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I Am Hydrogen
Apr 10, 2007

Shnicker posted:

If there are any Americans interested in a working holiday visa for Australia, there is one. It's not as good as the ones others can get, but it's good enough for 1 year. The only real limitation on it is that you can't work at one job for more than 6 months. I got mine about 2 years ago and it was around $180 Australian then I think.

It's called the Work and Holiday Visa (subclass 462) and you can find more information on it here:

http://www.immi.gov.au/visitors/working-holiday/462/

I'm in Australia right now on the Work and Holiday Visa (462), and it's around $250 now. You can also get the 417 after you have the 462, which will extend your stay for another year, and you can work for the same company for a year rather than 6 months. I'm not sure how much the 417 is, however. Not a bad deal though.

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I Am Hydrogen
Apr 10, 2007

Shnicker posted:

Wait what? Do you know what happens if I left Australia already and I've finished my 462? Can I still come back and "extend" with a 417? I'm American, of course. Sorry, I thought I'd done all the reseach that could be done about staying in Australia longer without getting sponsored or marrying an Australian girl...

Here you go. Hopefully I'm not misunderstanding what it's saying.

http://www.immi.gov.au/visitors/working-holiday/417/how-the-visa-works.htm

It's about half way down under Second Working Holiday Visa, but it looks like you can just reapply even if you're outside of Australia. They have a table with all your options.

quote:

You were outside Australia You can:

* travel to Australia at any time in the 12 months from the date your second Working Holiday visa is granted (this cannot be extended or deferred)
* stay in Australia for 12 months from the date you first enter the country on your second Working Holiday visa.

I Am Hydrogen
Apr 10, 2007

Shnicker posted:

Oh I see... yeah, I'm American so I can't get the second working holiday visa. We're only allowed the 462 visa, so we can't even apply for a second 417. Basically if you're on the approved country list for the 417 you can do 3 months of work in a rural postcode and get an extra year of eligibility. But I asked the immigration office and unfortunately it doesn't apply to us Americans. Oh well...

Woops. I could have sworn that the US was listed on 417 as well. Don't know how I screwed that up.

I Am Hydrogen
Apr 10, 2007

TreFitty posted:

Is Australia an okay place to work as a programmer? Is the pay good and are jobs as plentiful as they seem?

No clue about programming jobs here, but check out seek.com.au and search through that. It'll give you a good idea. And yes, the jobs are as plentiful as they seem.

I Am Hydrogen
Apr 10, 2007

TreFitty posted:

I've got lots of experience in Java, .NET (C# and VB, ASP and Windows), and PHP. Any locations you could recommend starting a search? Should I be in country before I start searching or is it not a waste of time to apply from here in Korea?

You can try applying from outside of the country, but anyone interested is going to want to call you, and I'm not sure how keen they'll be on calling an international number. Plus there's the whole interview thing. Might be worth a try though. I didn't start applying until I entered the country.

I Am Hydrogen
Apr 10, 2007

TreFitty posted:

I have a question about public transportation: is it viable? I can't survive in most parts of the US without personal transportation and have spending close to two years in Korea, I much prefer public transportation.

I am well aware that I will not get laid this way.


edit: My idea is to work a respectable job but live like a complete hobo. I'm much happier with that lifestyle, so I'm wondering just how accommodating Australia might be in that way. Like how much would a tiny, lovely room cost? I don't want to live in slums (neighborhood wise), but I really don't care to live in a nice apartment/house.

The public transport isn't bad. It isn't great either though. I purposely got a place within walking distance of a station, and thankfully my job is a block from the station I work near. You can get to most places with public transport. It's just that it can take forever to get from one place to the other sometimes. The press gives it a lot of poo poo, but I personally don't think it's as bad as they make it out to be.

As for how much a tiny lovely room might cost - it really depends on where you live, so that's a hard question to answer. Where about would you want to live? The city? The 'burbs? Bumblefuck Epping? (Assuming you're talking about Sydney.)

I Am Hydrogen
Apr 10, 2007

BlindSite posted:

Even if you can't walk into a job, there's definitely not a lack of jobs in the other industries where you can do menial work, i.e. Day labouring, or working in in retail till you get a job in your preferred industry, pay isn't too bad in most of these areas. i.e. 600-800 per week depending on hours and age. At least you'll survive.

Also if you have a qualified trade, builder, plumber, carpenter, etc, there's plenty of work in and around the brisbane area.

This is kind of what I did. I worked a crap job begging people for money for charities when I first arrive. ("Have you heard about the Australian Wildlife Foundation?") I kept on applying for jobs in the meantime, and it was nice because they let you choose what days you wanted to work, so I just took off whenever I had an interview and eventually I landed a well-paying job doing something I enjoy.

And just to emphasize what BlindeSite said, there seriously isn't a lack of jobs here if you're willing to do anything until you find something you want to do. Just make sure you have a good resume, cover letter and know how to interview and you'll be fine. (But you have all of that prepared already, right?)

I Am Hydrogen
Apr 10, 2007

I have to go to Canberra for business this week. I get there Monday evening and leave Thursday night. I'll only be able to do things after 6pm. Is there anything to do there? All I've heard is that it sucks, and everything worthwhile can be done in a day. Any suggestions on cool things to see/do? Never been there before. Any and all advice is appreciated.

I Am Hydrogen
Apr 10, 2007

Readman posted:

I used to go there a bit for work and I was completely depressed whenever I was down there. It is the type of city that sucks the will to live out of you. I absolutely hate the place.

Other than work, the only stuff to do is touristy stuff, like visiting the National Museum, High Court, etc. And I'm pretty sure that's all closed by 6pm. The restaurant district at Kingston/Manuka is nice, though.

Bummer. I might walk around a bit the first night and then just hang out in my hotel room ha.

I Am Hydrogen
Apr 10, 2007

Readman posted:

There are some genuinely nice restaurants at Kingston/Manuka that you can try out. There's a great Portugese one (I think it's called 'Vasco's' or something like that).

Other than that, I'm trying to think of stuff that you can do after 6pm, but coming up a bit of a blank, sorry.


Cool, thanks. I'll check out that restaurant.

On another note, is the casino any good - specifically the poker room? It's relatively close to my hotel and I would have no problem spending my evenings there if it's any good ha.

As for getting drunk, I would if I didn't have to get up so drat early.

I Am Hydrogen
Apr 10, 2007

Morning Bell posted:

Is it even possible to prove cohabitation outside of Oz? Her country is not eligible for a working holiday visa.

If you have bills (credit, utilities and whatnot) to the same address then it is easy. My brother and his fiance moved to Oz in November after living in London together for 8 months (she's a Canadian citizen and he's US) and they had their de facto visas approved without a problem. They just showed credit card bills going to the same address in London. He has a 457 or whatever long-term work visa in Oz and were able to get her a visa with little trouble.

I'm currently in the process of waiting for that year mark to tick with my current girlfriend, so we can claim de facto. She's an Aussie and I'm a good ol' American. It doesn't look like we'll have any problems.

I Am Hydrogen
Apr 10, 2007

Vanilla posted:

Good site 2ndclasscitizen, bookmarked.

If I do stay in the CBD I like the look of some of these fancy apartments that include the pool, gym, etc.

I do have one question though - they all seem to have front desks. Do they have any rules around friends and family staying for a few weeks or, even simpler, friends coming back after a night out?

I don't know if the purpose of the front desk is pure security or to enforce some bullshit rules! I have a 'hotel' mentality when I see them and don't want to get into a super restrictive rental agreement.

My brother lives in an apartment with a front desk in the CBD and it's the most annoying thing in the world. I stayed with him for less than a month when I first moved here and they gave us so much crap for it. We got into a number of arguments with them. It got to the point where they were threatening to fine/evict him. Now when I come to visit they make everyone sign in and then wait at the front desk for the person living there to come get them. It sucks.

I live in the CBD now as well and I hate it. It was all right at first but the CBD isn't that great. I love cities and living in them but the CBD just doesn't do it for me. I'm moving up to St Leonards in July and I can't wait. I'd definitely recommend checking out the suburbs before settling on the CBD.

I Am Hydrogen
Apr 10, 2007

Fists Up posted:

Thats interesting. I've never had a problem with them but I can understand that some of them are annoying. Especially when you get some really political people in the body corporate.

I work in St leonards. Its getting a lot more people moving there.

They're definitely all about their notices and mandates and bylaws and crap. Every time I go over there's a new piece of paper in the elevator notifying everyone of some new decision they've made.

Yeah, that's why I'm moving there. Have a couple of friends with a spare room, so it works out nicely.

I Am Hydrogen
Apr 10, 2007

I want to check out the outback but tickets to NT are more than I want to pay (although I really want to see Uluru) and I won't be able to take enough time off from work to make it worth it. Instead I'm planning on checking out the outback in NSW. Where should I go? Any recommendations on the best things to see/do? Will it be a let down?

I Am Hydrogen
Apr 10, 2007

Alfajor posted:

I'm going on my honeymoon next week to Sydney & Cairns. I'm excited as gently caress about it!
We have scheduled tours and visits to the opera house and the harbor bridge, and stuff like that... but we have 1 day in Sydney with no plans.
Can someone recommend something to do that's interesting, cheap and unique about Sydney/Australia? We're probably going to go bar hopping, but that's about all the ideas we have!

We also have a day off in Cairnes (actually, Port Douglas) but we're thinking of using it to take a 1-day tour of the rainforest. Is that worth it? Any companies/tours/areas near that are recommended over others?

The zoo and aquarium are pretty cool. Even though it's cold, I'd check out the beaches. It's raining a ton thought, so have something indoors planned as well as a backup.

For Cairns, go white water rafting on the Tully River - it's a bit of a hike but they'll pick you up wherever you are in Cairns. I went in March and it was awesome. (ragingthunder.com.au - ask for Matt) Definitely get the extreme package if you do it. It's not worth the money if you don't. It was a 4 hour adrenaline rush.

I Am Hydrogen
Apr 10, 2007

Steve. posted:

There's not too much "outback" in New South Wales that's easy to get to without driving.

The easiest would probably be either Broken Hill or Mildura. Both have airports, but flights are expensive - $200 or more each way, which is slightly more expensive than Sydney to Uluru with Virgin Blue on the dates I searched for.

Neither location is going to be particularly interesting for more than about a day or two, and will be very annoying to travel to without transport.

Uluru is the better option - it's a well oiled location on the tourist trail and seeing things and doing things is stupidly easy to arrange.

I'd take the country link train, which is only about $80. Where are you finding these cheap flights? On the virgin blue site and a couple others I checked, it's around $500 return for the beginning of August to go to Uluru. I'd rather do that but I don't feel like paying that much.

I'm not looking for a long holiday. Just something to do over a long weekend, so I'm find with only a day or two of entertainment.

If need be, I'll rent a car. Mainly just looking for advice on anything interesting to see / do.

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I Am Hydrogen
Apr 10, 2007

Steve. posted:

I totally forgot about the Country Link trains! They look to be OK.

I just plugged some random dates in to the Virgin Blue booking thing: Sydney to Uluru on September 22, returning on the 25th. Works out to be $368 return with carry on only, $20 more with checked in bags.

I'm not so sure of other places to visit that are worth seeing, though.

Cool, thanks. Yeah, I didn't think about country link either until I was on the train the other day and saw an ad. In the meantime, I might just keep looking for tickets to Uluru in hopes of finding a dip in prices one day.

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