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Spillane posted:if you read a word of what i posted instead of skimming through it's kind of obvious i read achewood pretty regularly. My post says "like" not "read".
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yeah because i read something i hate just to yell at people because i am literally a loving volcano shut the gently caress up (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Oct 16, 2009 04:36
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Spillane posted:no, for real, this aint a troll. Yes it is. Spillane posted:sporadic updates Chris Onstad is not your bitch Spillane posted:repetitive themes, his tendency to experiment and for the most part overindulge with dialogue You don't like what makes Achewood good. That's fine, but why come in here and tell us about it? Spillane posted:would be disastrous from any publishers perspective if he didn't have such an established fanbase and critical acclaim from the first couple of years. I can't see why anyone who just discovered achewood over the last two years would stick around based on the merit of the last two years of strips. it's a godsend that the entire archive is free, so new fans can easily access the entire material without spending a lot of dough which wouldn't exist if he was published from a major distributor from the start, hence why this dude should looooooove self-publishing and you all should too. The most recent anthology, a New York Times bestseller, is published by Dark Horse Comics so I'm not sure what you're on about. It's somehow wrong for a webcomic author to gain a huge following and make money by...self publishing on the internet, and then self-publishing books/merch to make money and support his family until it takes off and is picked up and marketed by a major publisher? I can't actually tell what your point is, but it sounds like you're mixing the patently obvious with your personal (different from 99% of the people in here) opinions in an attempt to sound smart. King Nothing fucked around with this message at 04:43 on Oct 16, 2009 |
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Oct 16, 2009 04:37
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King Nothing posted:Yes it is. hahaha nope deal with it first of all this doesn't exclude him from legitimate criticism whether he takes it or not, and second of all George R.R. Martin????? loving lol it was bad enough you linked notorious childrens author neil gaiman quote:
because the author checks in from time to time in this very thread and can take criticism however he likes, but just slobbering at his feet for scraps off the table isn't going to help anybody and it makes you look like a loving idiot quote:The most recent anthology, a New York Times bestseller, is published by Dark Horse Comics so I'm not sure what you're on about. It's somehow wrong for a webcomic to gain a huge following by...self publishing on the internet? I can't actually tell what your point is. my whole point is on quality, not self publishing, and a bestseller from a loyal fanbase doesn't mean poo poo other than a whole lot of fans are willing to shill out an extra couple of bucks to put it on their mantles.
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Oct 16, 2009 04:48
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King Nothing posted:The most recent anthology, a New York Times bestseller, is published by Dark Horse Comics so I'm not sure what you're on about. It's somehow wrong for a webcomic author to gain a huge following and make money by...self publishing on the internet, and then self-publishing books/merch to make money and support his family until it takes off and is picked up and marketed by a major publisher? I can't actually tell what your point is, but it sounds like you're mixing the patently obvious with your personal (different from 99% of the people in here) opinions in an attempt to sound smart. jesus gently caress read my loving post three times, talk to a friend, and then come back and realize I'm talking about quality and how it's simply opportunistic he self published from the start
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Oct 16, 2009 04:50
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Spillane posted:my whole point is on quality, not self publishing, and a bestseller from a loyal fanbase doesn't mean poo poo other than a whole lot of fans are willing to shill out an extra couple of bucks to put it on their mantles. So the WRONG people are buying it? Your argument seems to boil down to,"I don't like Achewood the way it is currently written" and suggests that anyone who shares a different opinion is either wrong or deliberately lying in order to "slobber" for an affectionate pat on the head from Onstad. There have been TWO storyarcs incorporating Mexican Magical Realism, and a few jokey asides here and there. You also accuse him of going to the well too often in the same sentence as you accuse him of being "too experimental". The "sporadic" updates you complain about are larger and more complex than earlier strips. Not to mention, this is all still being provided free to us, not self published (which to me at least indicates something is being self-made and then self-sold) at a time when all signs indicate that Onstad is busier than normal putting together things to be actually published by a real publisher. Finally, a bestseller IS a bestseller, regardless of why or who is buying it. None of these things in any way mean you SHOULD like Achewood, but just because you don't, doesn't make everyone else wrong. It just means you don't like it, not that it isn't any good, which it demonstrably is.
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Oct 16, 2009 04:57
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here i'll tell it to you on terms you can understand King Nothing you are a bad poster! You....are...bad!
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Oct 16, 2009 04:57
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Jerusalem posted:So the WRONG people are buying it? My argument is actually what I posted a page ago, and if you weren't so quick to raise arms for you're pathetic club you'd realize there's nothing untrue to what I said: achewood has become repetitive, overindulgent, and boring. Onstads late updating is annoying and unprofessional but can't be a major concern considering the medium, however the overall quality is not exempt and anyone who can't admit to themselves that achewood hasn't fallen off lately is...well...kind of weird.
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Oct 16, 2009 05:01
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Oh man I logged on and saw 20 new posts and thought some interesting discussion was going on. Not some guy raging with a broken shift key.
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Oct 16, 2009 05:02
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it is AMAZING how you all assume I hate achewood because I offer criticism instead of talking about how i want to gently caress teodor for being so right all the time
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Oct 16, 2009 05:03
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Jack Bandit posted:Oh man I logged on and saw 20 new posts and thought some interesting discussion was going on don't loving count on it
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Oct 16, 2009 05:06
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I'm not assuming anything it's just people complaining about a web comic on the internet becomes white noise after awhile.
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Oct 16, 2009 05:06
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I have no idea what the gently caress you hoped to accomplish by coming in here and arguing semi-coherently about how Achewood is bad because you don't like it.
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Oct 16, 2009 05:11
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He gets to post an lf thread about it.
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Oct 16, 2009 05:11
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Spillane posted:it is AMAZING how you all assume I hate achewood because I offer criticism instead of talking about how i want to gently caress teodor for being so right all the time
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Oct 16, 2009 05:17
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Spillane posted:here i'll tell it to you on terms you can understand
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Oct 16, 2009 05:19
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Maybe we can all agree that we all have opinions on things and that this is the stupidest loving argument ever?
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Oct 16, 2009 05:21
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Spillane start an achewood sucks thread if you want to have an intelligent discussion on the topic.
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Oct 16, 2009 05:21
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Spillane posted:don't loving count on it You have 8 posts on a single thread page talking about how terrible a thing is in a thread dedicated to talking about how awesome that thing is. You need to take a break from posting.
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Oct 16, 2009 05:23
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Oct 16, 2009 05:26
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BitterAvatar posted:Maybe we can all agree that we all have opinions on things and that this is the stupidest loving argument ever? it really is but that's because the only one who offered any semblance of discussion to what I said was Muffin Loaf the rest of you are just sputtering about how 10000 people who like something must be right so therefore gently caress right off smuglook yeah
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Oct 16, 2009 05:27
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why are people saying spillane posts in laissez's faire when i've never noticed the dude post in there before
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Oct 16, 2009 05:40
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you probably haven't seen me because i don't yell about how banging lenin would be tops all the time though it would be
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Oct 16, 2009 05:42
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Oct 16, 2009 05:43
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Spillane, if you don't like Achewood, maybe you should, I don't know, stop reading Achewood? Is this a hard concept to figure out?
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Oct 16, 2009 06:08
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withak posted:Spillane start an achewood sucks thread if you want to have an intelligent discussion on the topic. I let my fanflow subscription lapse for some of the same reasons Spillane is talking about. Sporadic, infrequent, unexpected updates are not an inevitable component of the creative process. Particularly when the author's method is to promise a time, break that promise, promise a new time, break that promise, and THEN it appears. That's irritating. If a man promises me delicious, free pie at noon, then tells me at noon to come back at 2, then to return at 4, and then again the next morning, it's still a tease, free pie or not, and it's kind of frustrating. Plus, if a man is squatting on a stage in public, grunting and squeezing, and has me check in every so often to watch him gasp and push, I'm going to be disappointed if he lays just your basic turd. I know that's unfair -- I'm not paying for the turds and what else comes out of there? But with all that loud effort, I'm expecting golden eggs. Basically what I mean is that Onstad could and should do a better job managing reader expectations.
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Oct 16, 2009 06:12
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BitterAvatar posted:Maybe we can all agree that we all have opinions on things and that this is the stupidest loving argument ever?
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Oct 16, 2009 06:20
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My statement of "on a steady decline for the past year or two" was over-strong, I'll admit. More like "radically more inconsistent in the past 12-18 months than in the previous several years." I still think achewood today is head and shoulders above nearly every other comic, it's just that achewood 2-3 years ago was head and shoulders above achewood today.
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Oct 16, 2009 06:21
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Copernic posted:Sporadic, infrequent, unexpected updates are not an inevitable component of the creative process. Particularly when the author's method is to promise a time, break that promise, promise a new time, break that promise, and THEN it appears. Yeah this is why I don't pay for the fanflow either. I own a bunch of achewood merch, but the fanflow doesn't appeal to me at all. Also since the fanflow started it seems like the blogs and such have all died  Spillane, criticizing his release schedule and the fact that Magical Realism is featured more heavily than Roast Beef nowadays is certainly fair game. The experimentation and "overindulgence" of dialogue is pretty much the definition of Achewood, and complaining about that would be like getting pissed that Picasso had lovely perspective or Sinatra didn't have enough drum solos. If he did three panel situation, setup, punchline cartoons all the time in 10 words or less he'd be Garfield. also maybe you should take your meds.
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Oct 16, 2009 06:28
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Spillane posted:it really is but that's because the only one who offered any semblance of discussion to what I said was Muffin Loaf the rest of you are just sputtering about how 10000 people who like something must be right so therefore gently caress right off smuglook yeah Why are you telling me to gently caress off im not even in the argument
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Oct 16, 2009 06:36
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I wouldn't care about his opinions if he presented them in a manner best suited for the type of language and syntax Achewood associates itself with. His style and presentation makes it readily apparent that this bear and cat comic is not the type of thing he should even be reading.
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Oct 16, 2009 06:53
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Muffin Loaf posted:I still think achewood today is head and shoulders above nearly every other comic, MS Paint Adventures is just as good as Achewood, but for completely different reasons.
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Oct 16, 2009 07:16
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Honestly though, it DOES seem really soon for another Magical Realism arc.
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Oct 16, 2009 07:27
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Spillane posted:it really is but that's because the only one who offered any semblance of discussion to what I said was Muffin Loaf the rest of you are just sputtering about how 10000 people who like something must be right so therefore gently caress right off smuglook yeah I know we don't have to be polite on the internet but you also can't expect a reasoned discussion to grow from such angry seeds. That being said, yes, Achewood is showing some real cracks lately and I say that not because I hate it but actually because I love it and don't want to see it decline. Furthermore one way to guarantee its decline is for all the fans to gush about everything Chris produces without the slightest inkling of criticism. Personally I don't give a poo poo about the sporadic update schedule. I am, however, really bothered by the stuff I've already mentioned and the lack of solid standalone strips. The constant launching into continuities and the sudden narrowing of what continuities involve (a small, arbitrary subset of the characters and "[humorous proper adjective] magical realism") are both kind of turning me off. There is still some real gold coming out, sometimes in strips, often in the fanflow, but then I look back a few years and literally every strip used to be amazing, and it's just not that way anymore. From about 2003-2007, I could count on my hands the number of strips that don't make me laugh out loud. This year, I could count the number that do.
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Volga Boatman posted:I remember reading that many big animation studios have a lot of their work done in NK these days. No idea how reliable that info was though. There's an interesting graphic novel memoir about it by Guy Delisle called 'Pyongyang.' He's also written graphic novels about working on contract in animation in China, and being the spouse of a Medicins Sans Frontières worker in Burma. He goes to the wackiest places. Personally I hope that the payoff from this strip is just 'Todd is gone, nobody particularly notices' and something else happens. Todd is the kind of dude who just exits your life at random from time to time. And Spillane, I think your opinion is valid but people would take it more seriously if you expressed it more coherently.
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Oct 16, 2009 08:37
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Okay can we all shut the gently caress up now Onstad has posted in the thread?
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Oct 16, 2009 08:57
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Nope!McGravin posted:Spillane, if you don't like Achewood, maybe you should, I don't know, stop reading Achewood? Hey, I'm a huge fan too, and own more than one Achewood book, but this is such a bad, tired argument that could be applied to anything and doesn't really deflect criticism so much as ignore it. There are things I could bring up about Achewood that I dislike, but I've noticed a trend that whenever it seems like the strip is starting to sag suddenly it turns around with some excellent standalones/storyarc, so I'm far from ready to start bashing it. Still, just because Onstad posts here doesn't mean this is the Achewood Appreciation Station, and I'm sure there's quite enough of that going on at his own forums. We're all big boys here, legitimate criticism shouldn't be met with calling people trolls or saying "shut the gently caress up unless you're posting about how you love it." Of course, Spillane was getting pretty defensive but he still made some good points brosephs!
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Spillane posted:it is AMAZING how you all assume I hate achewood because I offer criticism instead of talking about how i want to gently caress teodor for being so right all the time No, retard. But you don't post in this thread, and then come in here making GBS threads on the comic and everyone in the thread, barely taking the time to use punctuation, and scream at everyone because they disagree with your opinion and therefore can't read comics, can't read your posts, and are stupid and wrong. Honestly, the point isn't that you are wrong. The point is.. what the gently caress is your point? This is a thread where people who like achewood talk about achewood. You're coming in here, I guess, to tell us that we shouldn't like it as much? THANKS! Please go away.
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I don't feel that the strip is slipping at all. The last few years have seen as many great arcs and quotable lines as before. So what if the Roast Beef/Cartlidge Head arc wasn't a laugh a minute? Neither was the original CH arc. Onstad keeps the strip unpredictable by giving it a turn for the surreal. Every word that a character utters is exactly what that character would say in that situation, and somehow I never see it coming. That's dedication to the craft that you just can't get elsewhere. Believe me, I'm not one to suck up nor would I defend a strip that's jumped the shark. Achewood, now and then, is a great strip.
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