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Who Killed WCW?
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Giedroyc
Feb 18, 2001

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At the time in 96 I remember thinking WCW had lost out talent wise. I mean they got Hall/Nash and Waltman but in late 95-96 WWF got Austin, Pillman, Mero*, Vader, Dustin Rhodes and Foley all of which were my main reasons to watch WCW in the early 90s. Sadly some got lazy/injured which kind of ruined it a bit but on paper they had so much more potential than what happened.


*People dislike Mero now but before knacking up his knees he was great in 95/96.

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Giedroyc
Feb 18, 2001

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Currently watching Nitro episodes from late 96 since I didn't watch it at the time. Highlight of the current episode was Jeff Jarrett vs Rick Steiner that ended when "sting" walked in only for to be clotheslined and pinned for the victory?!?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kQScaWCpew 4 mins in

Giedroyc
Feb 18, 2001

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Bischoff on Roundtable had nothing on Flair's mad rants.

Giedroyc
Feb 18, 2001

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Suben posted:

A women's division with Madusa, Malia Hosaka, some of the Gaea wrestlers and whoever else would've been spectacular.

Nah they were all lazy, sloppy and given about 5 minutes tops in WCW. Plus Madusa's ridiculous fake tits were the centre of the division and could barely do anything bar jiggle, not that she could do much more in her prime admittedly.

Nitro wise up to the Team Piper episode which is quite... awful. Fake boxing segment lasts forever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWhnuEJWPqk part two is linked

Giedroyc
Feb 18, 2001

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Sting's build up wasn't that long, since they were initially building up Luger (who was insanely over, no really he was) for most of late 96/early 97. Around April they must have realised that they couldn't really do Luger/Sting later that year and gave Lex a small token run of a week that was never mentioned in case it made Sting/Hogan look less special.

Sting hating Luger for not trusting him being a play on nobody trusting Luger bar Sting when he debuted in 95. Of course this was all ignored too.

Lex Luger really is the unlucky Alf of wrestling.

Giedroyc
Feb 18, 2001

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The 1996 lethal lottery defied all possibility of randomness by being the most obviously fixed thing ever.

Animal and Booker T vs Road Warrior Hawk and Lex Luger
The Public Enemy vs Chris Benoit and Kevin Sullivan (feuding)
Rick Steiner and The Booty Man vs Sgt. Craig Pittman and Scott Steiner
VK Wallstreet and Jim Duggan (feuding) vs The Blue Bloods
Dick Slater and Earl Robert Eaton vs Disco Inferno and Alex Wright
Diamond Dallas Page and The Barbarian vs Meng and Hugh Morrus
Fire and Ice vs Big Bubba Rogers and Stevie Ray
Ric Flair and Randy Savage (feuding) vs Arn Anderson and Eddie Guerrero

So 3 usual tag teams put on the same side, 4 tag team partners facing off on opposing teams and at least 3 wacky tag team partners that hate each other.

Up to August 1999 on Nitro it's going by a lot quicker since half the show isn't worth it and can be skimmed. Goldberg just sort of vanishes in the Spring (injured?) so they manage to blow any momentum they had with him as the crowd is so devoid of faces they have to cheer Hulk Hogan. Master P's soldiers are the most unlikable faces ever. Scott Steiner stops doing promos and vanishes a bit but sadly his brother seems to take his spot. Bobby Heenan IS drunk doing commentary in August with Hudson. Harlem Heat reunite making all of Booker's progression in the last 2 years for nothing. I do like the DDP/Bigelow/Kanyon triad though. A 10 minute TV match with Vampiro and ICP (wrestling) vs Prince Iaukea/Norman Smi-lay/Lash Laroux.

Special mention to Randy "Misogynist Man" Savage reinventing himself to be extreme and hip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xftL9WSz6pQ What up mach?

Giedroyc fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Mar 11, 2011

Giedroyc
Feb 18, 2001

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Nitro girl Spice makes the man from the misfits look like Ric Flair. Her finisher (and sole move) the vague shove has been known to destroy all challengers. I've only seen one brutal backstage brawl (2 shoves) and one match vs Madusa (1 shove, in the back) so far but have high hopes.

Giedroyc
Feb 18, 2001

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Nah Spice is the one dressed as Heidi in this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TTUEet93V8

Wow she doubled her offense with a shove and a rather nasty snapmare!

Giedroyc
Feb 18, 2001

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Captain Charisma posted:

If you haven't seen the Bobby Heenan documentary WWE did...well, it's not that great, but it has a segment from the big Observer WCW funny moments thing where Madusa and Heenan act like Nitro cologne smells like poo poo

It skimmed over his 7 years with WCW in less than 7 minutes, the oddest bit about the whole thing was basically how it just assumes Heenan is dead. They keep dragging his wife on to talk about things in the past tense and Bobby himself doesn't give a comment on anything.

Giedroyc
Feb 18, 2001

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Reached 5th June 2000 Nitro and... well it's bollocks. The entire millionaires club vs New red mysterious liquid* feud makes half of an already depleted roster look stupid.

Tony Schiavone loses IQ points by the second "this is a signed verbal commitment match up" doesn't quite top his claim the other week of "th-that that could be ROCKET FUEL" about a petrol tanker. Mark Madden saying he finds a match "erotic" tops the disturbing commentary rankings, he is also trying to make snootchie boochies a catchphrase.

Matches well it has Russo vs Flair Hell in a cell knockoff that ends with MYSTERIOUS LIQUID.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb34HzbvElA

With 4 mins left of the show Nash faces the New Blood in a gauntlet match which really must be seen to be believed. It was in a botchamania because it makes no sense.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HY_intJPQ4

Oh and Eric Bischoff becomes the new hardcore champion pinning Terry Funk and Sting beats World Champ Jeff Jarrett but ahhh they never said it was a title match. Jarrett is a 3 time world champ at this point and I don't think he could beat a nitro girl without 5 run ins and a guitar shot.

*For some reason they can say bitch, poo poo and Steiner can claim he's shagging everything that moves, but they can't say 'blood' in relation to the red liquid that keeps randomly appearing.

Giedroyc
Feb 18, 2001

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Reached Nitro August 2000, Tony Schiavone just doesn't care and honestly looks like he's about 2 Mark "Cheer all heels" Madden lines away from suicide.

Giedroyc
Feb 18, 2001

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I'm sure being a former Pizza Hut manager with 0 wrestling knowledge who threw money around at a time when WCW didn't have much didn't help, hence why Bill Watts came in to cut costs.

Giedroyc
Feb 18, 2001

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I'm sure being a former nondescript corporate person with 0 wrestling knowledge who threw money around at a time when WCW didn't have much didn't help, hence why Bill Watts came in to cut costs.

Fixed ;)

Giedroyc
Feb 18, 2001

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If only Crowbar's wrestling talent or charisma were as big as his nose. He's got a chronic case of Sunny-itis too, which is the uncontrollable urge to gurn and pose to the camera even when you're not supposed to be the centre of attention.

Giedroyc
Feb 18, 2001

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Jimmy is 65 so I seriously doubt it's natural. Also Heenan does kind of look like a ventriloquist's dummy...

Giedroyc
Feb 18, 2001

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Hart/Hall/Nash/Sting/Goldberg/Flair were all injured in late 99 (which left the nWo a concussed Jeff Jarrett and the Harris brothers) and Hogan etc were sulking at home since Russo didn't want to use them so the main event scene was a bit hosed.

The story of Goldberg's 1999-2001 was better. He lost the title in 98, was 'arrested' and cheated out of the rematch when the fingerpoke of doom happened. Then he beat Scott Hall/Nash on PPV before vanishing to film a movie. In the Autumn he came back and messed around with Page before fighting Sid and his millennium man streak at Halloween Havoc then finally ending 1999 by booting Bret Hart into retirement (he still lost the match at Starrcade). When the nWo formed in late 99/early 2000 he fought their car a little too hard and nearly cut off his arm shattering the window. Six months later he came back and turned heel (what a swerve) taking part in some of the dumbest "this is a shoot, son" stuff ever written. In the Autumn he feuded (and lost to) Steiner then began a new streak where he had to win 176 matches in a row or be fired. He didn't and was fired (injured again in reality). Then WCW died.

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Giedroyc
Feb 18, 2001

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I'm just trying to imagine a rowdy group watching Nitro 97 really.

"Quiet down girls, Lee Marshall's doing his road report."
"Lee! Lee! Lee! Lee!"

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