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Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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There's a slightly earlier strip where Ray is sitting in the tub wondering what Bill Cosby is doing. Celebrity references do not age well sometimes.

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Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

Come, all you fair and tender maids
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Let Gnoman steal your thy-y-me
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Pat is also fleshed out enough that his trait of "being the very incarnation of rear end in a top hat " is oviously wholly unrelated to any traits that might make the character seem like bigotry.

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

Come, all you fair and tender maids
Who flourish in your pri-ime
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Let Gnoman steal your thy-y-me
Le-et Gnoman steal your thyme




The alt-text for April 17, 2007 is amazing.

"Do not accept a spanking from Donald Trump, as the spanking will go bankrupt."

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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Let Gnoman steal your thy-y-me
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drrockso20 posted:

No we saw Roast Beef try and make one and gently caress it up and throw it away, it wasn't supposed to be a money thing really

That might be a cultural thing - what Beef and Ray were participating in was the Pinewood Derby (or a knockoff), an event usually but not always run through the Cub Scouts (a junior arm of the Boy Scouts Of America) in the US. Participants are given a kit containing a block of wood, four button-like wheels, and four nails to use as axles.

The idea is to carve it into a car shape and push it down a ramp - fastest one to the bottom wins the Derby. The kids are supposed to do most of the work themselves, but dads breaking out the power tools to one-up the other fathers is a common feature. So Ray had the sweet dad-made one, while Beef tried to do it the proper way before his Circumstances destroyed that effort.

If you aren't familiar with that event, it loses a lot of context.

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

Come, all you fair and tender maids
Who flourish in your pri-ime
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Let Gnoman steal your thy-y-me
Le-et Gnoman steal your thyme




One thing worth noting about Beef is that when Molly "leaves" him for a bit and he realizes how poo poo his living conditions are, he is able to move out on the spot. This implies that he has some decent amount of money but was mentally trapped into living with his abusive grandmother.

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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Let Gnoman steal your thy-y-me
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Johnny Aztec posted:

"I live in your pool house now. hi."

Moving out is more than just rent, unless Ray's feeding him constantly. This sounds unwise, as Ray's likely to wander off in an alcoholic haze.


Fair point - I forgot that's where he went.

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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Am I crazy, or was there originally an entire arc about how Corenelius got his bar?

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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Pakled posted:

That was in the blogs. Starts here. May be some crossovers with other characters.

I'm remembering it in comic form. Probably a false memory or conflation.

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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That one feels kind of strange because he clearly had some passion for those books. Later we see so much of his book-mill output that is clearly nothing but a paycheck to him.

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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I was talking abou the chatacter, not the author. As a follow-on toe the shifting characterization conversation

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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paradoxGentleman posted:

Roast Beef is probably the one Achewood character who I could see not really having a problem with LGBTQ+ people.
Teodor did work with that one porn actor but he also had that weird dream where an important person offers him a job and implies that he thinks he's gay, and he got weird about it, so he probably has some baggage there.

There was that one strip where Lyle was quie happy to find a job ad for "making recently transitioned MTF individuals more comfortable wit their new bodies". I could never work out if that was phobic or not.

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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Let Gnoman steal your thy-y-me
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Pat is an rear end in a top hat. His every trait is taken up to 11 and used to mistreat and abuse those around him because he is an rear end in a top hat.

He isn't a representative of any specific "safe to mock" archetype, he is that one guy in every friend group that nobody much likes but is kept around via inertia.

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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drrockso20 posted:

The idea that Showbiz never had a car in the first place but is addicted to buying equipment he can't even use due to not having a car is possibly one of the most ridiculous things Onstad ever came up with for Achewood

Or at least that's always been my interpretation of that line

I've seen it in real life.

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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KICK BAMA KICK posted:

Pat has also shot Beef to death.

Beef wouldn't be having a wedding if Pat hadn't killed him.

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Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

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Let Gnoman steal your thy-y-me
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RocketMermaid posted:

"What did your parents put in the living room to find out you were an rear end in a top hat?"
"Daylight?"

:lol: Goddrat, Lyle.

Lyle's a Registered rear end in a top hat and proud of it.

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