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Yad Rock
Mar 1, 2005

maxnmona posted:

I'm neither a music theory expert nor have I listened to more than a few math rock songs, but how many fans of the genre really know what a time signature is? Like how many just hear a lot of starting and stopping in the guitars of what is basically a 4/4 song and assume that something really complicated is going on time signature wise?

Just because it's in 4/4 doesn't make it "not math rock," it might just be syncopation. On the other hand, Drive Like Jehu had a lot of songs in different time signatures but they're not usually considered math rock.

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Yad Rock
Mar 1, 2005

maxnmona posted:

I have no real idea what math rock is other than that every time I read about it, including in this thread, unusual and multiple time signatures are brought up a lot. So I thought it was weird that the first example in this thread, and a lot of the other examples I've been linked to, don't really do much with time signatures at all.

The OP does not do a very good job at introducing people to the genre!

Yad Rock
Mar 1, 2005

ahotlinetogod posted:

You're welcome! I'm surprised the Plan didn't make it big, especially seeing as they used to tour with Death Cab for Cutie of all bands. Anyway, Emergency & I is generally regarded as their masterpiece, but if you want to explore the rest, their albums chronologically go from DC hardcore to odd pop. Then Travis Morrison did a couple of solo albums which I also enjoy despite being panned by a lot of his fans (due to a 0.0 from pitchfork, I guess).

The Dismemberment Plan was big, as far as indie bands go. But they're not math rock, they're just a band you would like if you like math rock.

Yad Rock
Mar 1, 2005

Prog Doctor posted:

I'd say Math Rock is a type of Prog Rock. Prog can be long and drawn out, or a bunch of shorter songs with a constant theme throughout the album (concept albums), or it can just be songs with crazy time signatures.

Dream Theater, for example, does have many longer songs, but they also have a bunch of shorter ones with odd time signatures.

"Dance of Eternity", for one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dSztjpJNNk (6:14 is only "long" by pop standards)
or perhaps "Ytse Jam":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5OmzUEm504

But yes, the bands you'd tend to label "Math Rock" tend to be more aggressive than, say, Yes, or King Crimson (for the most part), the godfathers of Prog, in general. Though The Power To Believe has some of their "heaviest" stuff on it:

"Level Five"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujVNpbyImzU
"Happy With What You Have To Be Happy With"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8xLsZh2v2g (albeit, the "crazy stuff" is just alternating subdivisions of 5's and 6's to make a phrase of 11/8)
or "Elektrik"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wd3NUrBm_I

Get that Dream Theater poo poo out of this thread! Just because there's no hard and fast definition of math rock doesn't mean you can post your favorite bands in an attempt to shoehorn them into the conversation. Ugh, sheer noobery :dawkins101:

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