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Virtual Russian
Sep 15, 2008

MeinPanzer posted:

Having lived in Nottingham for a couple of years before I got back into miniature wargaming, I am not surprised in the slightest. Some of the most blatant racism I've ever witnessed as a white person I encountered there.

One of my colleagues is a crotchety historicals grog who regularly spouts "kids these days"-style monologues, so I was greatly surprised to learn that he is ardently anti-Brexit, pro-Palestinian, etc. They are out there, but they are a minority. It doesn't help that, as I've discovered, the core of many historicals groups around the country tends to be ex-military personnel.

Hey, I'm ex-military and I'm a pinko! We aren't all bad, but yeah, there is a trend.

Warlord does good marketing for sure. Just a week or two back they came to my lgs which is in the absolute middle of nowhere, Canada. They ran demo games all day, even Pike & Shotte!

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Virtual Russian
Sep 15, 2008

Cessna posted:

Same, leftist ex-jarhead.

Was the demo game regular Pike & Shotte or the tiny scale version?

Tiny scale! I'm very tempted by that big box set, but am saving right now and promised my partner no new game systems. They also did BA demos of course, that is what a lot of people around here play.

Sydney Bottocks posted:

Same as you two, I half-joke sometimes that my time in the USAF made me more left-leaning :v:

I went in with very confused right-leaning politics, and then came out very left.

Virtual Russian fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Sep 25, 2023

Virtual Russian
Sep 15, 2008

MeinPanzer posted:

Sorry, didn't mean to imply that all ex-military personnel are right-wingers--I've known a few ardent leftist veterans in my day. It's just that most unfortunately seem to be right-of-centre, in my experience.

Oh shoot, I wasn't really mad or anything, we are less common, but not uncommon. I think the issue is we are way less visible, because when is the news going to interview the troop with an understanding of Marx? Another big part is that a lot of the folks that make it their entire identity joined because they perceive the military to be a bastion of the far-right, and they want in. Where a ton of people join just as a way to escape poverty, those of us that took that path seem to usually follow the same path: get in, get paid, then get out and get educated. Most people I work with are surprised I'm ex-military, where someone that drapes themselves in the right-wing soldier identitarian stuff will never ever stop talking about it.

Virtual Russian
Sep 15, 2008

spectralent posted:

Yeah, I will say I largely know about the more annoying vets at the club because they never shut up about it. Wholly possible there were others there who just didn't feel the need to tell me why every game they lost wouldn't have gone that way in real life.

Also that guy always turns out to be a logistics tech or cook. I definitely say this without very specific people in mind that I used to play with. I worked under a guy for three years that never stopped telling me how I'd never have survived in the army. He was a huge rear end in a top hat and I never wanted to fight with my boss so I never told him I was in. Dude was an electrical tech and told stories like he was an operator.

I wish I had advice for dealing with them, but I think the best move is always to not engage with them at all.

Virtual Russian
Sep 15, 2008

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

Personally I’m on a crusade for french military units called “légère” to stop being translated as “light.”

The connotation is completely different from english. There’s no armaments sacrificed for speed or mobility or anything. The connotation is that they are skilled in forward scouting and skirmishing missions, can move faster and harder than average even in rough terrain, without sacrificing size or firepower like an english “light” unit would. That’s why they’re generally considered elite.

See: the 1 and 2 Mechanized Light Divisions of WW2 crashing into two panzer divisions in the woods of Belgium, and winning.

This rant brought to you by my undying love for the Somua 35, prettiest tank, and french, prettiest language

This was really informative, but that tank looks like someone dressed a Sherman up to look like a Char-B.

Virtual Russian
Sep 15, 2008

Do not buy from Irregular Miniatures. They warn you right there in the title.

I recently threw away my Italian Wars armies I bought from them because I just could not stand to look at them anymore (and I was moving). No amount of paint makes them look good.

Virtual Russian
Sep 15, 2008

I'm yet to play Blucher, but it looks to me to be one of the better representations of Napoleonic warfare. I might just print up cards and force the girlfriend to play a game with me. I was about to say I'm not allowed to buy anything new until we save enough for a house, but I think I've got a kilo or two of Naps from Grumbler Minis and Baccus in a box somewhere.

I have a problem.

Virtual Russian
Sep 15, 2008

Springfield Fatts posted:

That's pretty accurate, including the point that Bucher has an integrated campaign system representing movement between detachments of even larger forces.

I really like the minigame before the game that determines deployment and reserves. I don't know the system well, so I'm not the one to describe it. My understanding is before the game proper, you play a much smaller very fast game that essentially mimics your armies marching towards each other and getting into position before the battle.

Virtual Russian
Sep 15, 2008

lilljonas posted:

I'm also a fan of Lasalle for bigger games of napoleonics. General de Brigade/General d'Armee are also played around my are but I never got around to try it.

I just wanted to mention that aside from Baccus, Adler has traditionally been the second big 6mm napoleonics brand. Generally speaking, Adler is a bit more "heroic scale" and a bit more exaggerated. The plus side though is that their poses are much more animated and interesting. It is most notable for the cavalry, I find Baccus cavalry to look really dull and so I like the mix of Baccus infantry and Adler cavalry.

That said, a few years ago Grumbler Miniatures made a splash by making some very very good looking 6mm napoleonics. Their range is a lot less extensive and I believe them to be more expensive (I haven't compared recently), but they just look great if you want to splurge on a few really nice looking units.

https://www.grumblerminiatures.com/

They do suffer the curse of a small one man operation and I think he was pretty much on the verge of giving up at one time. So a lot of "out of stock" stuff still.

E: cool to hear about the Austerlitz refight, good job on keeping it all together in the centre! :)

Grumbler is amazing quality, absurdly detailed too. They are traditionally sculpted and have beautiful naturalistic poses, leagues ahead of the 3D printed stuff you see. The Old Guard is particularly good.

I think I might have been his second customer based on my invoice number.

Virtual Russian
Sep 15, 2008

Reiters should be less fancy imo, and never have barding. I wouldn't use the two interchangeably. Your Italians should have older style armour, Milanesse looks great for this, plus it is what Don Quixote is usually depicted wearing, so that really sells the outdated look. The Condottieri being quite obsolete by the Italian Wars.

I'm by no means an expert, but I love the period and used to have a Spanish and French army. I don't have good resources, mostly I just looked at art from the period. This is the rough set of rules I developed, it could be very wrong, but is very much in line with popular depictions of the period.

Virtual Russian
Sep 15, 2008

Wow, those look great. I really like your color choices.

Virtual Russian
Sep 15, 2008

I think people always want to do too much with Napoleon. I'd love to watch a nice 90 minute movie just about 13 Vendémiaire. It has everything you need to capture the essence of Napoleon, and the key elements of a good movie, without the grand scale and temporal issues of trying to survey his career.

Virtual Russian fucked around with this message at 16:15 on Dec 29, 2023

Virtual Russian
Sep 15, 2008

alg posted:

These are mine in action



Y'all are killing me here. I'm trying to save for a house.

Virtual Russian
Sep 15, 2008

Count Thrashula posted:

Oh I was just making a joke about the house Virtual Russian is saving up for :)

But to add content - MCMiniatures on Wargaming3d has a HUGE line of 13.5mm/epic scale Napoleonic stuff - https://www.wargaming3d.com/product/small-15mm-w-epic-size-french-line-1812-15/. Pretty much name a country and unit type and he's got it. Great way to expand past the confines of Waterloo.

I'm an artist, so lets say 10mm.

Virtual Russian
Sep 15, 2008

Count Thrashula posted:

The Italian Wars have the best looking units of any conflict ever

:colbert:

For sure

Virtual Russian
Sep 15, 2008

They look great! They really pop.

Virtual Russian
Sep 15, 2008

I don't mind resin minis at 6mm, but I always replace my banners with a metal rod and sculpt a flag. Resin banners always snap.

My advice if you don't have/want a printer (like me) is to find someone, online or in your area, that does a good job and only get stuff from them. I send a guy files and he prints them, they are always perfect and he always ships them in a box with padding. Until you find that person it is a nightmare. I've had people ship me loose half-cured minis in a regular envelop and then they get indignant that I'd want my money back. Some people just have no clue how to print, package, and ship resin minis. I once got a box that was seeping uncured resin.

Virtual Russian
Sep 15, 2008

100% agreed!

This all tracks back to how immature an art digital sculpting is, especially at niche scales. This gets compounded by the fact that anyone can buy a printer and start selling on Etsy/ebay, the barrier to entry is non-existent compared to garage casting. I'll still always prefer castings made from greens, but I do have a lot of prints. They are convenient when things are done right.

Virtual Russian
Sep 15, 2008

I'm going to play Blucher for the first time this coming week. Anything I should be aware of? Any classic beginner mistakes I might not know about? Neither of us have played it before, but we have the rules, cards, and really want to give it a go. I'm going to see if I can't find some batreps on youtube or something like that.

Virtual Russian
Sep 15, 2008

Dirt Worshipper posted:

I did the map for these guys, playing Leipzig with Blucher

https://www.youtube.com/live/fzMUDyPpaNs?si=7CVo7D7iEkTOs5MT

Thanks for this, also great job, that map is gorgeous.

edit: this is perfect, there is a brand new player in the game and they are explaining what will surprise him.

Virtual Russian fucked around with this message at 17:33 on Feb 19, 2024

Virtual Russian
Sep 15, 2008

I did not know that, weird. What is the reason?

Virtual Russian
Sep 15, 2008

Finally got my game of Blucher in!

We did 250pts, Prussians vs French aiming to roughly represent a small to medium sized action in 1806. The Prussians were very infantry heavy, with a bit of horse and no massed batteries (but lots of attached guns). Meanwhile I took the french, with two infantry corps, a guard corp, and a reserve cav corp. The guards were a mistake, I sunk way too many points into them.

We did the Scharnhorst minigame, which was a ton of fun. The Prussians concentrated early and forced a battle on day 2, leaving me badly out of position and scrambling to get my corps to the field. I only just managed to get everything at least adjacent to the field. Most of my army started in a single table section, while the Prussians held most of the table to start. I managed to break out of my section quickly, but got both the Guard and Reserve Cav Corps mauled doing so. Fortunately I got my infantry corps onto the battlefield early in the morning, but the damage was done by then. By the afternoon the sheer number of Prussian infantry units began to really weigh on me, I was generally fighting outnumbered two to one. I lost on morale in the late afternoon when an assault on some exhausted Prussians desperately clinging to a hill went against me badly. We had both been very close to breaking, but the rolls just went against me and that was it. Very fun!

Talking afterwards we both really liked the game, it was very easy to learn. Scharnhorst was the star for us, we normally play Epic40k together, and really liked having a battle with more flavour than just "I set all my guys up in a row in my deployment area". We also suspect we played very aggressively, the game was finished after something like 12 turns. I think we both imported the warhammer "I have 4 turns to finish this game" mindset, but could have been more cautious and maneuvered more carefully. I certainly should have waited for more reinforcements before I started pushing.

Something we found odd was that prepared infantry seem to only be able to shoot to the front? We house ruled that prepared infantry could volley in 360 degrees, but at a disadvantage. That seemed to work well for us, it didn't make being prepared more attractive, but made sure I couldn't park horse behind him and wait for him to adjust. Maybe we missed something about shooting from prepared infantry?

Our only other issue was that the bonus/disadvantage system might be a touch simple. Not stacking bonuses kept things simple and straightforward, firing was very fast to resolve. However, firing canister rounds into prepared infantry felt underpowered, the exact same result as canister into unprepared. Again, we might have done that wrong, but it seemed like we did it correctly.

Virtual Russian
Sep 15, 2008

Endman posted:

I think if most WW2 wargamers are honest, it really just boils down to the tactical dilemmas of the period being interesting to play out, both from the perspective of the Allies and the Axis. It's not a great moral failing to look at something like the Battle of El Alamein and think "maybe I could do better in Rommel's shoes than he did."

Getting hung up on the moral aesthetics of playing with tiny German tanks on a gaming table is trite and enormously tiresome, and I say that as someone who has absolutely gotten hung up on that exact thing in the past.

If you're not materially advancing the cause of National Socialism, Racism, Fascism or what have you, independent of the games you're playing, then you're in no danger from catching Nazism from handling your little plastic Panzers.

Personally I don't like that most wargames essentially perfectly model all the long debunked myths around the Nazis. Wargames almost without fail present the Germans as honourable warriors with superior fighting ability, courage, tactics, and equipment. This mythologizing is also a necessity, [almost] no one wants to play the Dirlewanger Brigade liquidating Belorussian villages, that would be beyond uncomfortable, but would be much more accurate. Playing out the clean Wehrmacht myth makes playing the Nazis palatable. However, what does that do to the popular understanding of WW2 and the holocaust?

I always go back to Werner Klemperer, the Jewish actor who played Colonel Klink. He insisted he on playing the character as a moron that can never do anything right. I will always prefer that depiction of Nazis, it is also the far more accurate. That doesn't translate well to wargaming though, so I can't offer a solution. I don't think it is fair to handwave away people's concerns around this issue as trite or tiresome. Maybe it is good if playing the Nazis comes with some heavy baggage?

Virtual Russian
Sep 15, 2008

Endman posted:

Now this is actually something worth thinking about. I don't have much time for endless moralising about playing games, but there's absolutely something worth talking about when it comes to designing games.

Flames of War is utterly appalling when it comes to this sort of thing. They even have lovingly written biographies of panzer aces in some of their books. It's ridiculous and quite frankly embarrassing.

Ok yeah, I get where you are coming from now. I think I'm more inclined to agree, I don't think anyone really should worry about what people will think of them for playing germans. It is worth examining how games interact with history and shape our understanding of it.

Virtual Russian
Sep 15, 2008

Springfield Fatts posted:

This got drowned in the Nazi talk but this is why I love playing historicals. Blucher kicks rear end, your game sounded like it rocked, and it was really fun to read.

It was a ton of fun, can't wait to get another game in. I'll try to get some pictures next time.

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Virtual Russian
Sep 15, 2008

iospace posted:

Tiny tanks?



Tiny tanks.

I'm starting to refine my painting process for these, and gods knows how many Shermans I have to paint. Also tiny infantry is tiny.

Looks great! Getting little monochromatic tanks to look right is surprisingly hard.

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