friend of the family friend of the family friend of the family!

chesh
Apr 19, 2004

That was terrible.

El Boot posted:

Oh goddammit

(notracist)

I was listening to the Town Hall Roundup on the radio last night, which is part of townhall.com, and they basically review the week in Right Wing Talk. I was pretty appalled to hear several talk show hosts defend that racist screed from the tea bagger... this one.

He's not racist, but the NAACP is!

chesh
Apr 19, 2004

That was terrible.

Coitus_Interruptus posted:

I'd like to ask, how healthy are the relationships you guys have with the immediate family that believes in and forwards you this absolute crap?

If my mom and dad firmly believed in this kind of poo poo I'm not such a melodramatic child that I would never talk to them or anything like that but I imagine that their deep belief in an ideology I find morally bankrupt would certainly harm our ability to have a healthy relationship.

Like crime fighting hog, my Dad is a huge Republican. He's actually a Nixon apologist. One of my first memories is watching the Iran Contra hearings on TV with him.

As soon as Obama announced, I told my Dad he would be the next President. We had a lot of good discussions about the field on both sides, but we argued over Bush's presidency. He supported me entirely in my (rather active) efforts to get Obama elected.

And then Obama won and he went Right Wing LOONY. He doesn't believe the birther poo poo but he has no problem calling Obama a socialist.

So basically, for the sanity of both of us, we only discuss politics when drunk, and other people in the room shut us up, like my absolutely-hates-politics-step-mother.

We also learned years ago when arguing politics a neat trick that works for the whole family: we raise our hands when we have a rebuttal. The person speaking gets to finish, then the first one with their hand up gets to rebut, etc.. It's a little kindergarten but it works for us. Also allows us to mock people who present dumb ideas because we like to pretend we're both smarter than anyone else in the room.

chesh
Apr 19, 2004

That was terrible.

HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

*breathe*

:laffo:

Goddamn Solicitor General representin' the Government's opinion!

chesh
Apr 19, 2004

That was terrible.

Boondock Saint posted:

Came to post this one, so I'll post this one instead.


Yeah? Where the gently caress were you when Bush vacationed all the loving time in Crawford?

Also in regards to that weapons email, I like how they say the weapons were a mixed variety of Russian, Chinese and Afghan made weapons.

When the gently caress did Afghanistan start importing weapons?

Why can't Michelle Obama and her security detail vacation like normal people????

These guys really don't understand the security required for a head of state, since the closest anyone got to Bush ever was a flying shoe.

chesh
Apr 19, 2004

That was terrible.

Brennanite posted:


We did not have Play Stations, Nintendos and X-boxes. There were

no video games, no 150 channels on cable,

no video movies or DVDs,

no surround-sound or CDs,

no cell phones,

no personal computers,

no Internet and no chat rooms.

quote:

These generations have produced some of the best risk-takers,

problem solvers, and inventors ever.

Yes, those of you who did not DIE OF POLIO gave us Play Stations, Nintendos and X-boxes, video games, cable TV, DVD's, CD's surround sound, cell phones, personal computers, the internet and chat rooms! Not to mentions electronic mail that allows you to share your bullshit!

chesh
Apr 19, 2004

That was terrible.
I need help refuting a facebook thing, please.

I posted:

Poll: 56% of chesh thinks Americans are tarded.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129291805&sc=fb&cc=fp

liberal friend posted:

How many of the respondents can correctly describe what a Muslim is?

I posted:

96% of chesh guesses that figure to be at 12.

conservative friend posted:

I don't understand why they would ask the question in the first place. Who cares what religion he is when his economic policies will add more debt to the bottom line than all other presidents in U.S. history combined and his foreign policy spits in the face of our longest held allies while opening up the checkbook to people who state that they'd like to kill us?

I posted:

[citation needed]

conservative friend posted:

On the deficit, I was wrong. His economic policies will result in a mere doubling of the national public debt to $11.5 trillion (assuming, of course, that increased top marginal tax rated don't have the historical effect of reducing revenue to the government).
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/100xx/doc10014/03-20-PresidentBudget.pdf

On the checkbook thing: England can have back their Churchill bust and Israel can't get a photo with PBO, but we can rebuild mosques the world over and send a guy who accused the U.S. of being complicit in the 9/11/2001 attacks abroad as a state department emissary.
http://www.usaid.gov/oig/public/fy09rpts/9-000-09-009-p.pdf

Go U.S.!

wtf is he talking about? Like, on all counts.

chesh
Apr 19, 2004

That was terrible.

Grem posted:

He's saying deficit spending won't work, that we shouldn't rebuild the mosque's we bombed, and the guy building the Ground Zero Mosque wants to kill us because he said the U.S.'s policies were an accomplice to the 9/11 attacks.

That's what he's talking about. Besides the first one, which really won't be proven until a few years from now, he's wrong. Drawing a parallel to saying "maybe we should of rethought that whole stationing troops in Saudi Arabia thing" to "I want to kill America" is dumb beyond words. The bombs we dropped on mosque's cost more than rebuilding them, so who wasted more money in that deal?

Ugh, thank you. You are awesome and smart because I seriously couldn't even parse that poo poo. Just to keep the thing rolling:


conservative "friend" posted:

I've found that the best arguments are supported by reliably sourced information. I haven't named the Godwin's corollary yet, but relying on the internet information equivalent of Muhammad Saeed al-Sahhaf is definitely a roll over and bare your underside move.

OK, what the gently caress, seriously.

I posted:

First off, that last thing you said there makes no sense. Mike linked a graph based on a CBO number projection analysis done by the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, which is a non-partisan think tank. Since you already linked CBO numbers, that's fair game, and no Godwin bullshit applies.

Second, you can't blame a guy two years in for all the wrongs of an economy that was crashing when the last rear end in a top hat was still in charge.

Third of all, even if you're right, it really won't be proven until a few years from now. Feel free to bring it back up then. Wasn't Bush the one who said that history will be the final word on a presidency?

Fourth, drawing a parallel to saying "maybe we should of rethought that whole stationing troops in Saudi Arabia thing" to "I want to kill America" is dumb beyond words. The bombs we dropped on mosque's cost more than rebuilding them, so who wasted more money in that deal?

My punching meter is rising.

chesh
Apr 19, 2004

That was terrible.

Blarghalt posted:

Bill Ayers wrote both of Obama's books? That's a new one.

Unfortunately, it's not. It goes all the way back to the campaign.

chesh
Apr 19, 2004

That was terrible.

Suzumiya Haruhi-tan posted:

1. Islam has not been hijacked. The Bible was written by multiple people over hundreds of years. It contains vague stories full of contradictions that Christians interpret as they please.


INFALLIBLE WORD OF GOD, MOTHERFUCKER, DO YOU SPEAK IT?

chesh
Apr 19, 2004

That was terrible.

RagnarokAngel posted:

...augh.

I'm still catching up on this thread, but can anyone tell me where:

quote:

4. You wipe your butt with your bare hand, but consider bacon unclean.
You may be a Muslim

loving comes from? I mean, seriously.

chesh
Apr 19, 2004

That was terrible.
I spent the last week catching up on this thread, and I wanted to share a story, and you can feel free to share it around if you see a need to.


I grew up on welfare. At one point, my two parents and my brother and I lived in tents at the reservoir for six months. My parents made it seem like we were just camping, for an extended period of time. Later, when I was 11, we moved in to a motel, where my parents, my brother, and my two new sisters stayed for 3 years in two rooms.

Eventually, my parents divorced and the situation for us children improved dramatically. According to Republicans, it would have been better for my parents to stay together and us all continue to live in poverty.

I was a straight A student who could not afford to go to college, mostly because of how my parents had hosed up their finances in their 20's to the point that getting student loans wasn't even an option.

So I moved to a city in the state I wanted to attend school. I got a job, first as a receptionist, then as an office manager, and then as a tech for a web hosting company. I had no experience, but I knew how to build a computer and I was a hard worker. I started this last job in March of 2000 at $8.00 an hour. I was able to work full time and take classes part time and never get a student loan.

In November of 2010 I was laid off from that job. I was a dedicated, hard worker who had become close friends with the CEO. However, he had to do a round of cutting, and I was on the block because I was making $29.00 an hour. I understand the economics, and I wasn't bitter, and we're still friends. He told me, to the horror of the HR person present, that "You're the only one I feel really, personally, bad about." He also threw me some under-the-table work in the following months.

I had never been unemployed before. I am not gonna lie here -- I spent a month slacking off before I even looked at updating my resume. And then I made a bunch of cost cutting decisions -- threw out cable, moved to a cheaper and much smaller apartment, stopped buying healthier food in favor of the cheaper food, sold furniture I didn't need (and wouldn't fit in the new, smaller place), and I had to go to a debt consolidation agency to manage my credit card debt.

I did not sell the 60" flat screen TV I got in the breakup several years prior. I guess this means I kept living high on the federal hog.

I also applied for and was DENIED food stamps and health care coverage, because unemployment paid me too much. Guess I would have been better off if I was Mexican!

I spent 10 months on unemployment. An offer for a new job came in on August 4, 2011, exactly 10 months to the day of my being let go. I start next week. This after MONTHS of interviews leading to bupkis, which did nothing but diminish my personal morale.

It was absolute hell, and if the social safety net hadn't caught me...

According to Republicans, I did everything right, I bootstrapped the poo poo out of my life, and then ended up a pariah on the government teat anyway.

I went out to visit my Dad back in May. He was laid off in 2000 and hasn't found work since, partly due to some serious injuries that have left him debilitated. That does not, in any way, stop him for railing against welfare queens and what-not. He was subjecting me to Hannity on Fox while I was visiting, and they were talking about the unemployment rate, and he said "But then there are people like you, who really are looking."

"Dad, EVERYONE is like me. Absolutely no one sits back on unemployment and says 'Gee, I sure am happy making half or less of my previous pay while having absolutely nothing to fill my days while increasingly being turned away and falling deeper in to depression. This sure is the life.'"

Knowing someone who has actually benefited from government assistance (or having lived through it yourself, you idiot) did not wipe away the idea of the Welfare Queen for him, and I really had no way to combat it.

And the other 6 people laid off with me? None of them have been lucky enough to find employment yet. So yeah, that's my story. The government Unemployment Insurance that I had paid in to for 13 years kept my dog and I from being homeless, but did cause me to default on some credit card debt, so all in all I am a horrible mooch who clearly lacked the motivation for gainful employment in the eyes of the right wing.

chesh
Apr 19, 2004

That was terrible.

quote:

The economy is so bad that I got a pre-declined credit card in the mail. CEO's are now playing miniature golf. Exxon-Mobile laid off 25 Congressmen. Angelina Jolie adopted a child from America. Motel Six won't leave the light on anymore. A picture is now only worth 200 words.They renamed Wall Street " Wal-Mart Street" and, finally, I called the Suicide Hotline. I got a call center in Pakistan and when I told them I was suicidal, they got all excited, and asked if I could drive a truck.

Followed by 12 responses of OH HO HO HO SO FUNNY KNEE SLAPPER .

chesh
Apr 19, 2004

That was terrible.
Honestly it's not that people are dumb, it's that our tax system is stupid hard. Intellectually I understand that it's a sliding scale and your taxed x% on money up to x$amount and then y% on y$amount but gently caress you math is hard and I can't figure that poo poo out in my head.

chesh
Apr 19, 2004

That was terrible.
What I am saying is that when you have the charts handy it's awesome and makes perfect sense but when I am talking to my Dad (who has no right to talk because he's on disability but when has that ever stopped a tea-partier) taxes are a lot harder to explain. Seriously, one of you needs to make a handy, small, printable version of the tax chart we can pepper America with. That would go a long way to educating people that I honestly don't think are dumb people but that have never had it simply explained to them in an easy-to-understand way.

The problem isn't "people don't understand tax brackets" is that they don't understand taxes in general. If you (the Media you) say "On average you pay 35% in taxes" then all people do is say "I make $14 an hour, times 40 hours, divide by 35% OMG gently caress OBAMA." All they think of is the payroll tax, what is IMMEDIATELY visible as missing from their pay. If there was an EASY (like first grade math easy) way to explain taxes to these people it would go a HUGE way toward educating the public about how much they pay vs how much Warren Buffet pays.

I'm saying tax brackets aren't explained to people as clearly and concisely as Malcolm laid them out above. People don't pay attention because they look at their take home pay and not the rate at which they are taxed, so when a politician "wants to raise taxes" all they see is "money less in my paycheck." That has to change.

chesh
Apr 19, 2004

That was terrible.

My Uncle on Facebook posted:

If Guns Kill People, Do Pencils Misspell Words?

YES THESE ARE TOTALLY COMPARABLE TOOLS.

chesh
Apr 19, 2004

That was terrible.
I've not been following OWS close enough, apparently. I get the 99%, I get the 1%, who the gently caress are the 53%?

chesh
Apr 19, 2004

That was terrible.

XyloJW posted:

47% of people* don't pay taxes.** Ergo, 53% do. They are the "53%."***


*includes children, the elderly, the unemployed, the disabled, and the retired.
**Only speaking of income taxes, after deductions and refunds. Payroll taxes, sales taxes, property taxes, and other taxes are not included.
***No, they're not.

...that is loving retarded. *sigh*

chesh
Apr 19, 2004

That was terrible.

Sarion posted:

The only "welfare" that gets extended, is unemployment insurance, which you and your boss paid into when you were working, like other kinds of insurance. And by definition you had to have been working to get it. Calling unemployment insurance welfare is like saying its welfare when your homeowner's insurance pays to have your house rebuilt after a fire.

It's also worth pointing out that just because you are unemployed does not guarentee unemployment insurance. If you are fired for cause you don't get it -- and those causes vary from stealing from the company to the smallest "took an unauthorized break" in right-to-work states. I was able to receive 10 months of unemployment benefits after being laid off (rather, I got a job after ten months of being laid off; I could have gotten it extended) whereas a guy I know who was managing a store gave himself a 10 minute break while he was the manager on-duty and the company fired him. He was denied unemployment, appealed, and lost.

When I was out visiting my folks while unemployed, my father subjected me to Sean Hannity, and they were discussing all these shiftless people on unemployment not looking for work. "But that's not you, you're trying to find a job," my Dad says.

"EVERYONE is trying to find a job, Dad. No one thinks 'Man, I can sit on my rear end feeling unproductive and useless making one half or less of what I made when I had an employer, what a way to live!!!'"

I worked for a company of 65 people. They laid off seven people. At 10 months I was the first one to find a job. One year anniversary is a few days off, they're all still looking. loving welfare queens.

chesh
Apr 19, 2004

That was terrible.

ApathyGifted posted:

Give me 2 hours with these dumbshits on a farm and I'll have them crying.

Or dead, that happens too. Dismembered is more common though.

I get where you're coming from, but why's it gotta be manual labor? These fucktards couldn't last two hours doing customer service at a Starbucks during morning rush. I don't know anyone on Wall Street who could be polite enough to a table of four to actually make a 15% tip at the end of the meal.

chesh
Apr 19, 2004

That was terrible.
I'm not sure I actually want to know the answer, but what the gently caress is PUA /MRA?

chesh
Apr 19, 2004

That was terrible.

Dominion posted:

It's worse than you think. It's an entire community of guys who follow published guides and tactics designed to "exploit loopholes in female psychology" and basically use the secret Konami code to try to trick women into sleeping with them.

I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.

chesh
Apr 19, 2004

That was terrible.

ts12 posted:

There are actually different factions of PUA who all apparently are at odds with each other. According to my wonderful PUA friend, the group who are into Mystery and peacocking are "losers", the group who practice Neuro-linguistic programming (http://www.pualingo.com/pua-definitions/neuro-linguistic-programming-nlp/) (it basically involves what they believe to be brainwashing women into having sex with you) are "not cool", and the rest who are "normal" people. I'm just glad I convinced him to take a gender studies course this semester :unsmith: small victories

PUAs are trash and here is probably the best example of it:

The Door

As a strong, independent woman, I shall make it my life mission to slap the ever loving gently caress out of any woman who falls for this bullshit.

chesh
Apr 19, 2004

That was terrible.

mintskoal posted:

Put me in charge of Medicaid. The first thing I'd do is to get women Norplant birth control implants or tubal ligations.
:psyduck:

Again, anecdotal evidence, but: I've been going to Planned Parenthood for birth control since I was 18. I started out there because I had no health insurance, I continued because when I had insurance they were close, and I continued BEYOND that because I liked the idea of my insurance helping to pay for women who didn't have coverage. I have gone to Planned Parenthood exclusively for my birth control for the last 14 years.

In 2010 I was laid off, and going in for my birth control every three months with NO insurance cost me $43 every three months. Honestly, on unemployment, with no other assistance available to me? It was hard. But it STILL also helped women who had less than me.

And yet, every time I went down for my BC and found protesters, PP got a couple extra bucks out of my Ramen account.

Norplant? gently caress this post. If men hadn't spent 2,000 years claiming women and their children as property, you wouldn't have so many unwed mothers, you wouldn't have dead-beat Dads, and you wouldn't have this patriarchal bullshit idea that only women have unwanted children that leech off the government teet. Here's a better idea: Let's run your DNA through a national databank, and if you have FATHERED a child, you automatically forfeit your take home for the next 18 years. Fair????

Sarion posted:

True, which is why I think goku chewbacca was advocating a more European approach in which kids get a well rounded education followed by vocational schooling for kids who have no interest or aren't ready for university, and university for those that are. All (or nearly all) paid for by the State. But apparently coming together to pay to have future generations of children educated to a level which actually makes them economically useful is just crazy.

The lack of home ec/shop/practical arts classes in America can be traced to so many baristas....

chesh
Apr 19, 2004

That was terrible.
So I just watched the video here: http://gawker.com/5864280/hero-high-school-student-fights-michele-bachmann-over-gay-marriage

My question is about her (and every GOP candidates) diatribe against the Department of Education. Seriously, what's the gripe? I went to 14 elementary schools in one state, three junior highs in one state, and four high schools in three different states. I would have killed a hobo for a homogenous curriculum I could have gotten my head around. Every few months was like dropping me in to a war zone of math, science, and reading I hadn't experienced in the last place, ESPECIALLY when you're talking switching states.

chesh
Apr 19, 2004

That was terrible.

Sarion posted:

Its any easy target for stirring up anti-federal nonsense. People think they know what it does, they think its a Federal overreach and a waste of money, even though they don't and it isn't.

Been a while since I looked at the break down of the DoEd budget but I remember it being something like:

1) Student loans and programs to help/encourage more kids get an education beyond high school

2) Programs to help disabled students

3) Studies to measure which States do a better job providing public education and why (I think this was 6% of the budget)

4) poo poo like No Child Left Behind

DoEd actually does very little with Public education, but people whine about how since it was created, public schools haven't gotten better. So it must be a total waste! If it was shut down the biggest impact would be people no longer being able to afford college, yay!

Yeah, the cognitive dissonance actually physically hurts my brain.

chesh
Apr 19, 2004

That was terrible.
Just saw this posted to Facebook

quote:

The Muppets Are Communist, Fox Business Network Says

It ain't easy being green, but according to Fox Business, Kermit the Frog and his Muppet friends are reds.

Last week, on the network's "Follow the Money" program, host Eric Bolling went McCarthy on the new, Disney-released film, "The Muppets," insisting that its storyline featuring an evil oil baron made it the latest example of Hollywood's so-called liberal agenda.

Bolling, who took issue with the baron's name, Tex Richman, was joined by Dan Gainor of the conservative Media Research Center, who was uninhibited with his criticism.

"It's amazing how far the left will go just to manipulate your kids, to convince them, give the anti-corporate message," he said.

"They've been doing it for decades. Hollywood, the left, the media, they hate the oil industry," Gainor continued. "They hate corporate America. And so you'll see all these movies attacking it, whether it was 'Cars 2,' which was another kids' movie, the George Clooney movie 'Syriana,' 'There Will Be Blood,' all these movies attacking the oil industry, none of them reminding people what oil means for most people: fuel to light a hospital, heat your home, fuel an ambulance to get you to the hospital if you need that. And they don't want to tell that story."

Indeed, there was no mention of the benefits of oil drilling in the Muppets, but there was also no discussion of any other aspect of the industry. Richman, played by Chris Cooper, was out to destroy the Muppets theater. Kermit and his friends, then, were not committed environmentalists (though one must imagine the frog is concerned with his swampy homeland) but simply puppets looking to save a place they once loved.

Still, Gainor blamed the film, and its predecessors, for Occupy Wall Street and the environmental movement.

"This is what they're teaching our kids. You wonder why we've got a bunch of Occupy Wall Street people walking around all around the country, they've been indoctrinated, literally, for years by this kind of stuff," Gainor said. "Whether it was 'Captain Planet' or Nickelodeon's 'Big Green Help,' or 'The Day After Tomorrow,' the Al Gore-influenced movie, all of that is what they're teaching, is that corporations is bad, the oil industry is bad, and ultimately what they're telling kids is what they told you in the movie 'The Matrix': that mankind is a virus on poor old mother Earth."

The Teletubbies were unavailable for comment. Mahna-Mahna.

chesh
Apr 19, 2004

That was terrible.

Asnorban posted:

This was recently linked on my Facebook -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bavou_SEj1E&feature=share

Followed by a string of comments (mostly from family) such as:
- Thank you Government Entitlement Policies, you can claim absolute success of your programs.
- Who's gonna pay for all my kids?
- Isn't that what uncle Sammy is for? They expect more than holiday appearances.

It bugs the poo poo out of me that these people will use one video, featuring one person who does fit the "welfare queen" stereotype and apply it to welfare / entitlement programs as a whole. I have started a few responses but I always end up just angrily ranting rather than saying anything coherent or knowing any studies to show.

You could point out this is the alternative: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/07/us/woman-seeking-food-stamps-shoots-her-children.html?_r=1&ref=us

:(

chesh
Apr 19, 2004

That was terrible.

Amarkov posted:

It's every slut-shaming tactic wrapped up in one. Your sexuality is a commodity that you dispense like a cow dispenses milk; if you give away this commodity for free, people won't think it has any value and that is your fault.

I never give it away for free. You have to buy me some drinks first.

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chesh
Apr 19, 2004

That was terrible.

Leospeare posted:

I doubt Tebow is as pious as he makes himself out to be, he's just milking it for his 15 minutes and laughing at the Christians when the cameras are off.

I can't wait until his Tiger Woods-style sex scandal. Not if, when.

Tebow wrote 3:16 in his black face paint all through college, and appeared in an anti-abortion ad with his Mom in last years super bowl. He really is that pious.

And will totally have a sex scandal.

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