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IOwnCalculus posted:I'm a bit perplexed at "maybe considering a three row SUV" but the ones you've listed as prime candidates are all the second-smallest or smallest two-row crossovers their respective companies make. The CRV/CX5/RAV4 aren't cramped by any means but I also wouldn't call the back seat "roomy" in any of them. Four adults will put you in fairly close quarters. You'll definitely take a fuel economy hit but if rear seat and road trip comfort are priorities, I'd also be looking at the Highlander as already mentioned, or the Honda Passport/Pilot. The primary passengers will be my wife and kid(s), especially on road trips. The two-row CUVs would seemingly be “just fine” for that kind of use. The three-row SUVs would be more out of convenience and covering every possible future scenario. I agree Grand Highlander would probably be the better vehicle with respect to space, but ultimately its space I’m not 100% sure we need beyond some “edge case” scenarios. EDIT: I say Grand Highlander because the base-level Highlander didn’t seem to offer what I wanted… it seemed to make more financial sense to look at the Grand Highlander LE (starting ~$43) rather than a top trim Highlander (starting ~$45k). What does Toyota offer that is in-between Highlander size and RAV4? Gin_Rummy fucked around with this message at 19:01 on Apr 2, 2024 |
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I drive the bigger ones for work as rental cars and I would call them 'luxuriously roomy'. like the highlanders, sequoias, gmc Yukons... rav4 has 'economy roomy'. the question is do you actually need a third row? I definitely don't. of course American frame of reference, a rav4 is relatively small. in Europe im pretty sure a rav4 is a behemoth? if gas mileage is your game going with the bigger suv's with luxury room doesn't play along. Gin_Rummy posted:EDIT: How do you feel about the softex seating? We know for sure we do not want fabric, and everything I’ve read implies the softex is much more durable and easier to maintain than real leather. I’ve only ever had leather seats in my cars though, so I only have hearsay to go off of there. ethanol fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Apr 2, 2024 |
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ethanol posted:if gas mileage is your game going with the bigger suv's with luxury room doesn't play along. To be fair, the hybrid SUVs (which we would almost certainly get if we went Toyota) seem more than good enough on MPG. The car we are replacing did somewhere in the high 20s and my Mazda usually gets about 30. The hybrid Grand Highlander seems to do about the same or more.
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the highlander is a good choice I think, I just didn't look at them because they're bigger and more expensive. rav4 was as big as I wanted edit: also I have no idea what a grand highlander is. an even bigger highlander? ethanol fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Apr 2, 2024 |
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Yep! If the manufacturer pricing is to believed, it starts at just a few grand more than a RAV4 XSE too (one RAV4 in our area that we like is priced ~$41.5k, vs Grand Highlander Hybrid XLE starting at $45k), with most of the features I’m wanting already coming standard. So it appears that I would be getting a lot kore of what I want for just a small up charge. The trick here though is that no one has inventory on the lower trim Grand Highlanders, and I have no idea what pricing will actually look like once it’s on a lot with dealership bullshit thrown in.
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I think you're already confirmed in the Rav 4 and Highlander zone but Mazda chat: a CX-5 is challenging with 2 car seats. Doable if the front seaters know what you're getting into but the driver is probably not getting their preferred position unless they are 5'5". CX-50 is needed to compete with the RAV4 layout on car seats. CX-50 is just a Mazda 3 and the history of the CX30 and CX-50 to date haven't given any reason to believe they'll age different. CX-90 is probably ok to avoid it as the first model Mazda has ever trucked with a hybrid. If you're balking at the RAV4 and Highlander Toyota tax you owe yourself looking a little harder at CR-V or a Pilot/Passport.
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Even a CX-5 seems massive to me. But again I’m coming from a tiny 20 year old coupe. And my main cargo concern is fitting my bike - all of the CUVs I test drove had enough space to hold my bike, if I put the back seats down. I hope you find a good suv to haul your family around. I think it’s nice that you have an intergenerational household 
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And yet another reason why I’m not totally sold on a three-row SUV either. Interior space is nice and all, but I already hate driving my dad’s Tacoma because of the size. Our old CUV was a Santa Fe sport which is much closer to a RAV4 and more in line with what I am comfortable in.
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If you can afford it I would get a third row with a family. They are very useful in typical extended family experiences That is if you can afford the cost and the fact that the car is bigger Get a minivan obviously but that is off the table I know.
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Should be clear that a third row is only extra seating in very specific marketer dream lands like carpooling kids to soccer practice 10 minutes away. If any adults are involved or you're going further with more or bigger kids or have substantial gear that comes with the passengers you're probably still caravaning or else you should consider a minivan. What third row really means is the second row can be in a spot that lets you avoid car seat interference and keep bigger kids knees from knocking the front seats. You don't need to avoid car seat interference or keeping kids knees out of the seat in front of them but it might be nice enough to make it into your money and space budget.
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Carpooling kids around is a pretty concrete reality
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:coupe body style CUVs are the fuckin dumbest poo poo in the world but in addition to that the Envista sucks and doesn't even offer any CUV utility seeing as how it's FWD only. its terrible acceleration will have you wishing they put a CVT on it I wonder how Envision cross shops with a CR-V. I bet everyone I show it to would be like "why wouldn't I just buy a CR-V" and CR-V has actually fine AWD now (for its indicated purpose) Inner Light fucked around with this message at 23:28 on Apr 2, 2024 |
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Gin_Rummy posted:What does Toyota offer that is in-between Highlander size and RAV4? They don't but isn't the regular Highlander a two-row, not a three row? That's how Honda has it split with the Passport (2-row) and Pilot (3-row). ethanol posted:I drive the bigger ones for work as rental cars and I would call them 'luxuriously roomy'. like the highlanders, sequoias, gmc Yukons... rav4 has 'economy roomy'. "Economy roomy" is a good description for the RAV4/CRV compacts. They aren't super tight but a couple inches here and there makes for a much more comfortable experience. I will also throw out a consideration that perhaps the car you have two rear-seat baby buckets in is not the car you want to keep for 15+ years, especially if you're open to EVs. In your shoes I would be tempted to spend on the lower side on something that meets the immediate needs and in five+ years, evaluate what's available for new/used EVs in your price range.
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The Highlander is three row. It's just a small three row. The Grand Highlander is more usable as a three row where the standard one is like zedprime said a thing you maybe use in a pinch to take kids to soccer. We have a 2012 highlander and I've never seen the third row, but because it has a third row you have some fore and aft adjustment on the second row that makes car seats/kids/etc fit much easier.
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Cage posted:My dad is going to need a new vehicle soon. He currently has a 2011 Rogue that he had to buy quickly after my brother totaled his car and its a piece of poo poo. He doesn't need much but it has to be easier to get into than a car, so suv or similar. So I guess I'm asking whats the current recommendation for "prius but six inches higher" if we want to stay on the cheaper side of things? Get yourself to your local Alfa Romeo dealer and pick up a just off lease Stelvio!
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davecrazy posted:Get yourself to your local Alfa Romeo dealer and pick up a just off lease Stelvio!
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Cage posted:Thats a lot more expensive than "cheap"! Seriously, used 2020/2021 examples with under 30k miles can be had for under 20k.
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davecrazy posted:Seriously, used 2020/2021 examples with under 30k miles can be had for under 20k. But how much are you going to pay your mechanic over the next 5 years?
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It's transportation (maybe) AND a hobby (of fixing cars)!
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I almost got roped into an iPace (sub $30k!) and the insurance was reasonable but then I remembered my shade tree wasn't gonna touch it and I am over an hour from the nearest Jaaaaag dealer. Ah well, back to looking for a leftover bolt.
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I've gotten to drive all manner of stupid expenisve 5-ish year old cars for real cheap thgought my life because I buy things I can and am willing to work on. It takes its own toll, but gaddamn do not buy this poo poo if you're not able to and like working on it.
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I keep trying to justify a way to seriously think about an F-Type but I can’t find a legit reason to spend that much on a car that has even less utility then my current ride.
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"It gives you the fizz" is a perfectly good reason. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-x9w2HzZf8
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IOwnCalculus posted:I'm a bit perplexed at "maybe considering a three row SUV" but the ones you've listed as prime candidates are all the second-smallest or smallest two-row crossovers their respective companies make. The CRV/CX5/RAV4 aren't cramped by any means but I also wouldn't call the back seat "roomy" in any of them. Four adults will put you in fairly close quarters. You'll definitely take a fuel economy hit but if rear seat and road trip comfort are priorities, I'd also be looking at the Highlander as already mentioned, or the Honda Passport/Pilot. The cr-v has huge rear end back seats, they've got the same legroom as the front, the doors open wide, and it's easy as hell to get things in and out of there along with having a great storage area in the rear. It's one of the reasons I bought mine.
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3rd row seats seems like the new pickup bed. Everybody thinks they need it.
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Cage posted:Am I crazy for liking the buick envista? Its cheap and still has a six speed transmission instead of a cvt. It's basically a tall, FWD sedan. It's slow and not sporty to drive. I do think it looks good, and it's inexpensive by today's standards. But I don't know how much longevity I'd expect out of that tiny turbo motor. Also: Why isn't it a hybrid? Seems like that would improve performance and economy.
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Motronic posted:I've gotten to drive all manner of stupid expenisve 5-ish year old cars for real cheap thgought my life because I buy things I can and am willing to work on. It takes its own toll, but gaddamn do not buy this poo poo if you're not able to and like working on it. If I was looking to buy an unreliable car, pile of poo poo or otherwise that I was willing to do all or most of the work to, to keep going I'd probably stick to something American. At least parts are more likely to be cheap and available. Not that I'm trying to tell anyone how to live their lives.
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Inner Light posted:I wonder how Envision cross shops with a CR-V. I bet everyone I show it to would be like "why wouldn't I just buy a CR-V" and CR-V has actually fine AWD now (for its indicated purpose) That's why they don't really sell well, of course. I think the Envision has a nicer interior, a better transmission, and very quiet and comfortable ride compared to the CR-V. But most buyers don't care that much and also the CR-V is a Honda so it will sell no matter what. Number_6 posted:It's basically a tall, FWD sedan. It's slow and not sporty to drive. I do think it looks good, and it's inexpensive by today's standards. But I don't know how much longevity I'd expect out of that tiny turbo motor. It's not a hybrid because it's built to a price point.
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wesleywillis posted:If I was looking to buy an unreliable car, pile of poo poo or otherwise that I was willing to do all or most of the work to, to keep going I'd probably stick to something American. While true, I've found much better DIY/self maintenance communities around german cars and more "special" asian cars (think Miata, Z-cars, etc). When you're rolling with a redundant array of inexpensive shitboxes you can structure things so waiting on parts for one isn't a problem. These same communities very often have a few people selling parts/with parts cars so you can cut down on costs.
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Yikes
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It's not just Ram. People have had it with $85k strip model trucks and $100k well equipped trucks. The lots are overflowing with them at Dodge, Ford and Chevy too. They finally pushed too far and with interest rates what they are the kind of person who would spend 6 figgies on a measly 1/2 ton pickup (read: toy, not a truck capable of real truck-type work) simply can't afford it. In that same price range but targeted at a very different market segment, Porsche can't seem to keep Macans and Cayennes in stock however.
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can you post the one for toyota...
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davecrazy posted:Yikes A lot of that sales loss is due to them no longer offering the models listed. The Cherokee dropped 91% because they stopped making it, same with the Chrysler 200.
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davecrazy posted:Yikes How are there that many people willing and able to buy Wagoneers?
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Explosionface posted:How are there that many people willing and able to buy Wagoneers? Judged by driving around Arches and Canyonlands on a common spring break week, a shitload?
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How do I return a 7 year old car in a way it shows on their public sales figures? I want to be the -1 Chrysler 200s.
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Presumably a warranty situation
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Just get a minivan, coward!
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Motronic posted:It's not just Ram. People have had it with $85k strip model trucks and $100k well equipped trucks. The lots are overflowing with them at Dodge, Ford and Chevy too. They finally pushed too far and with interest rates what they are the kind of person who would spend 6 figgies on a measly 1/2 ton pickup (read: toy, not a truck capable of real truck-type work) simply can't afford it. In that same price range but targeted at a very different market segment, Porsche can't seem to keep Macans and Cayennes in stock however. the amount of people who buy 90k trucks while calling themselves "working class" but think someone buying a macan is a bougie is lol
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Shipon posted:the amount of people who buy 90k trucks while calling themselves "working class" but think someone buying a macan is a bougie is lol Then they have a giant poo poo fit and yap constantly about insurrection because gas is too expensive. Remember back in the late aughts when people bought fuel efficient cars instead of screaming about freedom from their big stupid loving TRUCKS? They were out frivolously using gas to poo poo up overpasses waving "gently caress Trudeau" flags the other day because our carbon tax went up 3c a liter.
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