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mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
The new Suzuki Swift video's been up for 11 days but I haven't seen it come up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tH0g-cYz7A

Comes with a manual and N/A three-banger. 1.2l, 83 hp
:getin:

E: VW ID6.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L58V0GT7knE

LOl they still have the idiotic two window switches
And touchscreen for adjusting air vent direction

mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Feb 5, 2024

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mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:

Only if you are as ridiculously out of shape as Clarkson is. Hammond can easily crash a few more cars still.

Edit : geez he is only 63? Looks loving terrible.but on the plus while looking that up I learnt he punched Piers Morgan hard a few years ago
I just watched Clarkson's Farm and I think he was like 58-59 then when they were filming, and he looked like poo poo there. My dad is a few years older than him and bikes to the gym 5 times a week to lift weights lol. That's what a terrible diet and sitting on your rear end will do to you.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

Applebees Appetizer posted:

I never understood why some super rich guys like Clarkson look so horribly unhealthy, you can afford the healthiest food available plus a chef to cook it for you every day. And then a trainer to keep you relatively in shape and not looking like a pregnant elderly woman about to give birth.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

GlassEye-Boy posted:

As far as integrated dashboards go, this one looks pretty good.


Not as good as my miata :smugbert:

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

Disgruntled Bovine posted:

Nope. Can't choose each vent direction independently.
For not having the three knobs, I quite liked the climate controls in my Omega. Not my photo but:



The dials adjust the temperature, you can toggle each vent direction separtely, the windshield button puts it automatically at full blast defogging, and fan speed can be easily increased/decreased by mashing the button a few times.



Sab669 posted:








https://www.motor1.com/news/709165/volkswagen-id7-tourer-debut-specs/amp/

Exterior is real sharp, but that interior makes me stop caring it's not coming here :v: [already ignoring I can't do an EV]
Autogefuehl video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnCrUs51Lt8

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

Yeep posted:

605l of cargo is really poor for something aiming for the electric Passat market. That's smaller than a Golf estate.
It is very on brand for all of the id series being a little bit worse than their equivalent VW ICE cars though. Hopefully they let Skoda do something with the platform sooner rather than later.

Skoda has the Enyak or whatever and it's kind of meh too


E: Carwow has a video on the Fisker Ocean:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoIT_onPfKk

mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Feb 20, 2024

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

BuckyDoneGun posted:

GOOD NEWS! It's the new Dacia Spring!

Small city EV using a Renault-Nissan Chinese market platform, billed as "Europe's most affordable new electric car".

45 or 65hp versions, 26.8kwh battery, 137mi range, 45min 20-80% fast charge, 308l boot, 1004l with seats folded, 984kg in top trim, only comes on steelies with hubcaps. V2L, small frunk is optional, many real buttons, plenty of the usual safety/driver assists plus infotainment screen/carplay/AA on top trim. appears to start with a KEY. pricing unconfirmed yet but could be starting about £16k, half the price of the next cheapest EV currently on sale in the UK.

However: 1 star Euro NCAP safety :jebstare:




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aT832_ofEYM

Hmm as he mentioned the Spring has been available for a while now in other makets but it seems like it got a facelift at least? 16k is way cheaper than the next EV of course, but it's still kind of a lot of money for a very, very basic car with zero one safety and maybe like 100km range in the winter.

In terms of overall package (well other than safety) it'd be great for someone like my parents on limited income but also with limited travel needs. Buuut if you're on a budget... why not get a used Honda Fit for like $5k? (or my shitbox for $500) I guess it might make sense if you drive a lot within a small radius.


e:
Thomas has a video too, and he gets to play with the YouClip thing. The base trim also has manual rear windows! Also he barely fits into it lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fUCH8tRDvo

mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Feb 21, 2024

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
^^^
:wrong:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ExIDot-g_4&t=428s

Aix posted:

you gotta look up the 0-60 for the spring. its a thing of its own

19.1s

Well only if you cheap out and get the 45hp version!

Otherwise it's like 13s which is about the same as my 1.2 Honda Fit, which is perfectly usable

mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Feb 21, 2024

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
Cadillac is going to have a new 3-row EV SUV?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Odb-Abp9qmQ

SlowBloke posted:

If you scrap an euro 4 car or older, along with a family income under 30k€ in italy makes a spring a 3000€ car in Italy. It makes it more cheap than an Ami or whatever new motorbike you can buy.
3k is a good price but it would mean you're probably scrapping a better vehicle :v:

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
How about the Tonale instead

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
Autogefuel has the MX-30 test with the rotary range extender / phev thing. He doesn't seem to be a fan of the combination, which is a bummer as I thought it could work pretty well. Doesn't really come across from the video but I guess the rotary will be spinning quite fast and as smooth as it is, if it's at like 6k rpm in city traffic, it might be pretty distracting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlW2g2oFnNc

e: also Peugeot 3008 EV (also available as ICE)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wklgg5Je618

mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 15:37 on Feb 24, 2024

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
I don't think I've ever seen an MX-30 on the road here. But interestingly I was just checking the Norwegian stats and apparently it's not doing amazingly but still out-selling the ID.3 and pretty much matching the ID.4 lol



E:

Renault 5 is leaking



quote:

When it launches officially on February 26th, it’s expected to arrive with a 52 kWh battery pack and anywhere from 120 to 150 hp
https://www.theautopian.com/the-renault-5-is-exactly-the-kind-of-cool-small-ev-the-world-needs/

mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 13:51 on Feb 25, 2024

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
Well here's the real thing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLbV7LB8k2c

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
Other than the relatively high beltline/hood (EV skateboard + pedestrian safety) could it really be much smaller than that while still being a practical 4-seater? In the Autogefuel video you can see Thomas can't really fit in the back as it is



It's actually shorter than a Skoda Fabia (3920 vs 4108)



I do think everyone should be driving Kei cars but I doubt you could sell a mainstream car much smaller than that. A class smaller is what, an Up!?

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
Oh no, Apple moved their car to the trashcan. Now we'll never know what sort of minimalist UI they'd come up with :cry:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-02-27/apple-cancels-work-on-electric-car-shifts-team-to-generative-ai

DanTheFryingPan posted:

Toyota Yaris is in the same class as the Fabia but about 200mm shorter, while the Up, Citigo, Aygo etc. are around 3600-3700mm. I still see lot of Yarises around. The truly tiny cars in Germany seem to be mostly Smarts.
Right so the Renault is about the size of the 5-door Yaris it seems (~2cm shorter, 2cm wider), here in front of the Fabia (which has a larger trunk).



Don't really disagree that it looks a bit fat visually and they should've made a 3-door but realistically I just don't see how they could've made it smaller while having mainstream appeal. The top selling cars in France are the Clio and C3 so about this size.
https://www.best-selling-cars.com/france/2023-full-year-france-top-20-best-selling-car-models/

Russian Bear posted:

There is a global version that is hybrid right now that the US didn't get. The cutest lil space ship.
Not seeing many of those on the road sadly, hopefully they don't kill it off here too.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

Neslepaks posted:

Really quite taken with the R5. May have to test drive it when it lands here.

Make sure to test the baguette holder

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

TheMadMilkman posted:

I could never fit in that, but drat it looks good.
What if you sat in the back seat?

E: the 4-door Jimy looks wrong but I'd bet they'll sell tons of them

mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Mar 1, 2024

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
Pretty sure I've seen the BYD Seagull a few months ago when videos from China started coming out but another one popped up in YT so I had a look again.

Its claim to fame is that it's a $12k EV that isn't a complete piece of poo poo like the Changli or something. Now obviously that's the price in China without taxes, possibliy including state subsidies, shortcuts on safety, slave labor, whatever. What's interesting though is where they didn't cheap out.

Vents you control with your fingers. Physical clicky buttons on steering wheel. Stalks. Two displays, the large one rotates. A glove box with a manual latch (not visible obviously).


Seperate button for each window, locks and mirror adjustments. Physical door levers.


A small panel with a gear selector, drive modes, A/C and volume controls.


It's not that buttons are free, but this makes me think they really wouldn't be saving that much by sticking everything into the screen. Or they would've done that on the super-cheap car. Even if all this luxury cost BYD something crazy like $1k (or 10% of the whole car!), then that's something I think the likes of Volvo or VW could afford to do on their $50k car/suv things

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

Blackhawk posted:

VAG's 2023 operating profit was $22.5 billion, it's not that they can't afford to put in physical controls without increasing the price of the car, they just want to squeeze every last drop of profit possible out of their paypigs.

That's true of course, but usually this is the excuse when VAG or Volvo or Tesla come up with a dogshit "minimalist" interior; they just have no choice but to save money to give you a $50k SUV, when in reality I suspect the $500 or whatever a few buttons and toggles could cost would be easily a rounding error on the price of a vehicle.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

$500 per is a big number in vehicle cost accounting
It's also a number we made up, but let's say it's about right. Why can BYD put all that stuff it in a $12k shitbox instead of hiding everything in the screen, but on a $40k Volvo it's just not possible? Even if they had to raise prices to maintain margins for greed purposes, would people suddenly refuse to buy a $40,500 car?


Twerk from Home posted:

I would take cheapo 90s GM parts bin physical controls over touchscreen only, and there is no way that those were expensive, either to R&D or to manufacture.

I also really strongly prefer an analog speedo, but it seems like those are going out of fashion too. I wonder if I might not be able to find one at all past 2030.
:same:
On the upside though I think with the advancements in 3d printing, CNC machining and approachable electronics, it should be pretty easy to make your own dream gauges for your EV. Basically like what Matt talks about doing (but apparently never does lol) with old Jaaaag gauges by connecting them to Tesla computers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2cw8vR2tuo&t=276s

In any case I don't think this is something I'll have to worry about anytime soon.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
Honda apparently even made (or still makes) 4WD Fits in Japan fairly recently


mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
I don't mind the look of the coupe, the 4-door is a bit weird in the profile.

I'm more concerend that it's going to be AWD by default, what is that poo poo.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
Paging Engineering Explained guy to do the math for us

E:
He does actually have a video on mass vs acceleration lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cUIhVEJEaM

gently caress it, let's do this. We have all the information to do the math in that Car and Driver article except the gear reduction, but it seems to work out to about 9.5 which is similar to what Tesla uses, from a quick google check, so probably about right.



Wait it's just linear lol. I guess IRL traction limitations with lower weight and air resistance would affect that

mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 13:57 on Mar 6, 2024

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
It doesn't really matter either way because the road wear increases with the 4th power of weight per axle. So even porky passenger vehicles do nothing but busses and heavy trucks gently caress poo poo up real quick.

Random chart from GIS:

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
There was another hit on google of a recent paper, I don't have time to read the whole thing but there was this chart:



https://www.pure.ed.ac.uk/ws/portalfiles/portal/313811988/Read_wear_EV_CTEP_Publishers_Copy.pdf


Olympic Mathlete posted:

Me sat in traffic in my Miata: "I need to get a motorbike for commuting"
:hmmyes:

I can walk to my work (or WFH) so it's not really an issue but going through downtown or some of the ring roads for any reason can be a nightmare at times and would be much faster and more fun on a bike. A Grom would do it I think. At least I think it would, if I wasn't too much of a pussy to ride anything with fewer than 4 wheels :ohdear:

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
Speaking of "luxury", here's a close look at the Celestiq from less than an hour ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnkIVRSshJA

I've seen photos of these things but no idea if it's an actual first time it's shown up close. I like the idea of a giant outrageous Cadillac like the V16 or something but not really loving that rear end so far. Also doesn't seem to have as much space insied as an S class or something.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
E53 AMG wagon, I6 hybrid, 612hp. Hopefully you can order it in brown too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oA6qjir7S7s

ID.3 GTX:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6y7VdcOkxA

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
The Probox is good though??

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

Mr. Apollo posted:

No idea. They may do something like the C63e where an electric motor and battery pack is strapped to the rear wheels but they'd have to give it close to 800 HP considering the C63e has 671 HP.

edit - Looks like that's what MB is doing: https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-2024-mercedes-amg-e63-swaps-v8-straight-six-phev

In other news, the Audi Q6 etron (twin to the new Porsche Macan EV) was finally released. Apparently it's going to replace the Q8 erron since it's only slightly smaller but it much more efficient and has better range.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BucVRnrE2qM
Are they doing capacitive buttons on the doors now, including for fog lights :eyepop:

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

ilkhan posted:

Those look like backlit physical buttons to me...

For the windows, yes, I mean all the other ones on the separate panel. They seem to be flat, maybe with some ridges separating some of them



E: content warning, Throttle House content:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MamKI2sugQ

The Santa Fe looks pretty wild. Like I have no need or interest in a giant SUV thing but it's impressive how nice it seems to be and how much it offers for what is a reasonable price nowadays

mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Mar 18, 2024

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
I generally like what Genesis is doing (yes even that Magma thing) but wtf is this


https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/03/sporty-orange-and-big-luxury-genesis-brings-its-ev-game-to-ny/

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

FlapYoJacks posted:

It's a concept car OP. Concept cars are notorious for being crazy and impractical but generally cool-looking at first glance.

Are you saying there isn't going to be an enormous widescreen stuck on the dashboard?

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
I don't think they sell the Accord in Europe at all. No idea WTF Honda is doing (or rather not doing). EU's a pretty big market and cars like the Fit, Civic and Accord (RIP) are all in popular segments, not to mention their CUV thingies. I haven't been insde a current-gen Honda but they seem to be very competitive by all accounts so it's really strange. Maybe it's becasue everything is only weird E-CVT hybrid and people hate it? :shrug:

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

antimatt posted:

I too had a '15 with a manual and had the exact opposite thoughts about it. You could merge onto the freeway WFO, shifting at the limiter and not break the law (much). It was one of the best shifting transaxles I've driven in a long time.

I traded it in on a BRZ and later I wished I had both cars. To each their own!
I have a GD Fit/Jazz as well as a Miata, and it can be fun but definitely not in the same way as a Miata. The shifter isn't bad but steeing is electric, the engine is gutless, suspension is strut/trailing arm, and tires are PO's mystery budget winters. So it's more like funny to drive it unreasonably fast than rewarding.


Applebees Appetizer posted:

I turned my Scion xB into a decent handling car just by adding a sway bar in the rear, putting a bigger sway bar and strut bar in the front, and of course good summer tires.

Before that it was just meh but I'm pretty happy with it now, almost no body roll and very predictable.
I've seen people mod the Fit too, the rear sway bar seems like a popular mod as well. There's an LSD available, turbos, brakes from civic, etc. The parts are pretty cheap too though I might've done it for shits and giggles if I had a garage to mess in.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

dissss posted:

I've always thought of the Swift as the fun hatch (the Sport is legit good) whereas the Jazz/Fit is like a mini-minvan.
Haven't driven the recent Swift but yeah probably it and the Fiesta would be the sportier, fun to drive cars. This isn't bad but definitely more utilitarian.

Dr. Lunchables posted:

Guy I know crammed a K20 into his Fit. I haven’t seen it drive but it’s like Saab 9-3 levels of tight in that engine bay.
Apparently it's a thing yeah. Interestingly when I first looked into it (just for fun, there's no way to legally swap to a different engine here) after getting the car there was hardly any information. Seems like this took off a bit just in the last year or so, e.g.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V77gpcS-nmw

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
Just get an E60 M5 right now

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

TheBacon posted:

Not eligible for import for another 8 years. Unless you mean actual E60 and not E61, in which case, why?
  • Not 2.5 tons
  • Not 180,000 USD
  • Not ugly and fat
  • Available right now*
  • No snails

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

TheBacon posted:

I mean I have looked pretty heavily into converting an E91 and it is really loving expensive. $180k would not be insanely off to try and make it like new. Also man bangle must be feeling so justified right now.

There is also the kinda cool thing of the like “put your money where your mouth is” and actually buying the enthusiast requested products.
Is the "enthusiast requested product" a 2.5 ton AWD automatic hybrid that's the size of a school bus?

This used to be a forum. A proper AI forum.

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mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

SlowBloke posted:

When the Tychy plant started making Pandas the people reaction was "finally we can get a Panda whose doors won't fall off". If you ask the average italian where he likes his cars to be built the standard response is "everywhere but Italy".
My car was made in Tychy and it's the same line of the Milano (Jeep Avenger), of all the issues the car has none i can think of are due to Tychy staffers loving up (beside forgetting to put all the markings on the battery, that's on them).
Poland has a long and proud tradition of making excellent Italian cars



Nothing wrong with making cars there of course, but if Fiat got a handout from the government to make cars there [e: in Italy], that's pretty lovely. Southern Italy is pretty hosed economically and needs all the help they can get.

mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 12:31 on Apr 15, 2024

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