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Who Killed WCW?
Eric Bischoff
Hulk Hogan
Vince Russo
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Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




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rujasu posted:

Yeah, that's exactly what happened. I forgot they even had a 5th member; it was all about the four guys. And while Douglas, the one who didn't jump to WWE, was the leader/mouthpiece of the group, his star was fading fast at that point. I think he kept the Revolution theme music, but he didn't do much after that.

Basically you had the whole group suddenly jumping ship to WWE but swapping out Douglas for Guerrero.

Douglas basically stuck around WCW with his Perfect Strangers knock-off music and got Torrie Wilson as a valet. Cut a lot of promos where he threatened to "Franchise" people's asses. It was not great.

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Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




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rujasu posted:

It has been a long time, but I recall Tony & Bobby on Mayhem being better than they ever were on actual Nitro. Some of the lines Tony recorded for the game were legitimately funny at least.

Mayhem (or it might've been Backstage Assault) also gave us the great Bobby Heenan line "The Greco-Roman low blow"

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




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Lex Luger discovering he can play air guitar on his abs is also a really nice, subtle gag.



It's really a shame he was so misused for so long and by the time he was getting used right his body was breaking down.

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




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Hedgehog Pie posted:

The No Holds Barred bit is one of my favourite parts of that entire show. "YOU CAN DRIVE MY LIMO!!!"

Heenan was obviously burned out by WCW quite quickly, but I can still remember some of the lines from his earlier period there, before the big boom. He was hit-or-miss then but the only thing I can recall him doing after WCW got big was his snapping at Schiavone after Gorilla died. I don't remember a single thing that Ventura did in WCW sadly.

He was the MC for the 1992 Jesse Ventura Invitational Strongest Arm Arm Wrestling Tournament (which was won by Van Hammer :v: )

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




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Low Desert Punk posted:

these are indistinguishable from Nintendo 64 ads





Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




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Halloween Jack posted:

Anything marketed to young men in the 90s was super duper edgy. It was the zeitgeist.

Pretty much, there are some weird as gently caress Game Boy ads from that time period.

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




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Hedgehog Pie posted:

I actually have good memories of Mayhem! Less so Backstage Assault.

Having played both really my only good memory of them is Bobby Heenan's commentary line about the "greco-roman low blow", which I think was in both but might've only been one of them. Can't remember which.

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




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overmind2000 posted:

Probably entirely shirts, I don't think anyone was buying Jeff Jarrett bean bag brawlers or autographed photos.

Or "Slapnuts Blvd." Street signs

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




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I don't think the world is ready for a Supermarionation rendition of Pro Wrestling.

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




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Yinlock posted:

hogan's most common trick was the win-trade gambit where he'd take a win now and lose to you at a later date

the later date then never comes up

he did this all the loving time

"I'll gladly job to you Tuesday for a victory today, brother" - J. Wellington "Hulk" Hogan

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




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Better Than You posted:

What's even funnier is that before eventually revealing the truth, Malenko flat out lied to Douglas and told him he was fishing with his brother in Florida or somewhere like that.

In Shane's defense, he thought robots were incapable of lying:v:

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




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Today the role of Paul E. Dangerously will be played by Jim Belushi.

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




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WSAENOTSOCK posted:

I love that the birdshit logo was so bad that WCW magazine probably took one look at it, said "absolutely not," and had their graphic designer make a different one.

Which then was the logo used whenever they needed a Locker Room sign.

So you had the birdshit logo on almost everything else but any time there was a backstage locker room vignette there was the "newer" logo

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




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Alaois posted:

raaaaaaaaaaandy

YEAHHHH, RANDY YEAH.

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




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coconono posted:

Has anyone ever explained what Mike Graham's problem was in general? Nearly every story I hear of him, he has a pathological need to be an rear end in a top hat.

I mean given how he ended up (as did his dad, his uncle, and his grandfather) he probably had some really deep mental/emotional issues...unless this is a different Mike Graham.

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




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Maigius posted:

Are the WCW six-man titles among the least prestigious titles in wrestling? They certainly are some of the ugliest.

Any of the 12 Herb Abrams' UWF Titles, most of which had only one holder. One time I saw the UWF SportsChannel Television Championship in a pawn shop and I can't figure out if it was the real one or a Replica because both are equally improbable for showing up in a pawn shop in Southern New Hampshire.

Angry_Ed fucked around with this message at 05:17 on May 22, 2020

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




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Admiral Joeslop posted:

How many movie/TV show based angles did WCW have? I know of the Wizard of Oz, RoboCop, and Chucky. 3 Ninjas Whatever Mountain kinda maybe, since Hogan mentioned it by name as advertising.

Also the Battle-Dome feud that went nowhere outside of getting Terry Crews some WCW screentime :v:

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




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Max Coveri posted:

Who in tarnation was Big Al? There seems to be zero information on him available, and cagematch brings up another unrelated wrestler.

911 in ECW wait no he was a different Big Al in WCW :psyduck:

Angry_Ed fucked around with this message at 06:35 on Aug 21, 2020

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




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Hedgehog Pie posted:

Get it, because Duggan says USA and now he's Canadian! :russo:

I love when Bryan asked Lance Storm about the Team Canada stuff and Lance was talking about how Vince Russo was constantly like "see you get this thing wrong because it's funny" (example, getting the number of states wrong if I remember right) and Lance's constant refrain was ":what: Why am I dumb?" and Vince's inability to explain that resulting in Lance getting some creative victories over Russo.

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




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I'm going to leave OVW in the hands of my bestest associate ever, Mr. Black

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




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Xerzes posted:

I have no idea, but Millennium Final, a Germany-exclusive PPV, might have been the last good one WCW had.

The German commentary team being hype as gently caress for everything certainly helped too

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




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The Croc posted:

Its the youtube we own nothing in the description or putting the whole fair use law before putting up whole copyrighted shows

Support the Official Release German Suplex

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




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Pylons posted:

Or putting "If you intend to sue me you cannot use this website!" in the terms of service agreement.

Or "if you're a cop you can't access this ROMs website"

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




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Red posted:

I still can't watch stuff with unmasked Rey Mysterio where he has those stupid horns glued on.

Unmasked Rey Mysterio was already a stupid idea so of course WCW had to double down on it and make it worse.

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




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Like it says a lot that unmasking Rey Mysterio was such a bad idea that even in Mexico where they treat unmasking as a thing you can never take back they were like "well technically it wasn't a real Luchas de apuestas match so yeah you can put the mask back on."

I seriously don't know how often official Lucha Libre commissions have ever done that.

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




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disaster pastor posted:

I'm not the expert (MRT will probably come in behind me and correct me), but even in Mexico, it's not "a thing you can never take back." They try to keep people from putting on a new mask right away, so that the significance of unmasking isn't undermined, but luchadors remask under new gimmicks semi-frequently.

Or look at Silver King. He lost his mask well before WCW, then twenty years later decided "I want to wear my mask again" and just put it back on. After a couple of years, the commission finally told him, "look, if you want to keep the mask, OK, but do something to justify it," and he said, "fine, sometimes I'll call myself 'Silver Kain' instead?" and that seems to have been good enough.

Fair enough, I had completely forgotten about Silver King, and as such had created this mental blind spot where I thought it was "permanent". Or thought like in a Sin Cara/Mistico/Hunico situation they just never publically unmasked/remasked.

Thanks for the info.

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




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Hedgehog Pie posted:

Mean Gene's best trait was that he would get really into it and act outraged when a wrestler did/said something crazy. In WCW, one of my favourite bits of the amazing Ric Flair handcuff and stripping segment (Pornhub deleted the clips) is Mean Gene asking him "What the Hell are you doing???".

That's what a wrestling interviewer should be, something of a straight man but not afraid to lean every now and then.

I like when he threatened to have guys break Sean O'Haire's kneecaps when being hassled by the NBT.

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




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Hedgehog Pie posted:

the whole "He was trained by Diesel!!" bit

Well there's your problem :v:

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




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MassRafTer posted:

Yes. The Lance Storm push started during a Russo mini break and then Terry Taylor or Johnny Ace bet Russo they could get Lance Storm over if they got to book him the way they wanted. But by New Blood Rising Russo was fully booking Storm's push.

Lance constantly having to ask Russo "but why am I dumb?" to try to get him to explain things is a great story.

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




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Tato posted:

I feel like one arm drag and the guy would explode

Just sort of imagining it being like the guy in Videodrome who gets shot and all the gross tumors explode out of him.

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




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Halloween Jack posted:

Even a glimpse of a small portion of that singlet is a crime and should be prosecuted as such. You are disgusting.

I'm still convinced that outfit is a rib that got out of hand.

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




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Defiance Industries posted:

I can't imagine when he WOULD injure someone outside of weapon shots or the bodyslam spot.

Also the infamous Hoganplex '88

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




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Red posted:

Owen liked Ahmed Johnson. I think it's fair to say Owen was just really nice.

Yeah I was going to say it seemed Owen was basically the nicest guy in the business at the time, to the point that when he didn't apologize to Stone Cold for breaking his neck on that botched piledriver, everyone was very baffled by that.

Angry_Ed fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Feb 16, 2021

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




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Red posted:

I think JR talked about this, where he asked Owen to call Steve and apologize and check on him. Owen said he would, but never did - it was pretty clear to JR that he was too ashamed/embarrassed. The longer Owen waited, the more awkward it became; as a result, Steve didn't want to work with him (neither did Shawn, obviously), and Owen got dumped into the midcard, which, well, led to Owen getting into the Blue Blazer gimmick.

Yeah that makes sense, I remember a story somewhere stating that while Owen was kayfabe playing up the fact he was proud of breaking Stone Cold's neck, internally he was beating himself up over it because he'd always been a safe worker and now he'd possibly paralyzed one of his closest friends for life, which probably just magnified how much shame he felt over it, leading to him not apologizing, and so on

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




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That second Goldberg one looks like an unofficial sequel to the Warrior Christmas comic :stonk:

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




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Grip and Flip!

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




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smarxist posted:

gently caress this is so surreal


Or as he's known in the west, Charlie.

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




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gently caress U, NTR Bubba.

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




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"Lethal Weapon" Larry Zybysko

Or maybe just "Lethal Larry"

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Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




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Red posted:

Backlund was presented as an old guy, though. And Lawler was a part-timer.

While true, when Backlund won the title in 1994 he was 45, beating Bret Hart who was 37 and dropping it to Kevin Nash who was 35. World Champions being in their 20s wasn't really a thing until the attitude era it feels like (even Shawn Michaels was 31 when he won the title in 1996). Also today most of the wrestlers aren't hard-partying, heavy drug-using types so their bodies hold up a lot better. 40 years old in the 90s looks a lot different from 40 years old in the 2020s.

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