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Zwille
Aug 18, 2006

* For the Ghost Who Walks Funny
Uhhh Stasi Museum or Gedenkstätte Hohenschönhausen, as it’s called I think, in Berlin? I’m also told the Berlin Story Bunker is great.

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A LOVELY LAD
Feb 8, 2006

Hey man, wanna hear a secret?



College Slice
Hey,

I'm going to be away to a stag party in Hamburg fairly soon and we have a few activities planned but we still have a day free. We looked at shooting but it's looking pretty expensive. Anyone got any ideas of things around that area that might be good?

Thanks!

Honj Steak
May 31, 2013

Hi there.
Miniatur-Wunderland is the #1 Tripadvisor attraction in all of Germany

kru
Oct 5, 2003

If anyone wants pints, I'm in Berlin for all of august

Zwille
Aug 18, 2006

* For the Ghost Who Walks Funny

Honj Steak posted:

Miniatur-Wunderland is the #1 Tripadvisor attraction in all of Germany

This. Tons of easter eggs. Or climb up the Elbphilharmonie. Magic view I’m told.

Badly Jester
Apr 9, 2010


Bitches!

Zwille posted:

This. Tons of easter eggs. Or climb up the Elbphilharmonie. Magic view I’m told.

My favorite memory of any museum ever is of someone's kid spotting one of the many loving couples hidden in the scenery at Miniatur Wunderland, and then pointing to them excitedly while yelling "Guck mal, Papa - die heiraten!"

mediadave
Sep 8, 2011
How easy is it to get to Neuschwanstein castle from Munich on public transport? I've looked at the day trips online, but they all seem to be somewhat..rip offish.



My wife and I will be visiting later in the summer, and whilst I am learning what I can, we'll realistically speak little to no German.

A LOVELY LAD
Feb 8, 2006

Hey man, wanna hear a secret?



College Slice
Cheers for that I will run it past the rest of the guys on the trip!

Sand Monster
Apr 13, 2008

mediadave posted:

How easy is it to get to Neuschwanstein castle from Munich on public transport? I've looked at the day trips online, but they all seem to be somewhat..rip offish.

I did this tour and recommend it: https://www.neweuropetours.eu/sandemans-tours/munich/neuschwanstein-castle-tour/

It was 5+ years ago but I imagine not much has changed. They handled all of the logistics for transportation and entrance to the castle.

Kase Im Licht
Jan 26, 2001

mediadave posted:

How easy is it to get to Neuschwanstein castle from Munich on public transport? I've looked at the day trips online, but they all seem to be somewhat..rip offish.



My wife and I will be visiting later in the summer, and whilst I am learning what I can, we'll realistically speak little to no German.
We drove straight from the airport. It's a pretty nice drive (other than traffic through Munich), so that's an easy option if rental cars are cheap on the relevant day(s).

I don't see how the train could be complicated. Train takes you to Fussen, then you take a 5 minute bus ride to Schwangau, where the castles are(I think I saw people walking this, there's a path along the road). Buy your tickets in advance, pick them up at the ticket office, take either the tourist bus up the hill to the castle for a few Euro or walk it if you feel like it. I don't think there's any part of it that necessitates going through a tour group.

Schwangau sucks, there's basically nothing there other than the castles. Fussen is cool though. We spent the night in Fussen and enjoyed it. Certainly has more options for food and drink than Schwangau.

Germany is pretty easy to get around as an English speaker. Everyone at train stations and tourist places will speak English. Most random people you ask for directions will as well, or at least enough to get you in the right direction.

Kase Im Licht fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Jul 12, 2019

cinni
Oct 17, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I have from grammar questions. Ive been using duolingo but they dont explain certain things.

Whats the difference between denn and weil? As in
die frauen trinken das wasser nicht denn es ist schmutzig
vs
ich esse weil ich hunger habe

Also what is the difference between aber and sondern? As in
Sie tragt keinen rock sondern einen mantel
vs
Aber der kaffee ist nicht süß

ALSO! Nicht is for uncountable things and keiner for countable things right? Why would nicht come before the verb or sometimes at the end of the sentence?

Thanks in advance!

Smirr
Jun 28, 2012

cinni posted:

I have from grammar questions. Ive been using duolingo but they dont explain certain things.

Whats the difference between denn and weil? As in
die frauen trinken das wasser nicht denn es ist schmutzig
vs
ich esse weil ich hunger habe

Also what is the difference between aber and sondern? As in
Sie tragt keinen rock sondern einen mantel
vs
Aber der kaffee ist nicht süß

ALSO! Nicht is for uncountable things and keiner for countable things right? Why would nicht come before the verb or sometimes at the end of the sentence?

Thanks in advance!

FYI, there's a thread specifically for German language stuff here. I'm still gonna answer here because neither thread gets much traffic.

1) Difference between "denn" and "weil": there's no difference in meaning, but subordinate clauses introduced by "weil" are verb-last while subordinate clauses introduced by "denn" are verb-second (well, maybe verb-third :can:). (In contemporary spoken German, "weil", too, can introduce verb-second subordinate clauses, but that usage is proscribed)

2) Difference between "aber" and "sondern": "aber" can only mean "and [despite expectations]", "sondern" means "instead of". "I ordered a coffee with 3 cubes of sugar, aber der Kaffee ist nicht süß" = "and the coffee is not sweet, despite my expectations" = "but the coffee is not sweet". "Sie trägt keinen Rock sondern einen Mantel" =/= "Sie trägt keinen Rock und einen Mantel, despite my expectations". I'm having an increasingly hard time actually formulating the difference, because the more I think about it, the more the two seem similar. Maybe someone else can have a better go at it.

3) Meaning and position of "nicht": "nicht" is mostly sentence negation, and your analysis does not quite work ("Milch" is uncountable, but you'd still say "Ich trinke keine Milch" instead of "Ich trinke nicht Milch" or "Ich trinke Milch nicht", both of which require a whole bunch of context). On its position: generally the only time "nicht" comes at the end of the sentence is in main clauses, where the verb is in second (statements, wh-questions) or first (yes-no questions) position. In subordinate clauses, the verb is (almost, see above) always in final position and hence "nicht" will have to come somewhere before it. My advice to you is: don't overthink it. Negation (in German, but also in many other languages) is hugely fucky, and for the purposes of actual communication you will probably be understood if there's a "nicht" somewhere within the clause you want to negate. You'll have to learn the most natural position through exposure to the language. I think. I'm a native speaker of German and literally wrote a PhD thesis on German negation and a) this is the best answer I can give, b) even I couldn't figure out some of the intricacies of word order in negated sentences. Basically, just shake your head is my advice

cinni
Oct 17, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Thank you so much for the info! I really appreciate it! My boyfriend is german and even he can't answer all my grammar questions so I guess practice makes almost perfect haha. Awesome, thanks again!

pidan
Nov 6, 2012


Re: sondern

Sondern is used in sentences like "not A, but B". It normally never appears without a "not" before it. But aber can also be used in that structure. So what's the difference?

In "nicht A, sondern B", B is somehow taking the place of A. You would have expected A, but instead it's B:

Das Getränk in dem Becher ist nicht Kaffe, sondern Kakao.

Die grünen Augen habe ich nicht von meiner Mutter, sondern von meinem Vater.

Es wäscht nicht nur sauber, sondern rein.


Most of the time, sondern only has a few words after it, not a whole sentence. It can have a sentence, though:

Ich habe es nicht erfunden, sondern er hat es mir erzählt.

But I feel like it would be more natural to leave the sondern out here.

So what about aber? It's just a generic "but", that does not mean one thing replaces another. So in your original sentence:

Sie trägt keinen Rock, sondern einen Mantel.

This would imply that the Mantel is replacing the Rock somehow, for example because you initially thought it was a skirt but then it turned out to be a coat, or some other reason.

Sie trägt keinen Rock, aber einen Mantel.

With aber, it just means "but", and the Rock and Mantel aren't necessarily connected, but might all relate to something else, like you're saying she's not naked, or is dressed warm enough for the weather and so on.

In English you might put it like this:

Sondern:
She is not wearing a skirt, but (actually) a coat.

Aber:
She is not wearing a skirt, but she is wearing a coat.

Sereri
Sep 30, 2008

awwwrigami

In like 10 words my take would be: aber is but/however while sondern is instead.

webmeister
Jan 31, 2007

The answer is, mate, because I want to do you slowly. There has to be a bit of sport in this for all of us. In the psychological battle stakes, we are stripped down and ready to go. I want to see those ashen-faced performances; I want more of them. I want to be encouraged. I want to see you squirm.

mediadave posted:

How easy is it to get to Neuschwanstein castle from Munich on public transport? I've looked at the day trips online, but they all seem to be somewhat..rip offish.

My wife and I will be visiting later in the summer, and whilst I am learning what I can, we'll realistically speak little to no German.

It's pretty easy, we did it a couple of years ago. My wife even wrote a blog post about it:
https://travelnuity.com/the-cheapest-way-to-see-neuschwanstein-castle/

uli2000
Feb 23, 2015

mediadave posted:

How easy is it to get to Neuschwanstein castle from Munich on public transport? I've looked at the day trips online, but they all seem to be somewhat..rip offish.



My wife and I will be visiting later in the summer, and whilst I am learning what I can, we'll realistically speak little to no German.

I can't speak to the public transport part as we drove there, but definetly, especially during busy times like summer, book the tickets online before.

And if you only have time to tour one of the castles, do Honschwangau over Neuschwanstein. Newschwanstein tours are big group tours and you get rushed from room to room with little time to look around let alone explore. Honschwangau tours are like 10 or 12 people and lots of time to look around the rooms. The carriage ride was worth the 3 Euros for a fat goon like myself. You still need to do the last KM or so uphill but it saves you 2km of uphill walking.

snirtle
Apr 17, 2015
I will be living and working ~alone~ in Kufstein, Austria from now until October. Does anybody have any stand out recommendations for upcoming contemporary art shows or events?

I’ve got a company car throughout my stay, so I’ve got the accessibility. However, navigation and exploration is a little difficult without being able to speak or understand any German.

Honj Steak
May 31, 2013

Hi there.
The best Ludwig castles to visit are Linderhof and Herrenchiemsee.

Default Settings
May 29, 2001

Keep your 'lectric eye on me, babe

snirtle posted:

I will be living and working ~alone~ in Kufstein, Austria from now until October. Does anybody have any stand out recommendations for upcoming contemporary art shows or events?

I’ve got a company car throughout my stay, so I’ve got the accessibility. However, navigation and exploration is a little difficult without being able to speak or understand any German.

I know barely anything about contemporary art, but I've recently read a newspaper article that might be relevant to you. You could contact the art galleries linked there for recommendations.

Original Article / derstandard.at

Google Translation

You will probably be visiting the fortress at Kufstein, which is the problem in a nutshell. There is a lot of barely used exhibition space there, but it is rather used for often dubious folklore stuff than anything modern.

Because tourists don't care about modern art, they want to see mountains and Lederhosen and at best mid-19th century art.
And tourism trumps everything in Tyrolia. Welcome!

snirtle
Apr 17, 2015

Default Settings posted:

I know barely anything about contemporary art, but I've recently read a newspaper article that might be relevant to you. You could contact the art galleries linked there for recommendations.

Original Article / derstandard.at

Google Translation

You will probably be visiting the fortress at Kufstein, which is the problem in a nutshell. There is a lot of barely used exhibition space there, but it is rather used for often dubious folklore stuff than anything modern.

Because tourists don't care about modern art, they want to see mountains and Lederhosen and at best mid-19th century art.
And tourism trumps everything in Tyrolia. Welcome!

Thanks for the article and welcome! I was able to locate a few galleries from the text and have added some of the opening and closing receptions to my calendar.

Perhaps I will see you at one?

Default Settings
May 29, 2001

Keep your 'lectric eye on me, babe
That would be great but I dont think it is possible - I live on the other side of the country.

Randler
Jan 3, 2013

ACER ET VEHEMENS BONAVIS
Hat jemand Hotelempfehlungen/Warnungen für eine Übernachtungsmöglichkeit in der Nähe (möglichst fußläufig) von Berlin Ostbahnhof?

Keine Hostels, möglichst in einem für Business-Reisen vertretbaren Kostenrahmen, kann ansonsten von der Ausstattung auch auf dem Niveau eines B&B-Hotels sein.

nesbit37
Dec 12, 2003
Emperor of Rome
(500 BC - 500 AD)
I'm flying to Dusseldorf tomorrow and will bounce around between there, koln, and Aachen until next Wednesday when I head to essen to set up my booth for Spiel. (hall5, k108 if any of you are attending Spiel!)

Question is, I love euro mens wallets for some reason. Last time I was in germany a decade ago I picked one up and used it till I wore it put. I don't remember where I got it in Koln but it wasnt anywhere special, just some department store.

Are there any names of stores I can look out for to pick up a decent wallet while in town? Doesnt need to be anywhere special or a special wallet, just a store I am likely to find in one of the cities I'll be in over the next ~12 days.

Cosmic Web
Jan 11, 2005

"Stand and deliver, that my hamster might have a better look at you!"
Fun Shoe

nesbit37 posted:

I'm flying to Dusseldorf tomorrow and will bounce around between there, koln, and Aachen until next Wednesday when I head to essen to set up my booth for Spiel. (hall5, k108 if any of you are attending Spiel!)

Question is, I love euro mens wallets for some reason. Last time I was in germany a decade ago I picked one up and used it till I wore it put. I don't remember where I got it in Koln but it wasnt anywhere special, just some department store.

Are there any names of stores I can look out for to pick up a decent wallet while in town? Doesnt need to be anywhere special or a special wallet, just a store I am likely to find in one of the cities I'll be in over the next ~12 days.

Check out the big department chains like Galleria Kaufhof or Karstadt or TJ TK Maxx. You should also be able to find Fossil stores in all four cities.

I might drop by at SPIEL since I live right around the corner. In case you're selling games/stuff: Make sure to watch your register/inventory/booth like a hawk. In the last couple of years there have incidents of vendors being targeted by thieves who work in teams.

Sereri
Sep 30, 2008

awwwrigami

Looked up your booth and the games looks interesting. Not sure if I'll be able to drop by since I only got the weekend this year. We'll see.

So whats the difference to an American wallet?

nesbit37
Dec 12, 2003
Emperor of Rome
(500 BC - 500 AD)
Awesome, thanks. Yeah, we are as prepared as we can be for the professional thieves. Definitely worried about the thefts, and shocked at how little apparent security there is for a show that is like 99% cash only.

3 main differences are the size (since it's for euros, not dollars), the fact that they have a little pouch for coins that american wallets omit, and the leather is just different. Probably tanned differently. I would say it's kind of like comparing american artisan bread to pretty much any german bread. I dont know why exactly, but I like the German version far better.

If any of you do make it Spiel please say hi if you make it to hall 5!

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

Hello

Not sure where else to ask this, so I'll ask it here, knowing almost certainly it's not the correct place.

I'm looking for some legal advice on a contract dispute with a third party in Germany. I myself live in another EU country, and the main point of contention is that they overcharged for services. if there's anyone I can PM about this or if I can be pointed in the right direction, that'd be swell.

Namaste

Nam Taf
Jun 25, 2005

I am Fat Man, hear me roar!

The D&D and Science, Academics and Langauges German Threads may have additional people who can point you in the right direction. It could be worth cross-posting there?

Torrannor
Apr 27, 2013

---FAGNER---
TEAM-MATE

McCloud posted:

Hello

Not sure where else to ask this, so I'll ask it here, knowing almost certainly it's not the correct place.

I'm looking for some legal advice on a contract dispute with a third party in Germany. I myself live in another EU country, and the main point of contention is that they overcharged for services. if there's anyone I can PM about this or if I can be pointed in the right direction, that'd be swell.

Namaste

As Nam Taf pointed out, you could also try to ask in this thread in Science, Academics and Languages: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=1943474

Don't be put off by the title, there are a lot of non-Germans who understand German in this thread, so maybe some of them can help you.

LittleFuryThings
Jan 11, 2012
Any Berlin-goons want to drink tonight or tomorrow?
DM me

Randler
Jan 3, 2013

ACER ET VEHEMENS BONAVIS
Are there any reliable Facharzt Rating Seiten? None of my friends is familiar with the particular speciality here and I ain't gonna be asking workfolk.

Zwille
Aug 18, 2006

* For the Ghost Who Walks Funny
You mean like Jameda?

Randler
Jan 3, 2013

ACER ET VEHEMENS BONAVIS

Zwille posted:

You mean like Jameda?

Yeah, thanks.

Great, it even comes with a "PKV only" sign for the top rated specialists. :negative:

Zwille
Aug 18, 2006

* For the Ghost Who Walks Funny
What, I thought you’re verbeamtet. Or doesn’t that come with PKV standard anymore?

Randler
Jan 3, 2013

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Zwille posted:

What, I thought you’re verbeamtet. Or doesn’t that come with PKV standard anymore?

Auch während meiner Referendarzeit war ich nicht verbeamtet und die liegt schon etwas zurück. Ich bin gegenwärtig als Arbeitnehmer in der gesetzlichen Krankenversicherung. Und selbst wenn ich wechseln wollte gehe ich mal davon aus, dass die PKV keine Kosten für etwas übernimmt, was vor dem Wechsel bei meinem Hausarzt aktenkundig geworden ist.

Zwille
Aug 18, 2006

* For the Ghost Who Walks Funny
Ah yeah you’re hosed then. Unless you get super lucky and your favorite doctor opens up his reservations for GKV but only because he hired some other doc to take care of the Pöbel for him and he’s not quite as good as the doctor actually listed at Jameda when you booked.

trashe_racer
Feb 6, 2020

snirtle posted:

I will be living and working ~alone~ in Kufstein, Austria from now until October. Does anybody have any stand out recommendations for upcoming contemporary art shows or events?

I’ve got a company car throughout my stay, so I’ve got the accessibility. However, navigation and exploration is a little difficult without being able to speak or understand any German.

Nice, I'm in Munich but I'm around Kufstein most weekends to go climbing.

There's a ton of alpine and sport climbing in the Wilder Kaiser, plus backcountry skiing and hiking on your doorstep.

Also, down the road from you is the Knödelfest in St. Johann in Tirol!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDPrLX2MD2A

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

Incredible machine
:smug:


So I'm finally getting my American Führerschein umgeschrieben, and the process is apparently pretty simple and painfree thanks to the US state-of-issue having a reciprocal treaty with the Bundesrepublik. The only bit of paperwork that I'm totally unsure of: they need to have a copy of my very very first Meldebescheinigung in Germany, from 8 years ago (to prove that I was in possession of my US driver's license before moving to Germany).

I'm sure I have a copy of it... somewhere? probably?, but in case I don't, is this the kind of record that I can request from somewhere? Do I request it directly from the Einwohneramt where I registered in (at that time, Berlin-Wedding) or from my local Einwohneramt (clear across the country from Berlin, since I moved years ago to Darmstadt)?

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Vodos
Jul 17, 2009

And how do we do that? We hurt a lot of people...

Drone posted:

So I'm finally getting my American Führerschein umgeschrieben, and the process is apparently pretty simple and painfree thanks to the US state-of-issue having a reciprocal treaty with the Bundesrepublik. The only bit of paperwork that I'm totally unsure of: they need to have a copy of my very very first Meldebescheinigung in Germany, from 8 years ago (to prove that I was in possession of my US driver's license before moving to Germany).

I'm sure I have a copy of it... somewhere? probably?, but in case I don't, is this the kind of record that I can request from somewhere? Do I request it directly from the Einwohneramt where I registered in (at that time, Berlin-Wedding) or from my local Einwohneramt (clear across the country from Berlin, since I moved years ago to Darmstadt)?

I'm not sure anyone will know the answer to this, so I'd recommend starting by calling your local Einwohneramt and asking them.

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