Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Post
  • Reply
Ringo R
Dec 25, 2005

ช่วยแม่เฮ็ดนาแหน่เดัอ
What did you think about the german spoken in Brüno?

A gay friend keeps telling me about how great Berlin is for meeting fellow perverts and having very kinky sessions. There are apparently huge nightclubs that has facilities underground that sound like straight out from some horror movie. Germans have this reputation of being perverts (scheisse movies) and he confirms it's true. How widespread is this really? Did the prohibition of pornography play a role in this?

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

elwood
Mar 28, 2001

by Smythe

Ringo R posted:

Germans have this reputation of being perverts (scheisse movies) and he confirms it's true.

The first time I've heard about this reputation was on the internet. I don't think that this stereotype is widely known in germany and I can't say if there is really any substance behind it.


quote:

Did the prohibition of pornography play a role in this?

What prohibition of pornography?

loose-fish
Apr 1, 2005

brylcreem posted:

I have a pretty specific question about Flensburg - hope someone can answer.

I'm from Denmark and I'm going there on the 25th of October to see Tina Dico at Deutches Haus.

Unfortunately, since it's a Sunday, the last train back to Denmark leaves at 9pm, so I have to spend the night in Flensburg to get on the first train at 5:49am.

Are there any 24 hour pubs or something there, or will I just have to find a bench and hope not to get robbed or arrested?

Also, I'm thinking of bringing maybe €20-30, is that enough? The tickets for the show are taken care of.
It's been a while since I've been to Flensburg but usually it shouldn't be a problem to find a pub that's open till at least 4:00. However it could be much harder on sundays and if you find one you might be spending the night with middle-aged alcoholics. Money wise you should be fine.

Ringo R posted:

A gay friend keeps telling me about how great Berlin is for meeting fellow perverts and having very kinky sessions. There are apparently huge nightclubs that has facilities underground that sound like straight out from some horror movie. Germans have this reputation of being perverts (scheisse movies) and he confirms it's true. How widespread is this really? Did the prohibition of pornography play a role in this?
Sounds like the Berghain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berghain). I was there once but there weren't any "people openly indulging in sexual acts" like it says in the article (but they do have a darkroom which is very uncommon for a club that's not gay-exclusive).

I also didn't know about this reputation until I read about it on the internet. It's really hard to tell if there's any truth to it since weird fetishes are not something anyone would brag about.
I think it's pretty much forgotten that porn was VERBOTEN until 1969.

brylcreem
Oct 29, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Nasenbiber posted:

It's been a while since I've been to Flensburg but usually it shouldn't be a problem to find a pub that's open till at least 4:00. However it could be much harder on sundays and if you find one you might be spending the night with middle-aged alcoholics. Money wise you should be fine.

Thank you for this - I'm actually travelling with a GIRL, so maybe it'd be better to avoid the middle-aged alcoholics. Maybe I'll contact the tourist agency - they ought to have updated info (no put-down to you) :)

Thanks again!

Liface
Jun 17, 2001

by T. Finn

Ringo R posted:

What did you think about the german spoken in Brüno?

It's bad. Probably about 75% of it makes sense. The worst part is that the actor who plays his assistant isn't even German, he's Swedish. So he speaks just as poorly as Sacha does.


Liface posted:

There was a study done where they made up German-sounding words, then asked native speakers to identify whether the word was der, die, or das. The respondents agreed with a staggering level of accuracy.

The ability to assign genders to German words is learned through growing up listening to and speaking the language. No one who has ever learned German as an adult will ever have this ability. They may develop their skills over time, but they will never be 100% on nouns which they have not learned through rote memorization.

I found the study I mentioned above.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...Ux0TJNziwu_9SOA

Radd McCool
Dec 3, 2005

by Y Kant Ozma Post
My sister was attending a SCUBA training course in Italy. In her class were some Germans, who at one point pushed the instructor off the pier and into a school of jellyfish below. Why? So that he would be stung, as a joke. He came up shaken and free of life threatening poisons so there was no harm done, but this is very funny.

I would like to know if this is characteristic of German humor, or at least Germans on vacation.

Hamiltonian Bicycle
Apr 26, 2008

!

Radd McCool posted:

My sister was attending a SCUBA training course in Italy. In her class were some Germans, who at one point pushed the instructor off the pier and into a school of jellyfish below. Why? So that he would be stung, as a joke. He came up shaken and free of life threatening poisons so there was no harm done, but this is very funny.

I would like to know if this is characteristic of German humor, or at least Germans on vacation.

It is characteristic of assholes, who can regrettably be found among Germans in much the same proportion as among any other nationality.

copperblue
May 21, 2003
How popular is the stereotypical German/Austrian cuisine like schnitzel, rouladen, and spaetzle these days? Is it falling out of favor with the kids of today?

Previously on GBS
Jul 13, 2007

Iron Squid posted:

Does everyone in Holland hate the Germans? My g/f is Dutch and she has a fantatical hatred of all thing German.
I've lived in the Netherlands for three years and never had any problems. There's a lot of mutual teasing but it's mostly in good humor.

elwood posted:

As for the bavaria, austria questions.

If you compare germany to the us, bavaria is texas, austria is canada.
I can see why you would compare Bavaria to Texas, but Austria is the more conservative, more backwards version of Bavaria, not exactly how I would describe Canada with respect to the US.

caberham
Mar 18, 2009

by Smythe
Grimey Drawer

quazi posted:

How much truth is there to the stereotype that German products and artwork have a desire for maximum technological precision?
  • Carl Zeiss and Hasselblad make better optics than Canon and Nikon.
  • An automobile from BMW has higher tolerances than, say Lexus.
  • and the music of Kraftwerk reflects on this.


German like BMW and Audi are nice but are really fickle and hard to maintain after a few years. As a owner of 5 different BMWs, maintenance was a chore and the parts were expensive as hell compared to Japanese.


One thing I'm curious is how did Germany adopt and develop its ultra awesome train schedules? Japan picked it up but Britain and other European countries are not so accurate with their times :(

I have not been to other German cities, only to Berlin 5 years ago. Not too many people spoke English but I loved the ultra wide roads and new city infrastructure. I wish I could brush up on my German but I find the grammar too difficult to learn compared to French.

One thing I'm curious about German goons is, if you guys ever stayed in English speaking countries for a long period of time to develop your language skills? How did you raise your english to your current level?

caberham fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Sep 29, 2009

Sheik Yerbouti
Apr 14, 2009

You can't always write a chord ugly enough to say what you want to say, so sometimes you have to rely on a giraffe filled with whipped cream.
I never stayed in an English-speaking country, but I want to sometime. :)

Like, as I believe, a lot of other nerds around my age, I started learning the language when I was about 6 years old by playing computer games in English. Officially, I began learning the language in 4th grade and continued to do so all the way to the Abitur, when I took English as my first "Leistungskurs" (intensive course), which led to me having to write a 2000-5000 word essay about the relationships of female characters to the protagonists in Hamlet, Oliver Twist and other books we had to read in our course during the two years before. :haw:

This forum helped me a lot in improving my skills, although I would really like to get some speaking experience.

Feel free to correct me. ;)

Sheik Yerbouti fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Sep 29, 2009

elwood
Mar 28, 2001

by Smythe

Sheik Yerbouti posted:

...which led to me having to write a 2000-5000 word essay about the relationships of female characters to the protagonists in Hamlet, Oliver Twist and other books we had to read in classes during the two years before. :haw:

Six hour essay about "a modest proposal" or "midsummer night's dream" here.

Sheik Yerbouti
Apr 14, 2009

You can't always write a chord ugly enough to say what you want to say, so sometimes you have to rely on a giraffe filled with whipped cream.
I loved that you got a better grade if you sounded as smug as possible.

"In this essay, the author shall strive to convey to the reader the Freudian meaning of Hamlet and his mother's relationship." :smug:

I got 12 of 15 points, I think. Mostly just for style, not content. :haw:

elwood
Mar 28, 2001

by Smythe

Previously on GBS posted:

I can see why you would compare Bavaria to Texas, but Austria is the more conservative, more backwards version of Bavaria, not exactly how I would describe Canada with respect to the US.

I'm more thinking about attitudes than actual politics. The austria - germany relationship is a bit of a big brother, small brother kind of thing, with a bit of a perceived inferiority complex thrown into the mix.

Sheik Yerbouti posted:

I loved that you got a better grade if you sounded as smug as possible.

"In this essay, the author shall strive to convey to the reader the Freudian meaning of Hamlet and his mother's relationship." :smug:

I got 12 of 15 points, I think. Mostly just for style, not content. :haw:

I just drowned the teacher in words. Everyone else writes 3000 words essays? Just babble away for a few more pages, make it 6000, get padded on the back for your use of stream of consciousness and net 14 points.

elwood fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Sep 29, 2009

Nostalgia4Dogges
Jun 18, 2004

Only emojis can express my pure, simple stupidity.

elwood posted:

I'm more thinking about attitudes than actual politics. The austria - germany relationship is a bit of a big brother, small brother kind of thing, with a bit of a perceived inferiority complex thrown into the mix.

Sounds like Portugal and Spain then.

Hamiltonian Bicycle
Apr 26, 2008

!
I learned English by reading books, playing computer games, watching TV, and of course by spending too much time on the internet. I did have to take English in school starting in 7th grade, but I don't think I profited as much from that as I did simply from immersion.

elwood posted:

I just drowned the teacher in words. Everyone else writes 3000 words essays? Just babble away for a few more pages, make it 6000, get padded on the back for your use of stream of consciousness and net 14 points.

I was utterly terrible at these things. It's always been my suspicion that length requirements on essay assignments in school are as they are merely to compensate for the fact that most people will just pour in the most terrifyingly obvious observations and pad and pad to get to the required number, which was a game I didn't want to play. Got okay marks on my Abitur still, but eh.

Nostalgia4Dogges
Jun 18, 2004

Only emojis can express my pure, simple stupidity.

Do you guys sub or dub movies/tv? I think Austria dubs

Sheik Yerbouti
Apr 14, 2009

You can't always write a chord ugly enough to say what you want to say, so sometimes you have to rely on a giraffe filled with whipped cream.
We dub EVERYTHING. Usually, the voices are much worse than the originals, too, which goes double for games, which sound loving retarded in German.

But that is just my opinion and I seem to be a member of the watch/play-everything-in-English minority.

We even change movies' titles! An example: "Alien" became "Alien - Das unheimliche Wesen aus einer fremden Welt" (Alien - The eerie creature from an foreign world)

Sheik Yerbouti fucked around with this message at 16:18 on Sep 30, 2009

Liface
Jun 17, 2001

by T. Finn
German dubs are abysmal and I would recommend never watching them if you value your brain. The government needs to abolish the synchronisation industry. People's English level would improve immensely.

The sad thing is that most Germans grew up watching the dubs so they don't know anything else.

vanDeet
Oct 23, 2008

by Fistgrrl
I lived a few years in Germany as a teenager, I remember watching X-files regularly and the German voice of Gillian Anderson was that of some 50 year old chain smoker. Then I went to my homecountry for vacation, saw some episode of X-files and realized "hey...HEY! She has a nice voice!".
The dubbing industry is just awful...it makes sense for animated films IF you do it properly (they are dubbed in the original language too, obviously), but other than that it's just stupid. Simpsons in Germany was one of the worst, because it was obviously handled like yet another children's cartoon (at least in the 90s).

Anyway, movies, TV-series etc. are meant to be watched in the original language. Whether that's English, Japanese, Polish or whatever doesn't matter. Whether you understand the language or not, doesn't matter. You have to be a retard to have a different opinion, and I assume that in Germany all the DVD:s and such let you choose the language. So, how many people in Germany fall into this category of retards? Specifically I'm interested in the group of 15-30 year olds.
(edit: I lived there before the "DVD era" so I don't really know)

vanDeet fucked around with this message at 15:21 on Oct 4, 2009

caberham
Mar 18, 2009

by Smythe
Grimey Drawer

vanDeet posted:

dubbing sucks

A big problem with watching subs is that people just read all the subs before the lines are actually delivered. Not a big problem for serious drama stuff, but a really big annoyance for comedies. It sucks when the audience around you is laughing before you do and makes jokes not as funny.

Cross_
Aug 22, 2008

Sheik Yerbouti posted:

I'm living in Buckow
That's where I grew up, near Johannisthaler Chaussee- hey there fellow Buckow-goon :cool::respek::cool:

Growing up in Germany I appreciated movies being dubbed. Usually they do a really good job with it too and use the same voice actor for the same movie actor across projects. The only thing that made me go :wtf: was when the voice actor for Patrick Stewart in ST:TNG got switched between season 3 and 4.

Now that I am used to watching movies in English though it annoys me when I see a dubbed film because the lip synching seems way off. Maybe there's less of a budget nowadays to do it right or I have just gotten more perceptive.

quote:

I just drowned the teacher in words. Everyone else writes 3000 words essays? Just babble away for a few more pages, make it 6000, get padded on the back for your use of stream of consciousness and net 14 points.
I hated losing 2 or 3 points for "content" just because my writing is very terse. So for AP English finals I went all out making upanalyzing as many symbolisms and metaphors as I could think of. 15 points, bitch :mmmsmug: (We've got letter grades in middle school and it switches to a 1-15 scale in high school).

Cross_ fucked around with this message at 21:16 on Oct 8, 2009

Spermando
Jun 13, 2009
I have a question about Bahncards. Do you only get discounts when you book the trip online or at the travel centres rather than the ticket machines? I'm planning on travelling a lot, and I just wan't to get a ticket and hop on the train.

bronin
Oct 15, 2009

use it or throw it away

Spermando posted:

I have a question about Bahncards. Do you only get discounts when you book the trip online or at the travel centres rather than the ticket machines? I'm planning on travelling a lot, and I just wan't to get a ticket and hop on the train.

if you own a bahncard 25 or bahncard 50, the ticket machines let you choose that option iirc. long time since i had one...

bronin fucked around with this message at 12:56 on Oct 16, 2009

schoenfelder
Oct 16, 2009

Grade moj...
You do remember correctly.

Just like the online booking engine the ticket machines let you choose whatever BahnCard you have and apply the respective discount. So usually it's enough to show up at the station five minute before your train is set to leave, purchase the ticket and hop on.

However, if you want to reserve a special seat (e.g. with a power outlet for your laptop computer) you will have to do that at the travel centre as the machine only lets you choose whether you want to sit in a compartment, window or aisle seat and mobile phone zone or quiet zone.

Also beware that the BahnCard discount is only applied to regional and long-distance tickets. Local trains have different fare systems.

Spermando
Jun 13, 2009
Danke für die Information!

elwood
Mar 28, 2001

by Smythe

schoenfelder posted:

...

Let me take a wild guess here: law student?

schoenfelder
Oct 16, 2009

Grade moj...
Unfortunately. I assume you're familiar with the red blocks then.

elwood
Mar 28, 2001

by Smythe
One could say so:


Click here for the full 1408x1056 image.

schoenfelder
Oct 16, 2009

Grade moj...
"Materielles Liegenschaftsrecht im Grundbuchverfahren"? I do feel sorry for you now.

xcdude24
Dec 23, 2008
If I want to see all the major tourist sights, is two days in Berlin enough?

schoenfelder
Oct 16, 2009

Grade moj...
Hardly. Give yourself at least three days for the major sights, five days if you really want to experience the city.

gi-
Aug 18, 2004
I will be spending almost a week in Germany in early February, particularly in Frankfurt, Mainz, Stuttgart, Munchen, Nurnberg and Bonn/Coln. A rental will be my mode of transportation. What places should I definitely see? I realize that I am trying to see a lot of places in a very short time snap. Any suggestions where I can look for hotel reviews/bookings?

Soy Division
Aug 12, 2004

gi- posted:

I will be spending almost a week in Germany in early February, particularly in Frankfurt, Mainz, Stuttgart, Munchen, Nurnberg and Bonn/Coln. A rental will be my mode of transportation. What places should I definitely see? I realize that I am trying to see a lot of places in a very short time snap. Any suggestions where I can look for hotel reviews/bookings?
Are you really set on using a car? Because it's not the best way of getting around, the train is far superior.

If you insist on some Autobahn action you might want to only rent a car when you're in the south; the scenery is a lot better and you'll be traveling longer distances so you might actually have the chance to build up some speed.

As for hotels, just check the same places you would when booking any other hotel. Kayak and Tripadvisor have always worked for me.

The top priorities for me on your itinerary would be Köln, München, and Nürnberg.

Cross_
Aug 22, 2008
Skip Frankfurt if you can. Stuttgart, Nuernberg, and Muenchen are worth spending a few days in.

THE_Chris
Sep 18, 2008
If you have time, give Regensburg, Erfurt or Bamberg a try. They didnt get bombed in the war (much) so are much older style and much more beautiful.

Frankfurt, Nurnberg and most of Munich are a shadow of their pre-war beauty.

cyberbully
Feb 10, 2003

I'm from Texas, haven't been to Germany yet but studied the language in high school and made a lot of german friends while traveling in South America. I never figured out why, but it seems that about half of tourists in Ecuador are German. Just odd considering how far away it is and how few Americans or other europeans there are there in proportion to germans. And I hardly ever see Germans traveling in the U.S. outside of new york, why not? It's cheaper for you these days, and who doesn't want to see Texas? That said, I loved a lot of the german girls I met and still talk to several of them. I joke some about the stereotypes, particularly acting like most Americans who know so little of Germany apart from nazis and oktoberfest, and they don't seem to get it though. I told a girl in Berlin that I would wear lederhosen the whole time I was there so I could fit in, and she knows that I know Berlin is not at all like Bavaria, but she still seems to think I was serious.

On dubbing, I heard that the only channel you have there with shows in English is MTV. So what you're seeing of us is crap like Next and Rock of Love, not the best english in the first place and that's some really lovely PR for us anyway. The Germans I've met, even if their english was pretty bad, would joke about the way american girls talk "oh my god like totally" or reference phrases like junk in the trunk. Do a lot of you have this image of Americans, that our girls talk with that bratty, dumb, loud and demanding voice? It's actually very prevalent, I just hadn't noticed as much until die Deutschen pointed it out to me.

I deal with a lot of stereotypes for being from Texas, but being asked "Oh so you cowboy huh? you like gun yes?" hardly compares to "oh you must be a nazi, arbeit macht frei, ja?" attitude. I've become a bit of a sympathizer for you all, really there is so much in our movies and video games about nazis and almost nothing about modern germany. Except rammstein, which reinforced the stereotypes quite well.

But has been an informative thread, thanks. Hope to make it out there someday and learn the language a bit better.

schoenfelder
Oct 16, 2009

Grade moj...

dooshy posted:

And I hardly ever see Germans traveling in the U.S. outside of new york, why not? It's cheaper for you these days, and who doesn't want to see Texas?
The others may want to correct me but in my experience for Germans the US are the coastal areas, i.e. NY, New England, Florida, California and some natural sights like Grand Canyon and Yosemite National Park.

Everything else is basically not on the map, as in nobody would get the idea to go on a vacation to e.g. Iowa because that thought never ever crosses your mind.

Some states do conjure up stereotypes, e.g. Texas is "cowboys, guns, oil, Bush, rednecks, half desert half prairie, barren wasteland in cultural terms." If that's the first thing you think about would you want to go there?

About the nazi stereotyping: You get used to it and usually it's not meant in a serious way but rather just as a stupid joke.

elbkaida
Jan 13, 2008
Look!

dooshy posted:

I'm from Texas, haven't been to Germany yet but studied the language in high school and made a lot of german friends while traveling in South America. I never figured out why, but it seems that about half of tourists in Ecuador are German. Just odd considering how far away it is and how few Americans or other europeans there are there in proportion to germans. And I hardly ever see Germans traveling in the U.S. outside of new york, why not? It's cheaper for you these days, and who doesn't want to see Texas? That said, I loved a lot of the german girls I met and still talk to several of them. I joke some about the stereotypes, particularly acting like most Americans who know so little of Germany apart from nazis and oktoberfest, and they don't seem to get it though. I told a girl in Berlin that I would wear lederhosen the whole time I was there so I could fit in, and she knows that I know Berlin is not at all like Bavaria, but she still seems to think I was serious.

My take on this:
-Ecuador: Germans like to travel and lots of people have that vision of going to south america and experiencing different culture etc., and Ecuador has Galapagos which is a big attraction. Also, many Germans don't really want to meet other Germans while travelling, so going to far away places is pretty common.
So the US is basically too easy to get to and people have seen it all on TV anyway.

-jokes: I noticed on the internet, that quite a lot of Germans aren't very good at picking up on jokes or sarcasm. Combined with the general assumption that US-americans don't know poo poo about Europe, that reaction doesn't surprise me much. So if you make some sarcastic comment half the Germans would tell you how "that is actually not correct and it really is like this ... " (I catch myself doing this sometimes, probably there is some German instinct to correct people on their misconceptions or mistakes, that overrides sense of humour), one quarter will not get it and the other quarter would laugh.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

unixbeard
Dec 29, 2004

elbkaida posted:

-jokes: I noticed on the internet, that quite a lot of Germans aren't very good at picking up on jokes or sarcasm. Combined with the general assumption that US-americans don't know poo poo about Europe, that reaction doesn't surprise me much. So if you make some sarcastic comment half the Germans would tell you how "that is actually not correct and it really is like this ... " (I catch myself doing this sometimes, probably there is some German instinct to correct people on their misconceptions or mistakes, that overrides sense of humour), one quarter will not get it and the other quarter would laugh.

i find this the case when having conversations with Germans (currently living in Germany). Often I think they have to focus quite a lot just to understand my English, so much so that the jokes sneaks by them.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply