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MisterSparkle
Jan 16, 2004
banishes dirt to the land of wind and ghosts
EDIT: er..there should be an 'of' somewhere there in the tile.

As a mechanical engineering student I have some sort of weird fetish for catastrophic mechanical failures.





MisterSparkle fucked around with this message at 14:39 on Oct 31, 2009

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MisterSparkle
Jan 16, 2004
banishes dirt to the land of wind and ghosts

leica posted:

How in the hell does that even happen? Did he not tighten the lug nuts?

1/2" Lug Nuts on a M12 Stud.

Was able to get them on and tighten them (stripping the thread in the process).

That was result.

MisterSparkle
Jan 16, 2004
banishes dirt to the land of wind and ghosts
I like where this thread is going

MisterSparkle
Jan 16, 2004
banishes dirt to the land of wind and ghosts

Doctor Bud posted:

I think that's due more to the inherent mechanical imbalances in a straight-8. Crank whip anyone?


Interesting. See I was educated that I-8's are gone because of the ridiculous packaging that they required in the engine bay.

Then again, If you can package a I-6 transversely these days, perhaps a longitudinal I-8 isn't that out of the picture. I guess however, it's the same length as a V16. So you might as well crank one of them if anything.

Also, with vibrations I understood that I-8 had a completely balanced second moment of vibration (As it is two I-4's together). Much like a I-6 or any boxer engine.

And that is why you can have v12's and v16's at any bank angle.

MisterSparkle
Jan 16, 2004
banishes dirt to the land of wind and ghosts

Hypnolobster posted:

Well yes I know, but the experience would be roughly the same.

get an alfa or a jag.

MisterSparkle
Jan 16, 2004
banishes dirt to the land of wind and ghosts
alot of modern diesels have an electronic butterfly in the inlet to stop pumping loss. These can be shut to stop run away. I've seen photos of butterflies bent out and eaten, just to due to pressure differential and flow.

MisterSparkle
Jan 16, 2004
banishes dirt to the land of wind and ghosts
wow, this thread really went off track

MisterSparkle
Jan 16, 2004
banishes dirt to the land of wind and ghosts

frozenphil posted:

Detonation is bad, kids. However, if you know a badass with a welder, he can fix you up proper.








In the same vain:

MisterSparkle
Jan 16, 2004
banishes dirt to the land of wind and ghosts

2ndclasscitizen posted:

How the gently caress would that have happened?

In the immortal words of my car buddy:

++Ignition -Fuel

MisterSparkle
Jan 16, 2004
banishes dirt to the land of wind and ghosts
Valid theory Pipkin.

Otherwise if the detonation was caused by overheating, one could assume that the flame front (and the hottest part of the burn) would be ignited by a "hot spot" on a cylinder wall.

MisterSparkle
Jan 16, 2004
banishes dirt to the land of wind and ghosts
If anyone can figure this one out, I'll be impressed:



I've never seen, read, heard of a failure of anything like this. That is the Exhaust Cam (Stock RB25DET), above cylinder 2.

Friends Car, pulled the rocker cover last night.
Specs:
Nissan R32 Skyline GT-ST
Swapped R33 RB25DET:
-Forged Internals
-Larger Low Mount Turbo
-GTR Oil Pump
-Retuned on Nistune
-~230kW

Obvious signs of seized cam bearing(s) are non-existent (scoring, colour, slop).
Failure does not have radial direction marks and failure through torsional shear is not apparent.



KaiserBen posted:




Oh. Oops.


Want to sell me the throttle bodies?

MisterSparkle fucked around with this message at 05:46 on Mar 8, 2011

MisterSparkle
Jan 16, 2004
banishes dirt to the land of wind and ghosts

Fire Storm posted:

Was the missing section there or was it completely missing? (With something that weird, I have to ask)

Nah, it was there (removed to show failure grain).

Story goes:
Car had started whining a little from what they thought was the CAS bearing, the mechanic said it was not a problem and they ordered a new CAS.

Driving along and heard what can only be described as a metal bang noise, car lost power, was able to get it restarted once but was rough and poo poo.

Replaced CAS and used my consult cable to clear all error codes, no love, we towed it back to the garage and in the tear-down found this.

Gonna have a look with a boroscope over the weekend and see if we bent any valved or dinged the pistons.

If not:
Replace cam, compression check >> run like that

If damage:
Pull engine, junk, put in a new one.

MisterSparkle
Jan 16, 2004
banishes dirt to the land of wind and ghosts

the_reject posted:

The only time I've ever seen anything remotely like this was on a 300TD turbodiesel that the owner tried doing his own valve adjustment. He got so far as mal-adjusting the clearance on cylinder 1, realized he was out of his league, put it back together, and hit the starter. On the first revolution, valves and pistons shook hands and the cam broke exactly like what you have pictured. No torsional or radial shear marks, no large crystalline structure in the cast iron indicating poor casting - it just plain fuckin' broke the camshaft.

I don't know...can't figure it out.

More information:
-The Exhaust Cam Gear is ~3 teeth out, no idea if this was before...or after said failure
-I was wrong about the location of the break (it is the second lobe of #1 and first lobe at #2).
-The failure was at the machining start for the bearings at these locations
-Tappets spin freely (not that doesn't indicated a seized lifter) and there are no marks on them from say, resistance against the cam.
-the end section of the cam appears free from binding in any of the bearings (although it is cold now, so who knows)

:psyduck:

MisterSparkle fucked around with this message at 01:01 on Mar 10, 2011

MisterSparkle
Jan 16, 2004
banishes dirt to the land of wind and ghosts
Dang, goodbye clutch basket.

Looks like a R6 Pack with more clutches....R1 perhaps?

MisterSparkle
Jan 16, 2004
banishes dirt to the land of wind and ghosts
abs pressure pumps and solenoids draw huge amounts of current due to the required force and speed required for actuation.

some specs I've seen seem to suggest surge currents of 60-80A.

basically, inductive loads are a bitch.

MisterSparkle
Jan 16, 2004
banishes dirt to the land of wind and ghosts

sigtrap posted:

Post mechanical failures you stupid motherfuckers.

In an attempt to revive my thread:



my old FSAE team, out on a test day. Guess no one thought to crack test the ally hubs after the last race.

The ally hub is my design, but they modified it to include a 4140 steel CV housing instead of machining it into the aluminium, improved the lifetime of the CV faces. But obviously didn't think about the stud stresses or fatigue.

Ohwell.

MisterSparkle fucked around with this message at 11:36 on Aug 15, 2011

MisterSparkle
Jan 16, 2004
banishes dirt to the land of wind and ghosts

atomicthumbs posted:

Jesus what did they do? Drive into a lake?

Not a lake, a different body of water.

MisterSparkle fucked around with this message at 00:26 on Sep 6, 2011

MisterSparkle
Jan 16, 2004
banishes dirt to the land of wind and ghosts

Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:

Post Horrible [snip] Refrigerants

came to post almost this exact phrase

MisterSparkle
Jan 16, 2004
banishes dirt to the land of wind and ghosts
YAY. The thread is back!

In celebration:


From a car that I used to work with.....

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MisterSparkle
Jan 16, 2004
banishes dirt to the land of wind and ghosts

Nomex posted:

I saw this guy in the parking lot yesterday.



He's just got his ackerman set to "F1-Spec"

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