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panko
Sep 6, 2005

~honda best man~


UGH, NICE

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panko
Sep 6, 2005

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Chris Onstad posted:

Let the artist explore his sadder feelings, people.

panko
Sep 6, 2005

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in which case, here's a box of tissues and the keys to my Dodge, go ahead and take twenty. I'm parked behind the Starbucks and I left my phone in there; I have a really great data plan so go ahead and use that if you need to. Just leave everything in the back seat when you're done, though; I'm planning to encase the used tissues in handsome laminate blocks and make a killing on Etsy (hopefully it sells better than the Beneath The Convention Chairs of Ryan North Collection)

panko
Sep 6, 2005

~honda best man~


where da fux lyle

—Fan of Lyle

panko
Sep 6, 2005

~honda best man~


perhaps you would be interested in a link to the blog where I keep my Yamahata/Honikker slash fiction???

panko
Sep 6, 2005

~honda best man~


if it's not mine, then what do I have to be ashamed of?

panko
Sep 6, 2005

~honda best man~


Very rarely does Nice Pete's anger get the better of him, unless he feels looked down upon by soft men raised on paved surfaces. The last time we saw him attempt The Act out of passion, he was stabbed repeatedly in the forehead and butt-cheek. As this arc has demonstrated, he's -much- better at causing trauma when there is no malice in his actions.

Or maybe he should just stick to the van. The only driver that needs is Pete, and that's how you really rack up the hands.

panko
Sep 6, 2005

~honda best man~


I was at a party on Saturday and two guys in their underwear ended up fighting in the pool behind me. I turned back to the group conversation I was having and said, "Well, you can do whatever you want in life." Everyone laughed, no one got the reference, thanks for the line Onstad

That said, I'm uncomfortable with the blatant anti-homosexual sentiment exhibited in that strip; it's implying that the two men who touch naked in a hot tub are both inherently belligerent and disagreeable. Why couldn't it have been two -girl- cats, instead???

panko
Sep 6, 2005

~honda best man~


Happy Hippo posted:

MizuZero just expects more from gay porn plots than most folks do, I guess.

real gay porn has two chiseled Adonises jackhammering in the jacuzzi, hard hats and steel-toes arranged tastefully nearby. The Hot Tub Brawls series is the Double Deuce to real gay porn's Rick's Café Américain.

panko
Sep 6, 2005

~honda best man~


the last time I got into a van with a nude mustache, he ate my cheeseburger

panko
Sep 6, 2005

~honda best man~


are we doing ACHEWOOD: A RETROSPECTIVE now? because Lyle's brief dalliance in the gonzo porn industry's one of my favorite things


quote:

Jimmy crapped in my yard!

sonofa bitch, took a shot at him + chased him for a few but he was methed and ran like a ghetto cheetah. now there's this pathetic little yellow poo poo the size of a cig on the front lawn. I ain't goin near the thing so hopefully a dog eats it.

just wrapped vols I-VII of Frankenblumpkin, a nasty thing buyers are into now. we found this one russian guy who can self-blumpkin, kind of insane, so letty put some green makeup on him + bolts on his neck. after the money shot he looks up and goes BLUMPKIN...GOOOOOOD!


Followed shortly afterwards by his lucid tenure as cook at a Scottish all-girls school. What makes Lyle the best character is that he's a natural businessman; if he had Ray's luck he'd be Microsoft rich

panko
Sep 6, 2005

~honda best man~


I remember being seventeen and on High School March Break, refreshing the gently caress out of the site during the daily updates of the Great Outdoor Fight's climax. I remember when the alt text for one strip was Onstad caps-yelling at people for ruining his bandwidth, and I was happy it was so popular. I remember wondering the site crash was due to an influx of new readers (!!who wouldn't -get- why the GOF was so cool, because they didn't know the characters at all!!), or solely because of the sore-wristed adulation of the established fans.

That arc demonstrated how good of a writer Onstad is when he's motivated. It was both funny and badass, while seemingly eschewing all of the tropes and cliches that works saddled by those adjectives use as crutches. It provided relevant characterization while establishing a continuity. Best of all, it was daily, with the occasional couple-day break taken between the storyline's big beats, the author possessing complete understanding of Joe Internet's ephemeral attention span.

It's sad to see such an exemplary webcomic go out like this; the store non-functioning, updates sporadic, and storylines discarded. It's worse than the final months of Perry Bible Fellowship, because not only was that strip gag-a-day, it provided a satisfying and appropriate conclusion.

Not to say that there's a dearth of funny comics on the Internet, but they all seem so limited in comparison to Achewood. Wacky skull-and-nerd related non-sequitur? Historical figures behaving in contemporary fashion? Flowcharts and cock jokes? Achewood did it, and then moved on a few weeks later.

It should just end. Like an aging, bigoted celebrity, every year it continues to exist tarnishes the brilliance it demonstrated earlier in its lifespan.

Here's to ten years of Achewood. *grabs dicksack*

panko
Sep 6, 2005

~honda best man~


Jerusalem posted:

But it's still just as good as it ever was, there are just less strips at the moment. The quality hasn't diminished in the slightest (in my opinion, obviously).

I was a little hyperbolic. It hasn't declined in quality; the art is nice, and every once in a while there is a turn of phrase that really sticks to the consciousness (For example, the other day I woke up thinking "Restroom Eyes gets his way"), but it has reduced in both frequency and originality (though the latter is subjective). Earlier, I praised Achewood for its effortless shifts in tone and composition, with each sequence of strips either contributing to continuity, developing a character, or just being hilariously crass. Lately, it seems as if the strip has stagnated. I know that it's difficult for a work to remain innovative over a decade, but I've felt as if I've laughed at the exact same gently caress you Friday or Roomba Theatre or Depressed Beef jokes before, while the direct David Lynch cameo came off as contrived. There -was- one engaging storyline last year, but it was summarily abandoned. All of this is made worse by the infrequency of the updates.

If Achewood hadn't been excellent before, I wouldn't hold it to such a high artistic standard now. As it is, the current state of affairs undermines the legacy of the comic. Onstad should end the strip, and whenever he's got new material, he should blog it or get it published effortlessly in any number of venues. Right now, everything just comes off as lazy.

panko
Sep 6, 2005

~honda best man~


H.P. Shivcraft posted:

A clean exit makes for less baggage, indeed.

I forgot that this arc was last year. I agree with this post 100%

edit: except for the sappy personal poo poo, grow a pair you janey

panko
Sep 6, 2005

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panko
Sep 6, 2005

~honda best man~


I agree with the guy; I don't know why you dudes were so quick to leap on his dissenting opinion with Hyperbolic Strawmen (come see us play Tuesdays at the Trash Veranda). I thought Achewood prided itself on not being dated— check out this strip's equivalent from last year. It's ostensibly topical, except not at all, and as a result doesn't come off as contrived. Meanwhile, this one is all over the place, making references to bad Food Network shows, Justin Bieber, Glenn Beck, Somali pirates, and the Zune, then playing free word association with them, and writing that off as comedy.

Seriously, what is this, CAD South Park? Or have I lost my soul, and is the strip no longer for me?

panko
Sep 6, 2005

~honda best man~


oh, yeah, phuck autotune btw

panko
Sep 6, 2005

~honda best man~


The difference is that no-plot one-off Achewood used to be Klaus Nomi homages, illustrations of Emeril and George Michael, a clipart motorcycle clearing Mount Everest, or two men fighting nude in a jacuzzi.

Deathlove posted:

Lyle's calligraphy is well-known and respected.

stupid ugly retard posted:

The really ridiculous part is the idea that Ray never sent an all caps comic sans email.

Pardon me for interrupting in a manner befitting Kanye West, a man who Forbes will soon refer to as "a rapper with more ego than decorum", but you two wouldn't be saying these things were if these characters were just differently-drawn mouthpieces for the same brand of low-hanging ball jokes too hackneyed to conceal beneath the Dixie cup of verbosity, as well as the KY-Jellylike topical humor currently on spread. I'm just waiting for #Achewood to trend after the tortellini-fueled centaurs on MTV's Jersey Shore t-shirt time into "Here Comes a Special Boy" ringers.

panko
Sep 6, 2005

~honda best man~


The saddest thing.

panko
Sep 6, 2005

~honda best man~


Yeah sometimes I still wear my brown GoF tour '08 ringer about town. AA, so hugs the moobs real nice. Once in a blue I get someone asking me if I read Achewood. I tell him, yeah used to. Then I cross my arms and cock my hips and though my mouth's busy shaping a downwards dimpler he knows I don't anymore.

panko
Sep 6, 2005

~honda best man~


Every day as I put on shoes I look at the framed & signed print of Ray Gets Sort of Stoned I have on my wall. Today it made me nostalgic for the masterpiece that was Achewood, but instead of getting all bloo-lidded and binging through the archives, I went and read all the strips that had been put up since I stopped reading it altogether, picking up around March 2012.

It didn't take me long to catch up.

I also dug up this post, all the way from July 2011:

MizuZero posted:

I remember being seventeen and on High School March Break, refreshing the gently caress out of the site during the daily updates of the Great Outdoor Fight's climax. I remember when the alt text for one strip was Onstad caps-yelling at people for ruining his bandwidth, and I was happy it was so popular. I remember wondering the site crash was due to an influx of new readers (!!who wouldn't -get- why the GOF was so cool, because they didn't know the characters at all!!), or solely because of the sore-wristed adulation of the established fans.

That arc demonstrated how good of a writer Onstad is when he's motivated. It was both funny and badass, while seemingly eschewing all of the tropes and cliches that works saddled by those adjectives use as crutches. It provided relevant characterization while establishing a continuity. Best of all, it was daily, with the occasional couple-day break taken between the storyline's big beats, the author possessing complete understanding of Joe Internet's ephemeral attention span.

It's sad to see such an exemplary webcomic go out like this; the store non-functioning, updates sporadic, and storylines discarded. It's worse than the final months of Perry Bible Fellowship, because not only was that strip gag-a-day, it provided a satisfying and appropriate conclusion.

Not to say that there's a dearth of funny comics on the Internet, but they all seem so limited in comparison to Achewood. Wacky skull-and-nerd related non-sequitur? Historical figures behaving in contemporary fashion? Flowcharts and cock jokes? Achewood did it, and then moved on a few weeks later.

It should just end. Like an aging, bigoted celebrity, every year it continues to exist tarnishes the brilliance it demonstrated earlier in its lifespan.

Here's to ten years of Achewood. *grabs dicksack*

:smith:

panko
Sep 6, 2005

~honda best man~


my last post in this thread was five years ago and prior to that, nine years ago and boy was I disappointed at the state of achewood 2011

It’s mostly out of nostalgia but I did enjoy the latter hundred strips the last time I did a reread, last year

Despite all, it’s still a work that left a lasting impression on me and so, I got ray



with all caveats and reservations regarding monuments to the living heard and respected. Here’s hoping onstad’s got fewer skeletons in his closet than his house does

panko
Sep 6, 2005

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is nice pete bottomless during the basketball game?

panko
Sep 6, 2005

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panko
Sep 6, 2005

~honda best man~


The Voice of Labor posted:

dilbert hole'ing achewood seems, not exactly redundant, but superfluous to the source material

do you use dilbert hole’ing as a hypernym for any comic edit

panko
Sep 6, 2005

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ok cool, I was confused and thought you were alluding to a twenty-year-old set of gay rape jokes to bolster your perspective that the text of a webcomic that hasn’t updated since 2016 is sacrosanct

panko
Sep 6, 2005

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love all the blogs but I think my favourite arc is Sober Lyle Abroad

panko
Sep 6, 2005

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googling up the FARE THEE NOT WELL panel led me to this:

Trials of Honor Wiki - Cymulon Tenebron

who’s responsible?

panko
Sep 6, 2005

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I didn’t think that chubby cats could cure their diabetes but here we are at the tail end of 2022 and onstad is making whole on decade-old reneges :unsmith:. I now wonder if the dark horse stuff might actually come out

panko
Sep 6, 2005

~honda best man~


teodor fleecing todd of his male escort money lead to one of the best arcs of mid-period achewood, the north korean magical realism text adventure

panko
Sep 6, 2005

~honda best man~


disagree with teodor and molly. they have an extensive rapport after molly and beef move in together which mostly consists of teodor acting exactly how you’d expect him to

panko
Sep 6, 2005

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did oni’s downfall come because they published genderqueer because the timeline appears to align :smith:

panko
Sep 6, 2005

~honda best man~


I was poised to joke about the scott pilgrim money running dry but the real circumstances seem to be less funny

panko
Sep 6, 2005

~honda best man~


your av says it all

panko
Sep 6, 2005

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The Voice of Labor posted:

I've bought three here comes a special girl t-shirts. one for the girlfriend who left, one for the wife who didn't and one for the child who hopefully will someday

panko
Sep 6, 2005

~honda best man~


mashing f5 daily during the great outdoor fight

panko
Sep 6, 2005

~honda best man~


receiving the news of revived achewood with the same good-for-them nonchalance as learning that sunny day real estate is touring again or that clone high is doing a new season

panko
Sep 6, 2005

~honda best man~


haha yeah. gotta make sure ray is hale so he can invite envelopé, milklin, and uncle george to gin ocean redux: the dude has got no mercy. because you can do whatever you want in life.

panko
Sep 6, 2005

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Sep 6, 2005

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