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Sock on a Fish
Jul 17, 2004

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RagnarokAngel posted:

The middle class buying houses beyond their means is what got us in this mess, for example.

Not even the dissent on the FCIC report lays blame squarely at the feet of mortgage borrowers. The closest it gets is impugning government policy that relaxed lending requirements.

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Sock on a Fish
Jul 17, 2004

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No one has been able to explain to me why young men and women serve in the
U.S. Military for 20 years, risking their lives protecting freedom, and only get 50%
of their pay. While politicians hold their political positions in the safe confines
of the capital, protected by these same men and women, and receive full pay
retirement after serving one term. It just does not make any sense.

It took me a few readings to figure out that "50% of their pay" was in reference to pension.

Here's a couple of links to debunk the pension claim about members of Congress: http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blcongress.htm
http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/uscongress/a/congresspay.htm

With an average pension pay of $40k and congressional salaries of $174k, there's just no way that they're getting the claimed benefit.

It looks like retirement from the military does yield a pension of about 50% pay, but the nominal figure gets adjusted up each year to keep pace with inflation. You also get to retire after year 20, which could yield a pension for a 38 year old.

Sock on a Fish
Jul 17, 2004

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Anosmoman posted:

On two separate occasions I have randomly bumped into American tourists in Europe who have expressed surprise that people seem wealthy or the country they are visiting isn't a shithole. One girl reassured her friends that it's just the tourist areas - obviously the rest of the country isn't like that...

I wish you guys would travel more :geno:

I think one of the reasons we don't is that America is so goddamn big all by itself and we're seriously hurting for vacation days compared to the rest of the developed world. I've got a nice upper middle class job, and I still only get 14 days per year combined vacation and sick days. Friends get even less, which makes it even harder to coordinate a trip.

I'd love to travel to Europe, but the plane ticket alone is going to run me more than $1000, and transportation is going to eat a day of vacation each way. However, I can drive to any national park within a few hundred miles for cheap and arrive before the sun sets.

Sock on a Fish
Jul 17, 2004

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crime fighting hog posted:

Got another hand written letter today from a guy who said he's running for president:

The English pirated Spanish shippers and stole areas for the early 13 colonies from Spain. Jackson stole Florida from Spain. Texas and the Southwest U.S. states were taken from Mexico. Now the W.A.S.P. that created the fantastic infrastructure there are going extinct due to birth controls since about 1900! In the Spanish American War we should have realized God wants a United State of Earth! Hawaii is not part of America! But we should have annexed Cuba and the Philippines!

Now we should offer annexation to Mexico and build infrastructure there while their people provide the population with the mothers willing to have big families that eventually populate the Universe! We should offer annexation to Iraq and the World's areas that need policing for democracy, capitalism, and respect for God! (and people).

What's with the Hawaii quote? Birtherism?

Sock on a Fish
Jul 17, 2004

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ought ten posted:

I guess tax season is stupid text season too.


I don't know what he grosses or where he got the 66% number but if I had to guess I'd say from his rear end.

Am I reading this wrong or is he working 75 hours per week to make ~$30k? Unemployment maxes out at about $400 per week, which is about $20k per year. Of course, if he's making that little, he'd qualify for less than $400 per week.

He's working four lovely minimum wage jobs?

The exact numbers vary by state, of course.

Sock on a Fish
Jul 17, 2004

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El Boot posted:

The White House, unfortunately, is a joke now anyway. He certainly couldn’t harm it in any way. Think Clintin started the nose dive. Being someone self-employed I appreciate someone who is not a lawyer or someone who has been handed their inheritance and therefore has no other ambition, but to run for an office. He understands how unfair the laws and taxes are for business owners. And he certainly understands how this health care will destroy free market. But, we all have reasons why we support one candidate over another. I simply wish he would just say what his relationship is with Jesus. Other than his failed marriages, he seems to have good morals and values. Think we’ve all had some, several! screw-ups…..?

Haha, yes, Trump is a self-made man and did not have a super-rich daddy.

Sock on a Fish
Jul 17, 2004

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red19fire posted:

Ok folks, I need your help.


Her parents are leeches that suck Section 8 money from the public teat and are helping Pablo to abuse the disability system.

Also your girlfriend is leeching off her parents' laundry services. She should get a job and use her own resources to provide for herself, either at the laundromat or by upgrading her living situation to include a washer and dryer.

Sock on a Fish
Jul 17, 2004

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XyloJW posted:

Earlier this week, Fox & Friends did a segment where they were explaining (hah) why Planned Parenthood was unnecessary.


It's quite clear that he's referring to blood pressure checks (which is a terrible point, but that's not what I'm getting at here). But Stephen Colbert did a rather hilarious bit, where he made fun of the idea of getting pap smears at Walgreens.

That's fine, it's a satire show. But Media Matters, and my liberal friends on Facebook, are going nuts over how insane these guys are to think people get pap smears at Walgreens; Media Matters even contacted Walgreens and is parading a statement about how Walgreens doesn't do pap smears or breast exams.

Basically, I'm troubled by the lack of critical thinking on this. From the video, it's clear Kilmeade just kind of interjected into the middle of Doocy's sentence, and he was a bit slow (in more ways than one) in commenting on blood pressure checks. And you have to be as stupid and blindly partisan as Kilmeade is himself to not see that. This seems like a pretty good picture of what a liberal Glenn Beck would do, and how an honest conservative must feel with Rush Limbaugh out there howling at the moon.

In the comments on the Mediamatters article, there is ONE person who points out "hey, he probably meant blood pressure checks, as stupid as that is." And people are voting it down!

Eh, in the video Kilmeade doesn't chime in until well after the pap smear part.

Regardless, Doocy was still trying to trivialize the importance of the services that Planned Parenthood provides.

Sock on a Fish
Jul 17, 2004

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Strudel Man posted:

No, it isn't. Nobody's going to actually think you can get a pap smear at Walgreen's. Putting 'D's after the names of disgraced Republican politicians is Fox's misinformation-by-fake-accident; this is just a conversation.

I'm sure that almost no woman would, but the kind of men that support dismantling Planned Parenthood are likely the same kind that are completely ignorant about women's healthcare.

Sock on a Fish
Jul 17, 2004

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XyloJW posted:

Critical thinking time!

A) Kilmeade was referring to blood pressure checks.

Blood pressure machines are at every Walgreens ever. This is consistent with his assertion, though naive and stupid and wrongheaded though the assertion may be!

OR

B) Kilmeade was referring to pap smears.

The only way you can believe that pap smears are offered at Walgreens is if you have A) never been in a Walgreens or super market or B) you don't know what a pap smear is. I suppose Kilmeade might think a pap smear is something that you do while in line at the pharmacy. It'd fit with Zach Parsons's Fox on Sex series, for sure.

"A" simply makes much more sense. Insisting "B" is true, for no reason other than it makes Kilmeade somehow look more stupid than he actually is, is dishonest and makes an impartial observer question other things you've said, to see if you're being dishonest.

The real important thing to take away from this thread isn't "Conservatives are crazy"; it's "Don't believe crazy poo poo".

I don't think I was clear, I'm not an enthusiastic supporter of the interpretation that those two were purposefully trying to state that pap smears are available for free at Walgreen's.

However, I sympathize with those that make that interpretation, since it's so easy to make. Kilmeade doesn't chime in until four seconds after Doocy is done saying "blood pressure checks." Add to that the clear motivation to denigrate the services that Planned Parenthood provides, and I can see how someone could interpret the pap line in reference to Walgreen's.

Even more, I understand how people could be pissed about others running with that interpretation, since the Fox News crowd is quick to latch on to useful misinformation. Obama genuinely believes there are 57 states in the Union and is probably not even eligible for his office, after all.

Sock on a Fish
Jul 17, 2004

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Vivian Darkbloom posted:

doublethink

Orwell coined that word.

Conservatives like to read 1984 and Animal Farm as a warning against all leftism, but Orwell himself was a socialist. His works were warnings against the usurping of peoples' movements by greedy power seekers.

Sock on a Fish
Jul 17, 2004

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crime fighting hog posted:



I'm pretty sure that all of that is less than 5% of the budget, but I'm too lazy to go look up the funding numbers for each tiny program.

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Jul 17, 2004

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THE GAYEST POSTER posted:

Got this, it was all in purple and red.


It's followed up by about 1200 names of people. This was forwarded to me by someone who works for a non-profit and is apparently all about eliminating diseases AS LONG AS WE DON'T HELP THOSE drat BROWNS!

So should I forward it? I don't want to be responsible for the break in the chain!

Reply all and ask for the bill number.

Expect silence, anger, or the number of a bill that either does no such thing or died quietly in committee.

Sock on a Fish
Jul 17, 2004

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crime fighting hog posted:

Oh god:



Did I respond correctly?

What the heck is up with your kerning?

Sock on a Fish
Jul 17, 2004

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MrNemo posted:

The Dept. of Education is because they only want things being taught in school that they personally believe in, they don't give a poo poo about science, factual history or anything similar. If school days in the US consisted of an hour of Christian prayers followed by a day spent in a mixture of Bible study and hearing about how the Constitution was designed to give people guns and preserve traditional family values followed by a short post-lunch lesson on global politics (The US is awesome, some people hate us because they are less awesome), they would fully endorse it. It would be a quick post lunch thing so the kids would have time to work their part-time jobs for the rest of the day.

It's actually about uppity blacks attending our white schools, and also girls playing sports, along with a bit of pining for teacher-led prayer. The Department of Education has no role in curriculum, it pretty much just enforces civil rights laws and administers grants and loans for higher education.

Sock on a Fish
Jul 17, 2004

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BatteredFeltFedora posted:

"So?" is the correct answer. They're still celebrating the birth of Christ. Ever had a party on a Saturday because your birthday fell on Wednesday? Same thing.

It's more like having your birthday on June 13 because some rear end in a top hat you hate has his birthday on June 13 and you want to overshadow his stupid birthday party by appropriating the day for yourself.

I guess your analogy would work if December 25 was already a holiday and people were just searching for a time close to the real birthday that everyone would already have off from work.

Sock on a Fish
Jul 17, 2004

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Dr. Arbitrary posted:

The only moral entitlement is MY entitlement:


This is pretty incredulous. How can an individual be Judeo-Christian? Why would someone like this choose to overpay on his taxes?

But then again, well, Poe's Law.

Sock on a Fish
Jul 17, 2004

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winterwerefox posted:

At $5-6/hour, that immigrant is raising 5 kids plus a wife on $10,000 to $12,000 a year, before any taxes, fees, and with holdings to their check. IF they are working full time. 40 hours a week, every week. Not paying car insurance? They likely do not have a car. If they do, it is old enough to buy booze without having to show ID. Not paying Home Insurance? Again.. try buying a home in this day and age for less then $100,000. This is not the 50s-60s, when a house would cost you $13,000, a car $2,200, and gas was 27 cents a gallon. That they do not pay Income Tax is a good thing. They are so on the edge of complete destitution that any relief likely means the difference between food and scavenging. But they have it sooo nice. gently caress off.

They often do pay income tax on stolen identities, which they then don't file income tax returns for.

Sock on a Fish
Jul 17, 2004

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poopchair2000 posted:

Just got this one from dear ol' dad...


Woman kills man for petty theft, is a hero.

Damnit, my dad is such a cool guy outside of his politics, why does he have to send me poo poo like this? And there's no changing him, I've tried. He's way too stubborn. I guess I just have to go back to being passive aggressive at family dinners :(

Reminds me of Joe Horn. He's the guy who shot some people in the back that were stealing something and running away, but it wasn't even his stuff. Also in Texas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLtKCC7z0yc

Grand jury opted not to indict.

Sock on a Fish
Jul 17, 2004

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Vivian Darkbloom posted:

From The Onion: Planned Parenthood Opens $8 Billion Abortionplex

From The Crazies:


Yet another instance of conservatives unable to identify satire.

Sock on a Fish
Jul 17, 2004

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Tars Tarkas posted:

Ramadan (ninth month of the Islamic calendar, lasting from 29 to 30 days)

Looks like that's the only part that's not a lie.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/ramadan.asp

So, what's the deal with lying Evangelicals? Is it just kind of an unwritten rule that lying is okay as long as you lie with good intentions? Is it just something that rubs off on you after sitting through many Sundays of obviously made up bullshit coming from the pulpit?

Sock on a Fish
Jul 17, 2004

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A couple of days ago a woman in line in front of me at the Nordstrom Rack got ridiculously angry at the woman behind her. I think she was mad because the woman was kind of half in line, still browsing the racks next to the line while the line moved.

Anyway, she shoved her cart and told her to "go back to Russia, or wherever you're from!"

I was too taken aback to say anything right then. I thought I might have been on a hidden camera show. A friend of the "Russian" (she was most likely from some other Eastern European country given local demographics) woman came over to ask what happened, and I explained, making sure to say "very xenophobic" loudly. After saying "xenophobic" out loud I realized it's like the least condemning thing I could have said.

Sock on a Fish
Jul 17, 2004

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Yeah, that seems like a great way to waste a lot of corn when you could just set an actual trap and be done with it.

As far as I know wild boar don't forage in groups, either. All my knowledge of this topic comes from reality television, though.

Sock on a Fish
Jul 17, 2004

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tek79 posted:

It's a bunch of lobster tails and a couple of Porterhouse steaks, paid for with food stamps. It ties into the whole "food stamp recipients can't buy anything nice for themselves" argument, as well as abuse of the system arguments. In this case it turned out that the receipt is legit and he was trying to resell what he bought with food stamps for a profit. The guy got caught and is facing 5 years.

Even if he wasn't engaging in fraud, if someone did blow their monthly food allowance on luxuries, they'd be suffering the consequences for the rest of the month. Why would a conservative have a problem with that? Shouldn't they just be smugly looking down on the dumb grasshopper that forgot to store food for the winter or whatever?

Sock on a Fish
Jul 17, 2004

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I think you should not trust in the arm of flesh!

This sounds vaguely biblical but I've never heard the expression before.

Sock on a Fish
Jul 17, 2004

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The first one isn't really misinformative, it's just ignorant. Gee, I wonder why the Communist Party USA would show up to a May Day demonstration? Friggin May Day!

I did laugh when the writer went on to compare leftists in a May Day parade to Hitler.

The "media would go nuts if fascists or neo-Nazis showed up at Tea Party event" doesn't really hold water. The media didn't go nuts when a Tea Party rally showed up at a Muslim charity fundraiser to spew hate speech, which is pretty goddamn fascist.

I think only Taibbi has done the trouble of showing how the Tea Party leadership are the exact same people who endorsed David Duke and fought school integration, among other things.

Sock on a Fish
Jul 17, 2004

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Z-Magic posted:

A friend got this in an email from her dad and decided to let me in on how her father is his own special brand of crazy:-


tl:dr Communism/Marxism = NWO (who may be aliens) :tinfoil:

D-, see me after class. Be prepared to present your ideas in the form of a Hegelian dialectic.

Sock on a Fish
Jul 17, 2004

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Gropiemon posted:

http://thelibertyweekly.com/articles/

Lovely little blog I was sent. I sort of know the guy that wrote this and he is not hurting financially. He just wants to shoot the government or kill it with a bear trap or something.

Is anyone ever jailed for parking tickets? I thought at worst you'd end up losing your car.

Sock on a Fish
Jul 17, 2004

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Vector 7 posted:

No one has been able to explain to me why young men and women serve in the U.S. Military for 20 years, risking their lives protecting freedom, and only get 50% of their pay.

Such an injustice, being able to retire as young as 38 with 50% pay...

Sock on a Fish
Jul 17, 2004

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I'm delighted that an especially terrible form of socialism has recently been recognized by rightwingers – Kenyan socialism!

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Jul 17, 2004

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JerkyBunion posted:

Pretty egregious that they think only taxpayers should be allowed to vote.

You could also point out that food stamp programs return something like $1.70 to the economy for every government dollar spent, so even if they could afford to get by without it, it still wouldn't be waste.

Also, ask them why they're so loving lazy that they don't make enough in a month to buy more jewelry then someone who's on food stamps?

gently caress it, let's make the plutocracy official. You get one vote for every dollar of taxes paid.

Sock on a Fish
Jul 17, 2004

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Sarion posted:

12 million illegal immigrants - Who get almost nothing from your taxes. What few services they do get are mostly at the State level and paid for by the Sales taxes that they pay into.

3 million crack heads - I'm at a loss here; where did this number come from? There are way more drug users than this in the US. And why only crack (oh wait, because it's a black people drug, my bad)? And many drug users are employed. Anyways, what exactly is the dependency here?

42 million unemployable people - Unemployed != unemployable

2 million people in over 243 prisons - You can thank conservative policies that promote locking people up for extremely long periods of time instead of fixing the root causes of crimes for that one.

535 idiots in the U.S. House and Senate - Who you elected, and account for almost nothing of your tax dollars...


The number one draw on Federal money is old people, followed by defense. Do they hate grandma and soldiers?



For shame!

The unemployed part is the worst. UI is paid into by employers at actuarily fair rates. At least in my state, your rate is in part determined by how many of your former employees end up filing UI claims, so the employers with high turnover pay more than the ones that haven't let anyone go for years.

My state also has the hugest surplus of any UI trust fund, it's in the billions. See here: http://www.propublica.org/special/is-your-states-unemployment-system-in-danger-603

edit: More updated figures: http://www.ncsl.org/?tabid=22324
Illinois only has $5,895. :gonk:

Sock on a Fish fucked around with this message at 21:06 on Aug 19, 2011

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Jul 17, 2004

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Ana Lucia Cortez posted:

I hope this isn't a repeat. I haven't seen this one posted yet.


Scary Obama!

That's extra hilarious because back in the 90's conservatives were chain-lettered into believing that P&G was run by a Satanist.

http://www.snopes.com/business/alliance/procter.asp

quote:

PLEASE MAKE A DIFFERENCE

The President of Procter & gamble appeared on the Phil Donahue Show on March 1, 1994. He announced that due to the openness of our society, he was coming out of the closet about his association with the church of Satan. He stated that a large portion of his profits from Procter & Gamble Products goes to support this satanic church. When asked by Donahue if stating this on t.v. would hurt his business, he replied, "THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH CHRISTIANS IN THE UNITED STATES TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE."

Sock on a Fish
Jul 17, 2004

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THE GAYEST POSTER posted:

Bear and Richard Dawkins.

What's this?

Sock on a Fish
Jul 17, 2004

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Dominion posted:

I get that, and I agree that defeatism is...well, defeating. But I am not willing to subject myself to any of the current GOP options, especially when there's not even any sort of guarantee that it will being about the sort of change we want. The promise of a maybe sort of brighter future is not enough to make me ok with the concept of a Rick Perry presidency now.

I won't be voting Republican, but I also won't be voting for Obama. I can't rationalize myself into voting for a candidate that weighed corporate profits one on hand and 12,000 lives in the other, and decided the profits were worth more than the 12,000 lives.

I'm talking about the ozone standards.

I'm also baffled by his apparent belief that our unemployment issues don't stem from weak aggregate demand, which he clings to in spite of the opinion of like every economist everywhere.

My state, Washington, will probably go Obama anyway, but if it doesn't hopefully that will be send a huge message to the DNC.

Sock on a Fish
Jul 17, 2004

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BrotherAdso posted:

Got one:

This was written by a 15 yr. old student who received an A+ for this ... Since the Pledge of Allegiance And The Lord's Prayer Are not allowed in most Public schools anymore Because the word 'God' is mentioned..... A kid in Arizona wrote the attached NEW School prayer: "New Pledge of Allegiance" ~~~~~~~~ Now I sit me down in school Where praying is against the rule For this great nation under God Finds mention of Him very odd. If scripture now the class recites, It violates the Bill of Rights. And anytime my head I bow Becomes a Federal matter now. Our hair can be purple, orange or green, That's no offense; it's a freedom scene. The law is specific, the law is precise. Prayers spoken aloud are a serious vice. For praying in a public hall Might offend someone with no faith at all. In silence alone we must meditate, God's name is prohibited by the state. We're allowed to cuss and dress like freaks, And pierce our noses, tongues and cheeks. They've outlawed guns, but FIRST the Bible. To quote the Good Book makes me liable. We can elect a pregnant Senior Queen, And the 'unwed daddy,' our Senior King. It's 'inappropriate' to teach right from wrong, We're taught that such 'judgments' do not belong. We can get our condoms and birth controls, Study witchcraft, vampires and totem poles. But the Ten Commandments are not allowed, No word of God must reach this crowd. It's scary here I must confess, When chaos reigns the school's a mess. So, Lord, this silent plea I make: Should I be shot; My soul please take! Amen If you aren't ashamed to do this, Please pass this on. Jesus said, 'If you are ashamed of me, I will be ashamed of you before my Father.' Not ashamed. Pass this on.......


Wow.

How'd he get an A+ if you're not allowed to mention God in school?

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Jul 17, 2004

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babies havin rabies posted:

I went through the public school system and I stood for the Pledge maybe 4 times (just kidding, 3) in the 4 years I was in high school, and it was because they opened the annual Homecoming rally with it. Where the gently caress do people live where they actually say the Pledge of Allegiance every day in public school? That's disgusting and creepy as all hell.

LIke, pretty much everywhere.

We say the pledge before cars drive around in a circle.

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Jul 17, 2004

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Huge Liability posted:

Someone from my high school sent me that terrible abortion story where the fetus goes on about he is in heaven and how much he loves his mommy ect. Everyone here has likely seen it in some form or another. I asked her why she sent that out to everyone, since it it would make a girl who had an abortion feel horrible about herself when it was already an incredibly difficult decision.

She responded by reminding me that abortion is wrong because she was adopted and if her birth mother had access to abortion, she would never exist! Also, if everyone who had a mean husband aborted their baby (as in the version of the story she sent), her own daughter would never exist either!!!

How am I supposed to respond to something like this? :psyduck:

The absurdity in the sin of hypothetical children never having a chance to exist is pretty easy to demonstrate.

If it's wrong to prevent a hypothetical child from ever existing, then to avoid that wrong we'd need to arrange society in such a way that women never menstruate because they must be pregnant from pubescence through menopause.

Even then, you're still committing wrong because of the countless combinations of sperm and egg that you can't produce because for every viable egg there's like ten trillion sperm, so for every child you create you're denying ten trillion minus one children the right to exist. Plus, for the sperm you pair to an egg, you've denied that sperm the chance to pair with another one of the 2 billion or so other eggs that were viable that month.

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Jul 17, 2004

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Corbet posted:

I've always thought that the wind turbines outside Seattle look really awesome. I guess I'm one of the weird ones.

You mean the ones east of the Cascades along I-90? That'd be the Wild Horse Wind Farm.

Wind power in the PNW is even more awesome because of our hydro resources. In other areas of the country you usually need a fossil plant to take up the slack when the wind isn't blowing. We can just ramp the dams up instead.

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Jul 17, 2004

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Sarion posted:

Also, would it be too obvious if I attributed the idea to Nobel Prize winner Paul Krugman?

Krugman is too easily identified as a liberal.

Do Thomas Friedman.

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