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Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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vvv e: Well, I dunno, I guess there's gotta be a way to ask it without doing that? I'll think about it and try again.

Bad Munki fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Dec 30, 2011

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Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

We're all mad here.


Not sure how to ask the question without at least laying some of the situation out there.

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

We're all mad here.


Let's just go with that, then. I really don't think anything is going to come of this anyhow:

Say a guy was at a bar and slapped someone on the rear end on the way out. An argument ensued on the street, nothing physical and no police were involved at the time. If the person on the receiving end decided to press charges, what would they likely be and what would the likely result of those charges be, assuming a first-time offender with absolutely no history?

(If that's still not okay I'll just nuke this as well and move on...thanks either way.)

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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I'm working with a group of people that are trying to form a 501c7 (non-profit social club) in Erie, PA, the Erie Makerspace. We have been active as an unofficial group for a little over a year now, and are trying to incorporate so that we don't have individuals responsible for leases and contracts and the like.

So far, our budget is, in a word, tight. Any advice for finding someone willing to do some pro bono work? We're not involved in any cases, we just want a bit of consulting to make sure we're properly covered and doing all of this in a law-abiding way and have done the things we're legally supposed to do. (We're also going to try to find a tax professional of some sort to help with that side of things, but that's not entirely relevant here, I guess.)

On a related note: where does liability fall in a group like this? How do contracts (such as a building lease or ISP contract) work in this case? Is this 501c7 status (which PA apparently doesn't have a direct equivalent for, it's just a catch-all "non-profit" designation) going to get us the individual insulation we're after? That is, if the makerspace goes under, am I, the treasurer, going to remain financial liable for the aforementioned makerspace contracts? Is the president of the group going to get boned if something goes haywire? How paranoid do we need to be?

Thanks in advance. :)

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

We're all mad here.


Right, it's not a matter of not wanting to pay, we just literally don't have any money for it. We make rent, and that's about it. We've recently started growing, so that's going to help, but in the mean time, we need to get this done sooner rather than later. Otherwise, an individual in the group could front the money, but considering that half the time, people can't even afford to make their dues on time, I don't see that happening. I'd like it if we had a for-pay relationship with a lawyer, that we could handle all our legal matters through in a more normal fashion, but at this point in the group's development, we really just don't have the money. I may end up trying to do a little "let's fund a legal consult" drive among the members, if it looks like that's going to be our only realistic option.

How about the liability stuff? That's our biggest motivating factor besides incorporating: to insulate individual members from legal/financial liability. I really have no idea how this stuff works, so I'm just wondering if I should be afraid of putting my name on the paperwork we're submitting to incorporate. And yeah, that's also a question for the aforementioned lawyer, but any general advice on the topic would be much appreciated. :)

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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Not exactly a booming economy in this forgotten corner of the state.

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

We're all mad here.


Wow, he's really bad at it, too, and nobody gives a poo poo about his self-appointment. Guy should be given a citation for jaywalking.

e: Wait this isn't the youtube thread, what is going on here, I feel so lost :silent:

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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What Fun posted:

e: She doesn't have a pay stub, she hasn't been paid yet. It's been just about a month.

Okay, this right here caught my eye. It's been "just about a month." For what it's worth, I work for a university (different state than you) and that first paycheck takes a good long while to show up, because they're basically a pay period behind. So here's a timeline:

Day 1: Hired, start working
Day 14: Payday 1! But not for you, because: Turn in timesheet 1.
Day 28: Payday 2! Turn in Timesheet 2, receive money for Timesheet 1.
Day 42: Payday 3! Turn in Timesheet 3, receive money for Timesheet 2.
...
Day 14*n: Payday n! Turn in Timesheet n, receive money for Timesheet n-1.

With that sort of timeline (not uncommon, I think?) you get a paycheck every two weeks, but your first paycheck doesn't show up for nearly a month. Are you sure this isn't the case here?

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

We're all mad here.


If I wanted to hold a little members-only poker tournament for a club I'm in (as-of-yet unincorporated, so just a gathering of friends) as a benefit for our club (say, house takes some percentage, winner takes the rest), am I okay to do so? Like I said, our group (makerspace) is currently unincorporated, and at this point, I honestly don't know if we're going to end up as non-profit or LLC or what, so I don't know how much that matters.

Granted, we could just keep it on the down-low and mark the house take as an "anonymous donation," but I want to do my best to keep everything above-board and proper. As I understand it, gambling in general can be a bit sticky. Jurisdiction is Erie County in PA.

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

We're all mad here.


Just to be clear, this wasn't intended to be a regular thing (really just a one-off or a once-in-a-while-off) and a group of like 10 people at most.

Anyhow, as I suspected, it's just not something I think we want to get legally/financially involved with. And from that link up there about "small games of chance," poker isn't even included. Looks like we could do raffles and such, if/when we decide to incorporate as a non-profit/charity. This is why we're strongly considering going with a tried-and-true 501c3 fiscal sponsor for our group that handles other groups exactly like us: we can literally just call them up and say, "Is this okay? Is that okay? What about other thing?" and they'll tell us whether we're allowed to do it, and what hoops we have to jump through with the IRS and other authorities.

So yeah, for now, I'll just leave it alone, thanks. :)

euphronius posted:

Erie is quite close to a Mob Capital so it is possible he may get some unwanted attention.
Rumor has it that the mall was originally mob owned/operated or something, and was intentionally shaped like a gun pointed at the center of Erie. :v:

Bad Munki fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Jun 11, 2013

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

We're all mad here.


euphronius posted:

The PA Department of Revenue is a bigger issue to you than the IRS.

Yeah, I wasn't pretending they don't exist by not mentioning them or anything, I just use "IRS" as "we're making note of all the people that like to know about our money." But yeah, just gonna leave it all alone, I think that'll be for the best. :)

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

We're all mad here.


Well, if we go one route for incorporation, we'll end up under the fiscal sponsorship of a 501c3, which may in the end allow for that sort of thing, but at that point, we'll be able to talk to their legal/financial counsel to make sure everything is on the up and up. In the mean time, we're not incorporated at all, so it's best left alone for now. ;)

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

We're all mad here.


Angry Hippo posted:

"you're full of poo poo and those statements don't mean anything you idiot"

Which part of that statement do you actually take issue with? I don't know poo poo about law or legal processes, but from reading your posts here, it all seems to check out.

[ ] you're full of poo poo
[ ] your statements don't mean anything
[ ] you're an idiot

Just check the boxes as appropriate.

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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Angry Hippo posted:

Do you believe that was conveyed in his post?

Even I got that that was exactly what he was saying.

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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blarzgh posted:

2) Feel free to bother them with any questions you have. This is the service you have been paying them for all these years. Get your money's worth.
Heck, get ALL our money's worth. Every Progressive customer has been paying into you getting that lawyer, that's how insurance works: we all pay so the one poor sap doesn't get screwed.


dos4gw posted:

1) Wear a loving suit.
But I never see anyone wear a suit on Judge Judy and

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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Not what you asked about, but "Resident(s) agree to provide a minimum of ten hours of assistance" over what time period? The life of the contract? Or per week? Might want that in there.

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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ulmont posted:

The process of applying for a patent, dealing with the USPTO, and so on and so forth to have a patent issued is known as "patent prosecution" for reasons that are still unclear to me.

Enforcing your patent is "patent litigation."

Maybe it's actually an ill-conceived portmanteau of "process" and "execution." :v:

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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joat mon posted:

If my client tells me he's going to testify and that he's going to lie? That's a problem. "Then you're not testifying" has always worked for me, but there are a couple more steps if he insists.

Like what? Just curious.

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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EAT THE EGGS RICOLA posted:

I guess I'd consider one-upping him and replying telling him that I only consent to a trial in an Admirality Court.

You your person or you the fictitious legal entity? Be sure to mention not establishing joinder. Also, demand a copy of his "berth" certificate while you're at it.

e: Nevermind, I see your username is all caps, so you're obviously referring to the fictitious legal entity.

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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I just want to say that while I know practically nothing useful about law, freemen on the land are one of my top two groups to follow for their crazy antics. The other being bitcoiners, so of course there's like 60% overlap.

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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US credit card companies do that.

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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Lawnie posted:

it's a $215 ticket that I'd seriously like to avoid paying.
You already blew that option, not that serious I guess.

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

We're all mad here.


Well I'm pretty sure they're not allowed to vote in most states, and I think you can only marry them in Kentucky, Tennessee, and maybe Missouri, definitely not in California. Also, ducks are known by the state of California to cause cancer.

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

We're all mad here.


Just send them the following letter:

quote:

Hello,

I am informing you that while I did receive a paycheck today, it did not include payment for all of the wages and monies owed to me.


I am still owed payment for hours not properly calculated (for example, on monday the 8th I was scheduled at 9 am and did report at the scheduled time, although was not clocked in until approximately 9:40am), payment for penalties associated with failure to provide rest periods in accordance with California law, payment for penalties associated with failure to provide or allow inspection of payroll records within 21 days of request, payment of hours performed doing ULearn while not clocked in, and payment of accrued PTO benefits while GM.

Additionally I am requesting a copy of the investigation and results of my previous complaints of illegal discrimination and retaliation. (The conclusion that the investigator, [name redacted] , reached, as I recall, was that no discrimination occurred, although he never interviewed me or got any statements from me, strange as that may sound from someone claiming to have done a thorough investigation)

In addition to the wage claims, I feel I have a very strong case for wrongful termination.



I would be willing to settle any and all disputes arising from my employment with [name redacted] for the very modest sum of [redacted]. I would be willing to sign a non-disclosure agreement as well as a release of liability as terms to the settlement.


It seems my previous correspondence has been ignored. I request a timely response to this matter. Please furnish a response by e-mail or letter by Tuesday, July 23rd, 2013.

Should you fail to do so I will file a wage claim, initiate complaints with the Equal Opportunity Employment Commission and California Department of Industrial Relations, and I will be seeking action in Civil Court. I also believe that I may have not been the only one affected by these illegal actions and will be seeking class action status where appropriate.


I urge you to let common sense prevail and quickly settle these matters.


Angry Hippo

don't do this

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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FrozenVent posted:

Something about being smug and everyone but him being wrong?

Did he mention "class action where appropriate?" :allears:

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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In all fairness, though, "clueless stubborn idiots on the internet" would probably be the biggest class ever.

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

We're all mad here.


Most counties have an assessor's site of some sort, many of them have "nice" GIS interfaces, others you can just look up a property by address, parcel number, etc. Depending on the county (I assume) you may be able to find more or less information about a property. I think you can count on being able to find who owns a property and what amount it was sold for, throughout its history. Mind you, it may take a month or so for a property to be updated. I think that's most likely to be as accurate as you can hope for. It's generally tied into the county's database(s), so there's no reason it should be horribly wrong information.

Here's the GIS portal for LA County, I believe: http://assessor.lacounty.gov/extranet/Datamaps/Pais.aspx

e: Click accept, then enter an address or use the +/-/hand tools to move around the map to find the parcel you want. Once you've located it, click the "i" (info) button and select the parcel in question. All the information you might want should appear on the right. Happy hunting!

ee: I've always enjoyed looking up landlords/neighbors/previous owners on these things, it's like the most benign stalking.

Bad Munki fucked around with this message at 01:20 on Jul 30, 2013

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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Erie County, PA, specifically Harborcreek.

Pretty much this whole region you're allowed to shoot, even right in the middle of residential neighborhoods, whatever. The only places you can't shoot are near the couple schools and, ironically, out over the lake where you can actually see what you're shooting at for a few miles down range. But yeah, totally allowed to shoot in your back yard, provided you follow some basic rules (No shooting at game. No shooting at live trees. A couple other rules relating to due care and such.)

So hypothetically, say one house in a neighborhood had some residents that liked to go out and shoot once in a while. Not often, but now and then. And one night, they're really going at it, three or four of them shooting rifles. They're at the very back of their yard, shooting into the forest. They don't own the forest, it's privately owned by someone else, and it's about ten acres (although only a few hundred feet across in the direction they were shooting) with the owner living at the far corner, so he probably doesn't even know it's being used like this. Anyhow, say this is making everyone in the neighborhood really uncomfortable, cops actually get called and a couple units come out to check on things, everything checks out as best it can, etc.

Of course, the hypothetical neighborhood in general still doesn't want this going on, there are lots of families with small children, etc., so what would be involved in getting this residential area designated as a no-shooting zone? Is it even plausible?

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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Cool, that's actually better than I expected. Based on the reactions of the neighbors and the number of families with kids in the neighborhood, I'm sort of optimistic we could make something happen.

It's sort of a weird position for me, normally I err on the side of less regulation when it comes to guns and the like, but that stance is also based on coming from an area where there's a lot more open, unowned space (Alaska) so this sort of lack of common sense (shooting off your rifles in your <1/2 acre yard in the middle of a residential neighborhood) tends to cause problems less often.

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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Cross-posting this from the tax thread, thought maybe some of you types could help with a bit of translation. We're incorporating as a non-profit. At the state level, there's a form:

quote:

6. For Nonprofit Corporation Only:

(Strike out of inapplicable): The incorporators constitute a majority of the members of the committee authorized to incorporate: ___________ by the requisite vote required by the organic law of the association for the amendment of such organic law.

What the heck does that even mean, and what on earth is supposed to go in that blank? :confused:

Here's the entire form if it helps.

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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On that note, I'm super bummed my cat-like reflexes and impeccable driving skill avoided a minor collision the other day. Almost got backed into by a 100% deaf hundred year old guy, he would have taken out my fender and one of the side panels on my truck. I'd already pulled out of my parking spot into the lane, just hadn't straightened out yet, and he started backing out right into me. Couldn't hear me laying on my horn or the 3 people standing there shouting at him to stop. I managed to duck back into the spot a little bit and he missed me by a couple inches. I actually had to get out to see if he'd bumped me or not. He never even realized. We're about to sell my truck and replace it with something else, too, the timing would have been perfect.

I also made bank on a car once: old ford escort, it was parked in the lot at the dog park and some guy backed right into the front corner with his big ol' truck. His fender was high enough to go right over mine so it crunched the headlight in and hosed up a bunch of framework inside, jimmied the hood crooked, messed up multiple panels, etc. Insure said they'd pay whatever to have a place fix it (somehow, it wasn't totaled) or they'd give me a check and I could sort it myself. Well, I didn't care so much about the car being pretty, and the check was a good $400 more than I'd paid for the car myself, so I did that, and got a friend to help me fix up the car "good enough." Still passed inspections and all that so I guess it was fine. I later sold the car to that same friend for another $800, so the car ended up buying several years worth of insurance for itself. :D

If only I hadn't dodged with the truck the other day, though. I'd have been 2-0 then on fortuitous vehicle accidents.

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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What's most likely is that you get endlessly ridiculed for touching the poop, and deservedly so.

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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Of course, to answer the original question, because hell why not, that signature (at least at all the US banks I've ever been to) is only needed when cashing all or part of a deposit. If you write a check to deposit in an account, you don't need a signature on the slip if the name the check is made out to matches the name on the account it's going to and it's all going straight into the account in question. If you want to get part of that check back in cash, though, you'll need to sign the slip, because the way it works is that the cash is deposited wholly into the account and then whatever part you wanted is withdrawn to cash. On a similar note, an entire check can be turned to cash without an account to first deposit it to, you just have to take it to the issuing bank. And of course, if you're depositing cash, you don't have to sign the deposit slip there, either.

You're still a poop-toucher though.

Bad Munki fucked around with this message at 03:12 on Aug 13, 2013

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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euphronius posted:

You can have the title(and the mortgage) changed through a divorce decree usually. At least in my state. Who knows what happens in the People's Republic of California.

You're in PA, right? This state cracks me up. When we bought our house, our loan provider wouldn't give a loan to both me AND my wife because she had medical school loans on her name and wasn't starting work for more than 60 days out. However, if we requested the loan under JUST my name, they were happy as poo poo about it and wanted to give me like half a million bucks. But because PA, by state law I guess, the loan goes to both of us anyhow and she had to sign both that and the deed? So it's all pretty dumb, basically. :v:

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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Cruseydr posted:

What if the mortgage is under water?

Maritime admiralty law, gold-fringed flags, berth certificates, etc.

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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Dogen posted:

What about just mailing the key?

Is your goal to have a successful case in court should something happen, or avoid something happening altogether? Because it sounds like you're working towards the former, but I suspect the latter is the real goal. It doesn't matter if you've got a rock solid legal defense, if a cop pulls you over and sees "felon" and "gun" in the same vehicle, you think he's going to call up the legal team to see if this is okay before detaining your friend? Remember, cops aren't lawyers.

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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areyoucontagious posted:

Ideally I would like to avoid something altogether

Then don't bring weapons he can't be in possession of. It's the only sure bet. :rolldice:

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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Plus, it's a far more exclusive group with that skill, and is inherently more badass.

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

We're all mad here.


What're ya gonna do, sue him? :v:

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Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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internet celebrity posted:

The counter argument I always see makes a point that the fermented substance contains water, alcohol, sugars, proteins, yeast, flavor/aroma compounds, fermentation byproducts, etc. Since the alcoholic spirits remain in the fermented substance after freeze distillation, it hasn't been separated. The outcome of the process is that everything is concentrated which distinguishes it from true distillation.

By that logic it's impossible to distill because no distillation process is perfect and will always have some contaminants from the fermentation. Therefore they weren't separated, your honor :smug:

In reality, the fact remains that you're separating water from the alcohol to make a greater ABV content. The rest of the poo poo that happens to be in there is incidental. But I agree that if you're just doing this at home for a batch of barley wine, it's probably a big ol "who gives a poo poo." If you own a brewpub and want to sell the stuff, though, you'll probably run into trouble.

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