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euphronius posted:It’s a shame Because as I’ve said before I think the current Accord is maybe the best mid market sedan ever made I know it's a perennial Honda thing to go "the last generation was better", but the outside and inside before the refresh were so much better.
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Sab669 posted:I had a '16 Fit with the manual; hated it and sold it in 6 months. All the other cars in that class I’ve driven are even worse chassis-wise  with the notable exception of the Mazda 2. The Nissan Note and Toyota Yaris feel like wet noodles, the Suzuki Swift is much less refined as well. The Honda actually can handle a bit, it’s just saddled with CVTs. When I was living the car share service life I kept borrowing one of the Demio/Mazda 2s just because they were surprisingly comfortable inside, had real automatics, and handled well. The Honda was always next up.
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Mar 29, 2024 03:33
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Sab669 posted:I had a '16 Fit with the manual; hated it and sold it in 6 months. on the flip side, they are pretty popular at autox and put down some very respectable times with just coilers/tires
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harperdc posted:The current Fit generation is really nice (I’ve driven one from a car share service), I’m not sure why they can’t or won’t shift more in Europe. It’s certainly better than the Yaris. No one buys the Yaris either - it's all Yaris Cross these days.
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GD_American posted:I know it's a perennial Honda thing to go "the last generation was better", but the outside and inside before the refresh were so much better. If they put the materials from the last gen into the current gen but kept the same design and layout. It'd be perfect. The only thing I hate about the current Accords is they don't work well for tall folks and I fit in a Camry much better.
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mobby_6kl posted:I don't think they sell the Accord in Europe at all. No idea WTF Honda is doing (or rather not doing). EU's a pretty big market and cars like the Fit, Civic and Accord (RIP) are all in popular segments, not to mention their CUV thingies. I haven't been insde a current-gen Honda but they seem to be very competitive by all accounts so it's really strange. Maybe it's becasue everything is only weird E-CVT hybrid and people hate it? It’s more that Honda isn’t very prominent or visible here (I’m in Switzerland). Besides the Fit/Fit Cross thing, I only see one or two e’s around. I think they just don’t have much of a presence in either the market or people’s minds, and when you’re selling Just A Car, even a nice one, that’s not going to be enough to get people to put in the effort to seek Honda, specifically, out.
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Applebees Appetizer posted:The Accord is nice, but I'd still take an XSE trim V6 Camry over it all day long. I would too, but mostly cos V6. Here, the V6 accord was never really a big thing. Anyway, the Accord peaked with the CL7 Euro R aka TSX  Good lookin car still, great stance, classic 3 box design. I don't really know what Honda is doing these days. Are the North America only platforms decent sellers? Or are they and Acura a drag on resources like I think Infiniti is somewhat for Nissan? (Among their many other problems). CTR seems good but why would I buy say a CRV or HRV over say Toyota? dissss posted:No one buys the Yaris either - it's all Yaris Cross these days. Swear I see more GR Yaris around here than regular Yaris. More CH-R than Yaris Cross too.
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honda makes stupid money in NA and a lot of the platforms are shared with non-EU ROW including China CR-V is 3rd in total sales, Civic is 7th, Accord 11th, HR-V 14th.
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Mar 29, 2024 13:45
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Gucci Loafers posted:If they put the materials from the last gen into the current gen but kept the same design and layout. It'd be perfect. The only thing I hate about the current Accords is they don't work well for tall folks and I fit in a Camry much better. I prefer the layout of the last gen (doesn't hurt that I own one). The cupholders are cavernously deep, and behind the shifter instead of to the right side of it. I also like the A/C button placement and all. I don't love the "half-iPad glued to dash" screen style, but that's hard to avoid from any car the last decade.
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Holy hell is that Yaris Cross ugly.
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mobby_6kl posted:I don't think they sell the Accord in Europe at all. No idea WTF Honda is doing (or rather not doing). EU's a pretty big market and cars like the Fit, Civic and Accord (RIP) are all in popular segments, not to mention their CUV thingies. I haven't been insde a current-gen Honda but they seem to be very competitive by all accounts so it's really strange. Maybe it's becasue everything is only weird E-CVT hybrid and people hate it? Honda current Italian lineup is Jazz, civic, crv, hrv, zrv and preorders for the e:ny1. Accord was always a dead albatross in dealers here, where it costed so much to butt heads with the german sedans with a lot more cachet. I'm not surprised at Honda no longer importing them. The gundam style civic also made them lose a lot of customers since it made the rear seat cramped and the cargo space compromised, along with the design that removed their usual tame grampa clientele(whose cars were wrapped around trees by their nephews).
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Sab669 posted:I had a '16 Fit with the manual; hated it and sold it in 6 months. I too had a '15 with a manual and had the exact opposite thoughts about it. You could merge onto the freeway WFO, shifting at the limiter and not break the law (much). It was one of the best shifting transaxles I've driven in a long time. I traded it in on a BRZ and later I wished I had both cars. To each their own!
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the fit had a cup holder up near the steering wheel and it was peak performance for Large Sonic Cup
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antimatt posted:I too had a '15 with a manual and had the exact opposite thoughts about it. You could merge onto the freeway WFO, shifting at the limiter and not break the law (much). It was one of the best shifting transaxles I've driven in a long time. I get the whole "Slow car fast" thing, the Fiesta ST I had was probably the most fun car I've owned. But idk I still need the suspension to inspire confidence and everything else that you simply don't find on a pure appliance car. Maybe if I swapped out the rubber to some performance tires it wouldn't have been so bad
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BuckyDoneGun posted:Swear I see more GR Yaris around here than regular Yaris. More CH-R than Yaris Cross too. The CH-R has been around for much longer so that's not surprising. I see tonnes of current shape regular Yaris because I live near a hospital and the DHB uses them as fleet cars - my wife says they're like driving a Rolls Royce compared to the Holden Sparks they used to get.
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Sab669 posted:I get the whole "Slow car fast" thing, the Fiesta ST I had was probably the most fun car I've owned. But idk I still need the suspension to inspire confidence and everything else that you simply don't find on a pure appliance car. I turned my Scion xB into a decent handling car just by adding a sway bar in the rear, putting a bigger sway bar and strut bar in the front, and of course good summer tires. Before that it was just meh but I'm pretty happy with it now, almost no body roll and very predictable.
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antimatt posted:I too had a '15 with a manual and had the exact opposite thoughts about it. You could merge onto the freeway WFO, shifting at the limiter and not break the law (much). It was one of the best shifting transaxles I've driven in a long time. Applebees Appetizer posted:I turned my Scion xB into a decent handling car just by adding a sway bar in the rear, putting a bigger sway bar and strut bar in the front, and of course good summer tires.
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I've always thought of the Swift as the fun hatch (the Sport is legit good) whereas the Jazz/Fit is like a mini-minvan.
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Guy I know crammed a K20 into his Fit. I haven’t seen it drive but it’s like Saab 9-3 levels of tight in that engine bay.
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The Fit is the greatest sub compact of all time. Wish mine was a manual though.
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dissss posted:The CH-R has been around for much longer so that's not surprising. Oh for sure. I'm embarassed to say the CH-R has grown on me, esp now I see people dropping them on wheels, I kinda dig the future-Tokyo vibes. No idea if they're any good, just looks. And yeah fleets are where I see the Yaris too. dissss posted:I've always thought of the Swift as the fun hatch (the Sport is legit good) whereas the Jazz/Fit is like a mini-minvan. I thoroughly enjoyed ripping the poo poo out of a Swift Sport, and regular old Fit/Jazz too, they're a decent driver too with incredible interior practicality. Obviously the Spooooooort was better, but I haven't driven the sporty Jazz (RS?) to compare apples with apples. They make (made?) the Freed, which is indeed a 3 row Jazz mini-minivan! 
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BuckyDoneGun posted:Oh for sure. I'm embarassed to say the CH-R has grown on me, esp now I see people dropping them on wheels, I kinda dig the future-Tokyo vibes. No idea if they're any good, just looks. Egads! Is this Mazda 5 sized or smaller?
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Russian Bear posted:Egads! Is this Mazda 5 sized or smaller? Smaller, although the measurements put them closer than I thought, the Freed still feels a class smaller. 2016+ Freed 1.5l - 1.5l hybrid 4cyl Wheelbase 2,740 mm (107.9 in) Length 4,265–4,295 mm (167.9–169.1 in) Width 1,695 mm (66.7 in) Height 1,710–1,735 mm (67.3–68.3 in) Curb weight 1,340–1,420 kg (2,954–3,131 lb) 2010+ Mazda 5 1.8 - 2.5l 4cyl Wheelbase 2,751 mm (108.3 in) Length 4,585 mm (180.5 in) Width 1,750 mm (68.9 in) Height 1,615 mm (63.6 in) Curb weight 1,470–1,568 kg (3,241–3,457 lb)
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dissss posted:I've always thought of the Swift as the fun hatch (the Sport is legit good) whereas the Jazz/Fit is like a mini-minvan. Dr. Lunchables posted:Guy I know crammed a K20 into his Fit. I haven’t seen it drive but it’s like Saab 9-3 levels of tight in that engine bay. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V77gpcS-nmw
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See now if they sold that, I definitely would've kept mine lol
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GD_American posted:I prefer the layout of the last gen (doesn't hurt that I own one). The cupholders are cavernously deep, and behind the shifter instead of to the right side of it. I also like the A/C button placement and all. My knee perfectly hits the ignition button on the earlier model. Being tall sucks. I can't stand the "iPad attached to dash" layout either. Toyota is by far the worst offender, it looks cheap, is cheap, slow and awful gaudy black glossy plastic. Auto manufactures have now gone too displays that are just way too freaking big and bright. 
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Gucci Loafers posted:My knee perfectly hits the ignition button on the earlier model. Being tall sucks. they should repeal the backup camera law and then ban ipad dashes
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Shipon posted:they should repeal the backup camera law and then ban ipad dashes *Monkey paw closes* Now you have zero rear visibility since you won't get bigger rear glass in exchange. Of all bad modern car things, rear backup cameras are not one. You can set up rules to mitigate if not remove the tablets in dash by just enforcing certain features to be physical. Once an adequate numbers of buttons must be there, OEM will go for smaller screens since there won't be room otherwise. SlowBloke fucked around with this message at 12:44 on Mar 31, 2024 |
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Shipon posted:they should repeal the backup camera law and then ban ipad dashes All the children who die in backovers disagree with this.
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We don't care about the ones in front - overs though, raise that hood even higher!
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KakerMix posted:We don't care about the ones in front - overs though, raise that hood even higher! America is like a shark, can only see forward.
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Imagining a future where cars got smaller with plenty of glass again.
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Affluent people don’t walk anywhere except the parking lot.
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The Meat Dimension posted:
Als
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Fair correction.
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Watch your Kia telluride - away https://www.npr.org/2024/04/01/1241954949/kia-recall-telluride-suvs Good reason to engage in the arcane ancient art of manually engaging your parking break.
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KillHour posted:Genesis is apparently doing their own AMG/M thing and calling it "Magma" Genesis Ligma
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Jean-Paul Shartre posted:It’s more that Honda isn’t very prominent or visible here (I’m in Switzerland). Besides the Fit/Fit Cross thing, I only see one or two e’s around. I think they just don’t have much of a presence in either the market or people’s minds, and when you’re selling Just A Car, even a nice one, that’s not going to be enough to get people to put in the effort to seek Honda, specifically, out. I remember seeing/hearing a ton of Honda CR-V commercials around, uhhhh, 10-15 years ago in Finland, but they seem to be all gone now. Still see plenty old'ish Civics on the road, though.
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Shipon posted:they should repeal the backup camera law and then ban ipad dashes just ban glossy black plastic or lcds with a bezel from 2002
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So many new car interiors have piano black plastic that instantly get scratched the second something harder than a nerf ball touches it. What the hell is this kind of plastic that it's so goddamn delicate?
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