Baseball Sims! (Baseball Mogul and OOTP)

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Harlock: Jan 15, 2006; Tap "A" to drink!!!

I love Baseball Mogul.

And probably my favorite:

Second best winning percentage all time. Never lost more than 10 games a season. He also is the all-time leader in GB%.

# ¿ Aug 24, 2010 07:19

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# ¿ May 7, 2024 19:13

Harlock: Jan 15, 2006; Tap "A" to drink!!!

Hi, my name is Harlock and I run the Oakland A's in Toona's OOTP11 league (which you should totally join if you're interested). I operate them with a low payroll in mind (not that I need to) and turn over my bullpen pretty much every year/other year. I have yet to give a player over 10m (per year) in the 7 seasons since I took over. This presents a bit of a problem because my ace SP is hitting Free Agency:

http://www.toonathecat.net/scmlb/news/html/players/player_22798.html

2 CY Youngs and a Perfect Game under his belt while playing for my A's in addtion to one elite postseason where we reached Game 6 of he ALCS. He also had a string of 19 starts with either a win or no decision, I think it was 14 wins. I wish this would be the real Matusz because he's brought me so much success.

OOTP experts, do I resign him for a 5 year deal at 13m/y at the age of 31? Most players die around 34, and his ratings have been in flux from all 8's to 7's depending on the sims.

Oh and here's some pretty crazy splits on players that I drafted:

http://www.toonathecat.net/scmlb/news/html/players/player_26394.html (former Montero level catcher - 28% of runners thrown out)
http://www.toonathecat.net/scmlb/news/html/players/player_27396.html

# ¿ Jan 18, 2012 21:32

Harlock: Jan 15, 2006; Tap "A" to drink!!!

This is why I maintain a full minor league system:

http://www.toonathecat.net/scmlb/news/html/teams/team_298.html

code:

Team Batting Stats & Rankings
Batting Average	        .310 - 1st in NWL
On-Base Percentage	.468 - 1st in NWL
Slugging Percentage	.577 - 1st in NWL
On-Base + Slugging	1.045 - 1st in NWL
Runs Scored	        1467 - 1st in NWL
Hits	                1514 - 1st in NWL
Extra-Base Hits	        619 - 1st in NWL
Home Runs	        329 - 1st in NWL
Bases-On-Balls	        1410 - 1st in NWL
Strikeouts	        970 - 1st in NWL
Stolen Bases	        94 - 4th in NWL

# ¿ Feb 2, 2012 17:46

Harlock: Jan 15, 2006; Tap "A" to drink!!!

Tavarin posted:

Dominating Rookie Ball is boring, it's all about dominating every league. http://www.toonathecat.net/scmlb/news/html/teams/team_38.html

I do a great job as virtual Billy Beane.

code:

Minor League System
Sacramento River Cats (AAA)
92-52, .639, - GB
Midland Rock Hounds (AA)
77-63, .550, 9� GB
Stockton Ports (A)
93-47, .664, - GB
Vancouver Canadians (R)
125-15, .893, - GB

Goddamn AA.

# ¿ Feb 2, 2012 18:55

Harlock: Jan 15, 2006; Tap "A" to drink!!!

Will our team finally win the World Series? :ohdear:

http://www.rujasu.net/scmlb/news/html/teams/team_50.html

code:

Managing History
Year	League	Team	G	W	L	WPct	Finish	Post-Season Wins
2011	ML	Oakland	32	16	16	.500	3rd	-
2012	ML	Oakland	162	82	80	.506	2nd	-
2013	ML	Oakland	162	88	74	.543	2nd	-
2014	ML	Oakland	162	84	78	.519	2nd	-
2015	ML	Oakland	162	93	69	.574	1st	Lost ALCS
2016	ML	Oakland	162	95	67	.586	2nd	Lost ALCS
2017	ML	Oakland	162	78	84	.481	4th	-
2018	ML	Oakland	162	99	63	.611	2nd	Lost ALDS
2019	ML	Oakland	162	98	64	.605	1st	-

# ¿ Jun 6, 2012 18:51

Harlock: Jan 15, 2006; Tap "A" to drink!!!

You deserved to lose for beating me twice :mad:

# ¿ Jun 6, 2012 20:56

Harlock: Jan 15, 2006; Tap "A" to drink!!!

Retail Slave posted:

I've never once played in any sort of OOTP league. How demanding are they, time-wise? And how difficult are they to maintain and join?

They aren't really very demanding. It's all a matter of how much time and effort you want to put into it. The leagues I've been in simulated a total of 3 times a week, usually every other day. Each sim was only a 7 day affair, meaning you never really needed to make sweeping changes unless something drastic happened or someone was sucking it up. You could conceivably download a file and make changes within 10-20 minutes every couple of days.

Obviously all leagues are different, but I found that was a good pace. You may need to pay more attention during the draft (if your league does a live draft) and during free agency, but it never really is a time sink. Unless you're like me and meticulously scout players, their advanced statistics, and the general makeup of the league. I enjoy pouring over our stat sheets to either find diamond in the rough free agents or to smartly spend my money. I've been in the bottom 10 for payroll my entire career in the above mentioned league, but always one of the better teams. There's a guy who made 1 or 2 updates all season and his team still won 90 some games.

It's all a matter of personal preference.

# ¿ Jun 7, 2012 18:48

Harlock: Jan 15, 2006; Tap "A" to drink!!!

For relief pitchers, I try to focus on K/9, which means how many people they'll strike out per nine innings. Other than that, I suppose it all depends on how my team is set up. I try to get guys with a high groundball percentage if I have good infielders, and guys with low groundball percentage if I have great outfielders. I'm not sure if this stat makes any difference, but I've made that choice in my head.

Setup pitchers are usually used in the 7th/8th inning before the closer. Middle relief can pitch sort of anywhere from the 1st to the 9th. They usually pitch 5-7 depending on when your pitcher gets knocked out.

# ¿ Jun 11, 2012 17:42

Harlock: Jan 15, 2006; Tap "A" to drink!!!

Roster construction will obviously differ depending on what league you're in and how you want to build your team. If you want to platoon players (i.e. only start them against the handedness they're good against), you might need to carry more people at a certain position. Typically, I think a roster of:

code:

C				SP
1B				SP
2B				SP
3B				SP
SS				SP
OF				SP/MR (long relief)
OF				MR
OF				MR
C				MR
IF				SU
IF				SU
OF				CL
OF
------------------------------------
13                              12

Is a typical team structure. I've played whole seasons with players rarely getting a day off, and whole seasons with players getting a rest every 4 day. I typically just set it to replace starter "when tired" and don't set a certain number of days. That lets your starters get as much playing time as possible. As for backups and bench players, it all depends on what you want to do. Do you need more pinch runners to steal bases? Defensive replacements? Platoon players? If you play with a DH, you'll obviously have a shorter bench too. So maybe you won't need that sixth SP/MR.

Harlock fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Jun 12, 2012

# ¿ Jun 12, 2012 17:50

Harlock: Jan 15, 2006; Tap "A" to drink!!!

gradenko_2000 posted:

When considering a batter's handed-ness versus a pitcher, should I be looking for the same hand as the pitcher, or the opposite hand, or is that something that only the stats would reveal?

Opposite hand usually yields a better result, but since OOTP is such a numbers driven game, you can see how good someone is against handedness.

Take a look at this guy on my team:
http://www.rujasu.net/scmlb/news/html/players/player_26394.html

His splits for R/L are pretty drastic. He just gets swallowed up by LHP. I'd almost never put him in a vs LHP lineup.

# ¿ Jun 14, 2012 20:36

Harlock: Jan 15, 2006; Tap "A" to drink!!!

Getting to 300 wins is really loving hard. I had to switch to a 4 man rotation when the guy turned 35 to even give him a chance.

# ¿ Aug 25, 2012 23:31

Harlock: Jan 15, 2006; Tap "A" to drink!!!

Tavarin posted:

He sure limped to the finish line. How many starts did he have left in 2030 when he finally got to 300?

He had 4 starts left when he hit 300. He retired the minute the playoffs ended, so glad he got it.

# ¿ Aug 25, 2012 23:36

Harlock: Jan 15, 2006; Tap "A" to drink!!!

He won the Cy Young 7 times:

2016
2018
2019
2022
2024
2025
2026

# ¿ Aug 26, 2012 01:54

Harlock: Jan 15, 2006; Tap "A" to drink!!!

Veterans really get a raw deal in OOTP13. Even if I set the AI to favor veterans, there's always a decent crop of players who are above average or even elite on the free agent market. Short of manually signing them to random teams, it's a bummer to always see good players languish.

On the other side of things, I wish I could set an age where people absolutely won't retire before. Cliff Lee was a 9/9/8 pitcher and retired at age 37, of course I didn't really notice until 2-3 years after he retired and felt it would be dumb to take him out of retirement then.

# ¿ Oct 11, 2012 19:02

Harlock: Jan 15, 2006; Tap "A" to drink!!!

Pretty sure we have plenty of openings in the SCMLB, I think you were a member at one point.

http://simcentral.net/forums/forumdisplay.php/245-SimCentral-MLB

We just switched over to OOTP13 last offseason. We're one sim away from Free Agency, so great time to get in.

Harlock fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Oct 31, 2012

# ¿ Oct 31, 2012 20:58

Harlock: Jan 15, 2006; Tap "A" to drink!!!

In OOTP11/13 I had a Third Baseman's defensive skills erode so badly he went from an 7 to a 0 in the position after his age 32 season. It was awful.

http://www.rujasu.net/scmlb/news/html/players/player_32771.html

I really hope OOTP14 fixes draft classes/amateur players. The automatically generated draft classes are so bad. I think there's some stuff in the changes for 14 that should help fix this with feeder leagues/international/etc.

# ¿ Feb 14, 2013 16:18

Harlock: Jan 15, 2006; Tap "A" to drink!!!

I was just about to ask if anyone has tooled around in it yet. I usually wait for the All Star Break, but all of the new features look great.

# ¿ Apr 12, 2013 22:32

Harlock: Jan 15, 2006; Tap "A" to drink!!!

OOTP has some neat new additions. You can now set your bullpen up with roles and when each pitcher should be used. I think the roles are: Middle Relief, Long Relief, Setup, Closer, Specialist. And then you can identify even further with 'Use after 6th/7th/8th inning' or 'Lefty/Righty specialist'

On the offense side of things, you can also set priority for pinch hitters/pinch runners. It's worked out so far in the time I've simulated.

One thing I'm still unsure about is the new 'talent generation system.' Draft classes still seem to be on the poor side, while the inclusion of International League FAs/IFAs generate really poor talent.

# ¿ Apr 17, 2013 16:44

Harlock: Jan 15, 2006; Tap "A" to drink!!!

If you want a 3 year old version, OOTP11 is on sale for 99 cents.

http://www.gamersgate.com/DD-OPB11/out-of-the-park-baseball-11-pc

The league I participated in used it for many years until we just switched to 13. I thought it worked well.

# ¿ Apr 22, 2013 22:15

Harlock: Jan 15, 2006; Tap "A" to drink!!!

I signed Brian Wilson to a contract to a 2 year deal and it played out just fine in the end of year one. During Spring Training in year 2, I got a "Brian Wilson is in the best shape of his life" news event. The development report that came out showed that he had a stat boost which accompanied it. He basically got bumped another level up in Stuff/Movement/Control and even added some MPH to his fastball. It was really neat/awesome.

Another event email I got was that Buck Showalter opened his own brewery called Buck's Beer or something goofy like that. It made me laugh.

As an aside, I won the World Series in my second year with the Astros and got the "Moneyball" achievement, which I guess means winning the World Series with the lowest payroll. We rode Lucas Harrell's 3/4/7 (out of 10) stat line to a 5.6 WAR in the regular season, and he threw 3 CG (1 SHO) in the post season. This year is really weird when it comes to ratings. People with 5-6s (out of 10) seem to perform better than they did in the past when you consider that to be league average talent. Bryce Harper also hits 34 home runs before the All Star Break as a 10 power.

Harlock fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Apr 23, 2013

# ¿ Apr 23, 2013 20:46

Harlock: Jan 15, 2006; Tap "A" to drink!!!

I think people on the OOTP boards have researched it a bunch, you can read one related thread here.

I usually strive to get guys who have a high work ethic/high intelligence. They seem to pan out more as prospects and have room for growth. This may just be a bias though.

# ¿ Apr 24, 2013 22:29

Harlock: Jan 15, 2006; Tap "A" to drink!!!

To anyone who wants to join an online OOTP 14 league, we got spots! This league has been going on since 2010 and we are currently in our 13th season! It doesn't take much effort on your part, just own OOTP14 and do an export 3 times a week. Usually Tuesday/Thursday/Sunday. Put as much or as little effort in as you like! Inquire within:

http://simcentral.net/forums/forumdisplay.php/245-SimCentral-MLB

If you have any questions about the league, IcePhoenix, Tadashi, and I are all members in it. There may be more SA regulars, but the names escape me.

# ¿ Oct 22, 2013 03:16

Harlock: Jan 15, 2006; Tap "A" to drink!!!

Boo for leaving the league. Boo on you.

# ¿ Oct 22, 2013 15:16

Harlock: Jan 15, 2006; Tap "A" to drink!!!

Being 0-6 in the ALCS over 12 years is brutal enough for any man. I truly am following in the Billy Beane spirit.

I am the winningest manager in the history of the league though :smug:

. Regular season champion.

# ¿ Oct 22, 2013 17:04

Harlock: Jan 15, 2006; Tap "A" to drink!!!

Rincewind posted:

How newbie friendly is this? Doing an online league sounds like a lot pf fun, but I've owned OOTP for like two days so even though I know the UI and such I'm not exactly a startegic baseball mastermind.

Nobody will really attack you with wild trade offers for your best players, we all try to be fair. If you ever need help with something there's plenty of us to bounce ideas off of and stuff. Personally, I never touch any of the manager sliders like for close/late situations stuff like that. That's going too deep. I just set my rotations and lineups really. The big thing is learning FA markets and junk like that - which can get pretty crazy.

# ¿ Oct 23, 2013 21:49

Harlock: Jan 15, 2006; Tap "A" to drink!!!

Rincewind posted:

Fake Edit: Also, hey, what the hell, I need some baseball to keep me going through the real off-season, and even though I'm still pretty terrible at OOTP I think I'll join the SCMLB after all! I'll just make sure to pick a team I don't really care about in the real world so I don't feel too awful if I run it into the ground or something. My username over there is Rincewind, please tell them to approve me!

Will do.

Regnevelc posted:

That division tho

Were you still interested in the SCMLB too? We're gearing up to move forward with the offseason, but are pausing for new owners.

# ¿ Nov 1, 2013 17:40

Harlock: Jan 15, 2006; Tap "A" to drink!!!

I really really needed a front line starter and I never splurged in FA. Norris ended it up winning me the World Series in game 7, so totally worth it.

# ¿ Dec 9, 2013 04:23

Harlock: Jan 15, 2006; Tap "A" to drink!!!

Screen Door Slams posted:

I'm doing my last game of OOTP14, and I think this might be the most unexpected thing I've ever seen in an OOTP news story.

Someone on Twitter posted a player cleaning his gun and shot himself. The stories are getting really dark.

I can't wait to play 15, since I've exhausted 14.

# ¿ Apr 21, 2014 18:06

Harlock: Jan 15, 2006; Tap "A" to drink!!!

Did you guys find good photo/logo packs on the forums? Seems harder.

# ¿ Apr 22, 2014 02:25

Harlock: Jan 15, 2006; Tap "A" to drink!!!

I forgot it was a thing, and that worked perfectly. I made the mistake of using every Major League, now it takes forever to sim games.

# ¿ Apr 22, 2014 23:33

Harlock: Jan 15, 2006; Tap "A" to drink!!!

How do you guys compensate for seemingly random talent change with the default settings? I turn down batter/pitcher rating decline from 1 to something like .70-.80, which seems to be okay in stabilizing their stats and whatnot. I play with no scout/no coaching so it should be real values all the time. Jose Abreu in his first MLB season hit 38 HR/120 RBI, with a .280/.340/.600 slash line. His ratings pre-2014 (scale 1-10) were like 7/7/9/5/4. At the end of the season, they ended up being 6/6/7/5/3. Shouldn't his good performance have stabilized his ratings or was he hit by the ratings randomness stick?

How do you guys feel about stats dictating ratings in the options? (Isn't there an option for that to recalc based off real stats?)

How do you get the most accurate ratings based off stats/least amount of randomness. I like random talent changes for prospects, but can be somewhat annoying with ML guys. I've noticed this a lot more since OOTP11. Young players have a hard time remaining stable over 3-5 years. The talent randomness seems to hit younger players first.

# ¿ Apr 29, 2014 16:59

Harlock: Jan 15, 2006; Tap "A" to drink!!!

I have so many OOTP games, I don't know where to start that question. Usually I play as my favorite team the first time for 5-10 seasons then start a new league. At that time I pick terrible teams and abuse the trade AI to make them better. It mostly works.

Only one time have I done the same franchise for 30~ years. I don't know what happened with my OOTP settings, but I (and the league) had great draft classes and rookies who actually developed and got better. This was with OOTP13? I believe. Nowadays, the ratings seem like they fluctuate so much it's hard to actually evaluate players. Guy is a 26 year old 4 star LF who has a .300/.400/.500 season and then somehow the next season he's 2 1/2 stars at age 27 with the same ratings who now hits .240/.330/.375

Probably some settings I have to play with, but have been finding that OOTP feels less geared towards long term plays versus quick 1-5 season bursts.

# ¿ Jul 12, 2014 16:38

Harlock: Jan 15, 2006; Tap "A" to drink!!!

I always have to end up playing with the financials before starting because 3-4 years in and you have 50m contracts. This was in OOTP 14 probably

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# ¿ May 7, 2024 19:13

Harlock: Jan 15, 2006; Tap "A" to drink!!!

How are you guys liking OOTP17?

# ¿ Mar 21, 2016 18:22

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