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An FYI to Wacom on Win7/8 users, they released a new driver that finally overrides all of Windows' pen-based input bullshit. No more registry hacks, no more settings voodoo. Just uncheck "Use Windows Ink" in the Wacom control panel and it behaves properly. No more lag, no more controls hanging up for a little bit (e.g. trying to move a window with the pen and it sticks for a bit before actually moving). They also fixed the pen pressure bug that art pen users like myself had.
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If she likes to paint, get her the art pen, which supports rotation.
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Jul 16, 2013 12:53
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Angle is not the same as rotation. The normal grip pens support tilt angle. Art pens also add rotation. Rotation means you can "twirl" the stylus to change the width or other settings. While some brushes might do angle based on your stroke movement, it can't adjust it in the middle of a stroke. The newest cintiq must use the new art pen (Intuos4/5) but the older Cintiqs must use the Intuos3 art pen. Your Cintiq model sheet should give you the compatible part number.
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Jul 17, 2013 03:26
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If you like painting or doing calligraphy where rotating the brush during the middle of the stroke is essential to the process, yes. I'm just throwing out an idea; I have the art pen and find it very useful, but I like to do calligraphy and hand lettering.
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Jul 17, 2013 14:11
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You can turn off Windows Ink in the tablet driver settings thanks to the most recent driver release, which fixes the issues. This is a problem with some apps that depend on Ink (Sketchbook Pro), but otherwise makes everything behave normally.
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Mar 12, 2014 22:42
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The newly released Wacom driver that came out a few days ago fixes a bug where multimonitor setups wouldn't remember which monitor you had specified for the tablet. This was driving me crazy.
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I'm thinking about finally moving up to a Cintiq. All I've ever used is Wacom Intuos tablets. I have an older secondary display that needs retiring (LaCie tube monitor) and I actually have the budget to blow on a 13 inch model. It's been out for a while now, how are people living with it? How's the screen quality in terms of color accuracy? How is living with a Cintiq in general?
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Aug 26, 2014 14:38
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Picked up a used DTK2100 Cintiq 21UX today (intuos 4 pen compatible). Thing looks spotless, and I'm excited to use it to do real work.
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So last week I picked up an excellent condition used Cintiq 21ux mark 2 (the DTK model) for a decent price (about $1100). I've been using Wacoms of various types for the past fifteen years, between Graphires and Intuos. I'm not exactly the world's best artist and drawer but I needed to replace my ancient LaCie tube monitor and if I was going to spend $700+ on a new secondary display, I thought at least looking into Cintiqs would be worthwhile. Everything that people say about Cintiqs is true, for good and ill. They are big, they are unwieldy (until you put it on an ergonomic desk arm), there is parallax, the surface is just a bit too slick. The display itself is fine for 2010-era tech, even though the black levels are mediocre. I've heard gripes about the brightness but when calibrating it I had no trouble hitting 120 cd/m with plenty of headroom. I've always been fighting against the disconnect that I have when using normal tablets, especially when hand lettering. I've never been able to shake it even though I've used them forever. Working on the Cintiq isn't exactly like working on paper, but it's pretty drat close for me. This particular example came with an Intuos4 Classic pen, since I'm guessing the original grip pen was lost or destroyed. I've never used the classic pens; it's basically the same as the Grip Pen except it's skinnier and more like a pen or pencil in size and thickness. You can't remove the side switch and put on a fatter grip. It seems fine enough. As far as working on it goes, it's a decent experience. I wouldn't have shelled out $2K for one, but at half the price, it's a lot easier for me to justify it, especially when replacing an existing secondary display. The 13 inch model has a high pixel density that without some kind of UI scaling was tough for me to use when I demoed it, not to mention a few other things that put me off of it, like the finicky display connector, the stand, the lack of a touch strip or ring. When comparing to the Cintiq knockoffs, a used model starts making more sense. The Yiynova displays cost $600 for the 19 inch with a mediocre display, and I was hesitant spending $1K for the nice 22 inch IPS panel that inexplicably still uses a VGA cable and has a mediocre analog to digital converter. For that amount of scratch, why not play the used market for the genuine article? Getting a deal on a 21ux DTK-series model seems like a smart move because it's still compatible with the intuos4 era pens, which Wacom is still using. I did discover a pretty weird bug that the Cintiqs with integrated DVI-I cables (that's combined VGA/DVI) have with nvidia cards. There's a driver issue where the display will always default to VGA when plugged into an Nvidia card and can't be switched to DVI. You need the DVI-I to DVI-D adapter to strip out the VGA signal and force DVI, otherwise you'll be stuck with a janky analog picture. Newer Cintiqs don't use DVI-I cables, they use DVI-D, so you won't run into this problem, but I imagine anyone with an Nvidia card looking at used 21UX DTZ or DTK models should be aware of it. Mine didn't have the adapter so I had to get one. Nvidia has known about this bug for years but has never fixed it.
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Sep 5, 2014 16:26
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Make sure to turn off windows ink in the tablet properties and see if that makes a difference?
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Sep 20, 2014 23:34
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In the Wacom driver preferences, you can turn off Windows Ink on a per-app or global basis. This removes the ring, the delays, etc. However, Sketchbook uses Windows Ink for its pressure sensitivity on certain versions of Windows, so you'll have to leave it on for that app.
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Sep 26, 2014 14:49
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Has anyone acquired one of the new 27 inch Cintiqs yet? We're thinking of getting replacement monitors at work and I have the choice of getting either a new Cintiq or a 4K monitor.
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RizieN posted:Personally I say gently caress the 4K and get the cintiq. I saw plenty of 4K at CES, and we have some 4K security cameras that we've been testing, and 4K is kind of stupid right now. Yea it looks good as gently caress from a proper distance, but when there's a shitload of action on screen it doesn't look so good (notice all 4K demos are slow-mo of nature & animals?), apparently you need a better processor to handle lots of changing frames (which is why people buy the 3D 4K TVs even if they don't want 3D). I'd give it time to get better and maybe generate some real content. Unless you have a legitimate need for 4K I'd totally get the Cintiq. But I've never had a cintiq and I'm so anxious waiting for the Companion 2... Note that this was one of the 27 inch 4K monitors that I would use as a retina monitor on a Mac. Also, I'm used to using a 21 inch DTK Cintiq at home, so I'm more concerned with how the parallax is, as well as the color and the expresskeys on a remote instead of on a side. kefkafloyd fucked around with this message at 19:32 on Feb 4, 2015 |
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Feb 4, 2015 19:28
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The best way to get in front of a Wacom person is to go to a large photo show or comic convention. They always show up at NYCC and PhotoPlus expo. The Wacom reps that go to those probably know not to talk to me these days as I've given them an earful about a variety of problems whenever i see them. Thanks for the big post on the 27 inch. As a fellow Cintiq user with an Ergotron (albeit a DTK-2100), I recommend drilling holes and bolting the arm into the desk if possible. Aside from better stability, I found I was able to get it positioned to maximize the range of motion of the arm. It's good to know that the 27 is light enough to use the ergo arms.
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Feb 27, 2015 06:33
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I would suggest looking at an Ergotron sit-stand arm. Frown Town's got one there on their 27HD. You can clamp it on to any desk or table and position the cintiq any way you want and use it standing up or sitting down. I use the regular LX arm on the DTK21 and position it like a drawing board in my lap and I find working on it that way to be quite good.
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Feb 27, 2015 22:26
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neonnoodle posted:I use mine mostly for 2d animation and digital painting, and in that case I want the screen to be tilted slightly away from me like a drafting table or animation desk. One issue I have is that Wacom styluses have these teeny weeny tips that don't really reflect how I use real pencils. When I draw I tend to use the side of the pencil most often, and rarely do I ever use the tip portion. The tilt responsiveness of the drivers is great, but it's still a weird, unnatural grip. The old Inutos 3 era 6D Art pen was really good for this. It had a big fat chisel nib. I really liked it a lot. The current Art Pen is just a standard pen with fatter nibs (or skinny chisel nibs).
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Here's a question. What's the proper way to clean pen grips? The grip on my art pen has gotten grimy from finger oil and such over the years and I have no idea of the best way to clean it since it's rubber. Soap and water?
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Listerine posted:I have an old Intuos 4 tablet that still works fine but I can't find my pen. How can I be sure that a replacement pen will work on my tablet? I've tried swapping pens between the intuos 4 and cintiq 21 at work and they don't work, but this product is advertised as for Intuos4/Cintiq21. There are two models of Cintiq 21UX. One is the Intuos3 model, the DTZ-2100. While the intuos4 compatible model is the DTK-2100. Your Cintiq at work is probably the DTZ, while my Cintiq 21UX is the DTK model and uses the Intuos4 pens. All Intuos4 models and the ones made after it (Intuos5, Intuos Pro, Cintiq DTK-2100, the 22/24/27 inch cintiqs) use the Intuos4 pen tech and all of the pens are compatible.
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May 15, 2015 04:49
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Listerine posted:What about this Intuos pen that they have for sale? I'd much rather buy a 30 dollar pen than shell out 60 bucks. That is for Bamboo / "Intuous Pen & Touch" tablets. They use a different digitizer. It will not work. You want to buy the actual Intuos 4 / pro pens.
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May 15, 2015 15:59
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At least they're finally making the knockoff cintiqs with DVI ports, the image quality on the previous Yiynovas really put me off.
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So long as the port isn't broken you can use whatever cable you want.
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windex posted:I'm kind of expecting them to make a new variant that has those issues fixed, given the discounts, since it seems like they are trying to clear inventory for such an event. But it just came out! I can't see them doing that just yet. quote:Doesn't help that all the art mags in Japan ripped Wacom a new one over the design which was allegedly "what the market wanted" and the market seems to disagree. The biggest complaint simply seems to be that the screen picks up hand grease and smudges trivially. The 27QHD certainly has a better display quality than my 21UX DTK-2100 but it's not particularly special compared to average desktop monitors. Displays keep getting better and not just in the resolution department; backlight tech has been improving significantly and Cintiqs have never had good lighting. Wacom has always lagged on its display sourcing. When you have an iron grip on the market, you can afford to do that. Unfortunately for them, the lesser market digitizer displays are getting better and better. Yes, real professionals will keep using Wacom because they need the workflow features of the drivers, but I see more and more amateurs picking up the knockoff brands and having success. The reductions in weight on the 27 inch model mean you can use an ergonomic arm instead of the 24HD's desk-filling stand, but it's laughable that they expect people to use the little prop legs. I had a hard enough time using the easel stand that came with the DTK-2100; I ditched it quickly for an ergo arm and never looked back. I do not own a 27QHD so I can't speak to its long-term use, but after a friend bought one I decided to demo it to see what I'm missing. I can understand why they went with the expresskey puck but if you have the Cintiq on any kind of stand it becomes worthless very quickly. The magnet to hold it to the bezel is a clever idea but honestly your muscle memory depends on those keys being in the same place every time and I doubt people will be happy with the minor misalignments and having to reposition it. The parallax effect on the digitizer is no better than prior Cintiqs and while the display quality is better Wacom should have just leapfrogged everybody and made a 4K 24 inch Cintiq. These fuckers cost a lot of money to begin with, just accept that they're expensive and make a $3K professional tool. The main gripes I've heard is that the drivers for the Expresskey remote are buggy. quote:I've been meaning to take another look at Cintiqs after the latest replies in this thread. It would be great if Wacom solved their display issues. Using IPS would be an improvement. I'm being patient because they're an input tech company first, display tech company third or fourth. The 27QHD uses an AHVA panel (sourced from AU Optronics) which is an IPS-like implementation without actually being IPS. The panel is similar to those used in this BenQ and other 27 inch monitors. http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/benq_bl2710pt.htm To the average end user, it acts like an IPS. kefkafloyd fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Jul 23, 2015 |
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windex posted:It's an Art Pen (KP-701E-01X, the one with the fatter grip than the pro pen that also uses the giant and/or chisel nibs) I grabbed from my bigger Cintiq since it was handy, no way to even change the names I can see. You can rename pens by double-clicking on it in the Wacom system preferences pane. 
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The name isn't stored in the pen, it's written into the prefs file (references the devices' UUID against the file), so all of that makes sense.
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Depending on what stylus you have, you can get a bonus side switch when you get the Wacom pro accessory kit, along with a bunch of other helpful stuff. It also has replacement grips which you'll probably want to change after dogs chew them up. https://www.wacom.com/en-us/store/kits/pro-accessory-kit
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I would suggest getting the udpated version of the 19 inch Yiynova if that's what you're looking at. http://www.amazon.com/dp/B010TOQDPC/ref=psdc_1292115011_t1_B009QQ7BG0 The one linked earlier only has VGA input, while the V5 has a DVI input. It's basically the same unit, but digital input makes life so much easier. Analog signals bite, especially on LCDs. It's the same exact price so I would pick up the V5. Last time I looked at the not-Cintiq market (~15 months ago) I wound up buying a used Cintiq DTK-2100 21UX instead (21 inch model that uses the Intuos 4 and later styluses). That was when none of the knockoffs had digital inputs. Now, they all do, and I'd have to think a lot more seriously about it. I know people who use the UCLogic based digitizers and really like them. The 22 inch model looks like the price/performance sweet spot compared to a cintiq in terms of display quality. At $899 it's really hard to argue for a used 21/22 inch Cintiq versus a Yiynova at half the price. Also consider saving up some more money to get an ergotron arm to attach it to your desk. Works a heck of a lot better than the easel-type stands. Double Also, if you have an Nvidia graphics card, make sure to get a DVI-D > DVI-D extension cable, since it doesn't play well with the DVI-I cables used in these (and Cintiq) displays. It'll strip out the analog pin connections. kefkafloyd fucked around with this message at 00:26 on Dec 22, 2015 |
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Don't feel bad, I ruined a grip pen by holding it in both hands and stretching my arms out. Basically ripped the pen in two, and all the tiny springs and bits fell out, never to be put together again. Also using them as drumsticks is a bad idea, my buddy ruined a pen doing that. 
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Still using the rare widescreen ratio Intuos 3 at work. Probably gonna turn ten years old next year? I forget when I got it. Wonder when the drivers are officially gonna drop support for it. 
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My boss bought me a 6x11 3 in 2007 and I still use it at work regularly. Didn't know it would be such a rarity. I will say that I always appreciated the build quality of the pre-4 tablets. One feels like a professional's tool, the other feels like they cut costs. I used a 4 for years at home before switching to a cintiq, I think I retired it right before the wobble in the USB ports got really concerning.
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neonnoodle posted:Get a used Intuos3 on eBay. Depending on what operating system you're running this is turning into a gamble as Wacom is starting to drop support for Intuos 3 and similar-era Cintiqs from driver support. It's already dropped from the latest Windows drivers and I expect it to be in the next round of Mac drivers too. If you don't mind buying a soon to be out of support product it's a roll of the dice sticking on older drivers.
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bitmap posted:you know what? gently caress it. I'm buying one tomorrow. Apple has a 14 day return policy, you can always bring it back.
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Aug 21, 2016 19:34
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If Apple wanted to put Wacom out of business they would essentially make their own version of Astropad with native support and no lag. A USB3 connection on an iPad Pro would negate bandwidth problems.
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DrDork posted:A lady friend of mine has an old Intuos3 (6x11" I think) that worked just fine right up to the point where she lost the pen for it. She's hard up for cash and asked me what the best replacement option is, but sadly I know nothing of the mysteries of the graphical tablets. She used it for graphic design for work, and while she can get by without it, she'd rather like having it back again. With that said, are there pen replacement options that aren't simply paying Wacom $80 for a new one? And if we're already in the $100ish range, are there newer tablets that might be worth looking at instead? She has no problem purchasing used/refurb/eBay'ed/etc. You have no options other than buying a new pen. You could try picking up a pen on eBay or elsewhere. The 6x11 is a unicorn, I still use mine at work even though I've moved on to newer things at home. They don't make them like that anymore (in a variety of ways). B&H has them for $70 with free shipping and no sales tax unless you live in New York. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1002080-REG/wacom_zp501ese_cintiq12wx_grip_pen.html For $80-$100 you're looking at a monoprice tablet with a not-Wacom digitizer for something of similar size. They're not bad, but drivers are hit or miss and the pens take batteries. I know people who use them and love them, though. If she is used to using a large-ish Intuos for work she will probably be unhappy with a small-surface tablet.
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My Cintiq 21UX DTK version is still chugging along, but I'm always concerned about it dying. I'm not happy that these new screens are all 16:9 video ratio. Yeah, 4K is nice, but I would prefer a more square-ish screen. Unfortunately, ratios other than lowest common denominator are getting even more rare.
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Koramei posted:You don't use the extra space for references and poo poo? I very rarely draw fullscreen. Height is good for palettes. Means less horizontal scanning and more vertical scanning which is easier to "read." I also like to draw vertically as well as side to side. I'm generally OK with 16:10 panels because they were an expansion side-to-side. You weren't losing pixels when going from a 21 to 24 inch because you went from 1600x1200 to 1920x1200. But since the 4K screens are effectively pixel-doubled 1920x1080 when running in Retina mode, you're losing some effective vertical working space. Admittedly larger panels make it less of a problem (I would have no problem with a 27 inch 5K cintiq) but 16:9 panels are a bit too short for my liking.
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The answer is "it depends." For a continuous tone color image that will be screened, 300 DPI is generally fine. For black-and-white comix with pre-set tones or crosshatching (pure ink, basically), 1200 DPI as a one-bit image is the way to go. For color comics, I tend to work with a linework resolution of 600 DPI (e.g. scan at 2400, clean up, convert to 1-bit, downsample to 600 DPI) because even with screening you can get finer cuts off of the dots, and your black-only linework will be less aliased.
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Koramei posted:Which model did you guys get? [url= https://www.amazon.com/LX-Desk-Mount-LCD-Arm/dp/B00358RIRC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1494340173&sr=8-1&keywords=ergotron+lx+arm]this one? [/url] I use this exact arm on a Cintiq 21UX (fourth generation). It works well, though maybe having the tall post version would have been better for my particular desk setup. The larger cintiqs are thinner and lighter than the 21UX, so it should still work for those. I position it so it fits the display right in my lap, and it works well. You will need to spend some time adjusting the tension to taste.
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Kortel posted:Any recommendations for a color calibrator? Starting to realize just how bad the default settings for a cintiq is. The i1 Display Pro.
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Neon Noodle posted:Will a calibrator even work with the gamut capabilities of the Cintiq? Yes. You have to tell it what gamut you want to hit (older cintiqs sRGB, newer ones Adobe RGB) and what white point, etc. but it will get it dialed in as best as it can. Calibrating is about making sure your brightness/contrast/RGB sliders are set correctly for reference luminances and white/black points, then generating an ICC profile so the system can translate colors as best as it can. Some things are better than other but a calibrator won't suddenly make the display look more colorful, it'll just make it look more "correct" within its limitations.
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I use the DTK version of the 21 (uses Intuos4 pens) and it works fine, albeit the color is not as good as the latest and greatest. I got it for cheap and have no intention of replacing it until it dies. If it's a DTZ (intuos3 pens) I would skip it.
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