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Skyssx
Feb 2, 2001

by T. Fine

kill me now posted:

Their best looking car was the esperante GT1

Wrong.

http://www.endurancesportscar.com/alms2002cars/panoz02moqual.jpg

Spirit of America.

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Skyssx
Feb 2, 2001

by T. Fine

kill me now posted:

Wrong.

Closed top prototypes > open top prototypes

Front engined P1 < *

Skyssx
Feb 2, 2001

by T. Fine

aparmenideanmonad posted:

We (Syracuse) got over 43 inches of snow the first four days of this week. Please tell me how the AWD on my WRX is a gimmick and a nanny device that encourages bad driving as opposed to a tool that lets me go get groceries and drive up hills.

When you're done with that, tell me the same story about my snow tires.

I get it, AWD isn't some sort of magic device that can turn any FWD car into a raging mass of performance, but please don't pretend like it's solely the product of some marketing scheme on the part of companies like Subaru/Audi (my previous car was a Coupe Quattro). I absolutely hate having to drive my GF's FWD Jetta (also with snow tires) when the weather gets lovely.

I love AWD/4WD for multiple reasons. My truck is part time 4WD and eventually i'll parts-bin-gineer it to AWD. I love good AWD. However, a number of vehicles have a crappy electric "AWD" just so the manufacturer can stick on another badge and make another few price points.

Skyssx
Feb 2, 2001

by T. Fine
^^^ Traction control has been mandatory since MY 08.

grover posted:

This will be like that frustrating "feature" on my riding lawnmower that forces me to push a button before backing up, isn't it? Not that pushing a button forces me to look backwards... in fact, quite the opposite. I end up looking at the button instead of looking at what's behind me.

Now, people are going to be looking at the camera, and not actually looking BACK where their peripheral vision would see kids running towards them, etc. These had better be some damned good cameras.

You use a Cub Cadet, don't you? Start the mower, move the key to "reverse" mowing, push the button, mow forward or reverse at will. It won't pop the PTO. It's a little harder (make and install shorting jumpers) if you have a zero-turn.

Regardless, that poo poo is the dumbest thing ever. Commercial units aren't "required" to have it and allow you to mow over children at 12 MPH in reverse. I suggest you get one of those.

japtor posted:

With the visibility of a lot of larger cars you wouldn't be able to see the kids running towards you if you tried looking back.

We need smaller cars or taller kids :colbert:

When driving my truck, it is impossible to see a Corvette passing to my right except for the antenna. I have since readjusted my towing mirrors to view that blind spot, but those mirrors are an uncommon option. I can't see a GOD damned thing behind me. I'd actually like to install a rearview camera, and the truck is all wired for it. However, putting in a screen to display the video would cost $400-$2000 or look like complete rear end.

Skyssx
Feb 2, 2001

by T. Fine

grover posted:

John Deere. I disabled the dead-man switch under the seat so that I can stop and move something out of the way without the engine dying on me. I haven't been bothered to disable the reverse cutout relay, though. Would be trivial, I'm sure.

Ehhh. Probably the same thing. The control systems are all made by Delta any more.

Skyssx
Feb 2, 2001

by T. Fine

redscare posted:

I'm not sure where you see PT Cruiser, I certainly can't see this car pulling off faux-wood body paneling as well as the PT. And the roofline is all wrong. Its the current New Beetle, but with an elongated front end/more conventionally placed greenhouse, with the end result being that its proportions look completely wrong.

I don't know, my dad had the same reaction when I sent it to him; "So it's a PT Cruiser now..."

Skyssx
Feb 2, 2001

by T. Fine

Linedance posted:

As a Canadian, if something is referred to as "American" I'm going to assume you mean that bit between Canada and Mexico, and if you're incorrectly applying it to something Canadian, I'll politely correct you. And then I'll call you a oval office because I live in the UK.

As an overly spergy Canadian living in the UK, the percentage needed to describe you is over 7 digits long, and therefore, pointless.

Skyssx
Feb 2, 2001

by T. Fine

CornHolio posted:

Don't know where else to put this, so it goes here!

2011 Toyota Tundra trip report

I get to drive around for a couple of days in this beast.

Economy is 13 city / 17 highway, which I think is pretty standard. I can't imagine how much gas would cost if I were to buy such a truck.

Also, for $40,000 you don't get power seats? Or auto up/down windows? The driver gets auto-down and that's it, period. Kind of surprising given the price.

I paid 24,550 for mine in '09. It's worth more than that on KBB right now. Yes, gas sucks balls. I'm going to futz around with some things this spring. I used to be able to get 16 city 20 highway, but at 30k miles, i'm now getting almost exactly 13/17. Put 10,000 pounds on the trailer hitch, though, and it neither knows nor cares. Always plenty of power on tap.

I really like the ergos on mine, especially the CC stalk.

If I had to gripe about it in comparison to other trucks, i'd list bouncing crazily over minor road undulations at the top. There's a TSB to replace a cab mount with a fluid filled jobber that is apparently effective.

Things I like, the middle sized cab (Double Cab) has a 6.5 or 8' bed and the back seat is more than usable. Crew Cab only gets a tinybed. Also, at 6'5", I can scoot the seat almost up to the dash and not have any leg cramping on long trips.

Skyssx
Feb 2, 2001

by T. Fine

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

That Tundra looks weirder than most. I think it's the wheels or something.

They're 17". Standard equipment is 18". That could be it.

Skyssx
Feb 2, 2001

by T. Fine
The step in height is pretty high. I'm 6'5" and I hop up backwards. My girlfriend uses the grab handles. The bit on the tail lights being susceptible to damage is bunk. I've never heard of them being cracked, the '10+ stick out even more. Headlights do suck in function, they're not bright at all. All Tundras have an IFS skid standard. The unibrow on the grill is ugly as hell. You can swap in a sequoia grille, but it won't meet up with the bumper cover, so you've got to change that over as well. No one likes the raised up bit by the windows, it didn't work on the X3 and doesn't here. On the Double Cab (pictured) kids in carseats are not exposed to glass at all; the rear part of the frame is solid for about 5".

Skyssx
Feb 2, 2001

by T. Fine

redscare posted:

Except that Hyundai's rally car isn't fake

How many years did it compete? I honestly don't know, my only exposure to it was GT4.

Skyssx
Feb 2, 2001

by T. Fine
Anyone know why the SFE package is ONLY available on the Focus SE Sedan and not the hatch or luxury models? Aren't modern Kamm back hatches more aerodynamically efficient to begin with?

Skyssx
Feb 2, 2001

by T. Fine
Did it have third row seating? I was checking out a XC70 while getting my oil changed and was very disappointed that apparently they're just sedans with extra cargo space.

In other news, at the same oil change, I ran a mile down the street to a Nissan dealership and checked out the Juke. Definitely workable for my 6'4" self, even in the back seat. Cargo space leaves something to be desired, but it's on the whole a tiny car anyway.

Skyssx
Feb 2, 2001

by T. Fine

Throatwarbler posted:

Yes if a Mondeo had more HP and weighed 400lbs less than a BMW 335i and better fuel economy and was much larger and could seat 6 people with 3 in the front row and costs half the price. But I guess it doesn't have enough spoilers and hood scoops and HIDZZ to impress anyone here. :rolleye:

I seriously doubt it can seat three abreast for more than a trip across town. The Jetta and Focus both "seat 5", but not really. I like the Juke for not having a pretentious center seat in the back. More cars should do that.

Skyssx
Feb 2, 2001

by T. Fine
The Odyssey looks positively small next to the Toyota Sienna.

Skyssx
Feb 2, 2001

by T. Fine

dissss posted:

You could just as easily be describing an Expedition or whatever that Toyota equivalent super sized SUV is called (the one that is bigger than a 200 series Landcruiser but doesn't have any type of off-road ability).

It really sounds like a problem with specific minivans rather than the minivan form factor in general.

The Sequoia has tons of off road capability, being that it has a LC200 drive train almost entirely... It is inappropriately large, though.

The only minivan I want is the Previa for its SC-AWD-mid-engined goodness. I've never driven one and I likely never will. So any goodness may just be turd polishing.

Skyssx
Feb 2, 2001

by T. Fine

Throatwarbler posted:

The Sequoia is a bit taller than the LC and has IRS but the LC does have low range gearing, which I guess is the big thing to have for going off road.

The engine, transfer case, transmission and front axle are swappable.

Skyssx
Feb 2, 2001

by T. Fine

Throatwarbler posted:

I'm not seeing how that make the Sequoia off-road capable?

All of the drive train components are shared between the sequoia and lc200. Most are shared by the Tundra as well. There is nothing off-road deficient in any of Toyota's body on frame SUV offerings.

Skyssx
Feb 2, 2001

by T. Fine

kimbo305 posted:

Hmmm, interesting. Let's discuss it.

Just like the new Jetta TDI, but (probably) less reliable and less likely to spontaneously combust?

Skyssx
Feb 2, 2001

by T. Fine

Timmy Cruise posted:

What? Did you mean more likely? I would think reliability and lack of spontaneous combustion would be linearly related. I've never heard of a TDI spontaneously combusting. If this came close to the TDI (engine wise at least) it would still be quite good. My parents' 2000 TDI has 480k kms and is running fine...

Saw a few in Australia last December. According to the owner, the car seemed great. As has been said before, I think this will help drive more better small cars to be brought here.

Sorry, I typed it from my phone while on lunch. I figure there's not a small diesel engine on the planet more reliable than VW's. However, VW is known for electrical problems and fires. So my original statement meant the engine will be less reliable, but the car will probably not just up and catch on fire in your driveway. Stereotypes.

I've been driving my brother in law's '10 TDI the last week as i'm trying to get some last bit of warranty repairs (I gently caress it, they fix it, hopefully) on my truck. I still can't get the shifting down right on it. I don't stall out on hills any more, the clutch is quite easy to learn. If I just sorta idle it forwards, I keep it lower than 1500 RPM up to 35MPH and hit the cruise control. Fine and all, but acceleration in that manner is pretty low. Whenever I try to accelerate more aggressively I end up somehow bucking the car on upshifts, not letting the engine RPMs drop enough. OR, if I accelerate semi-aggressively, about the same rate everyone else is doing, I press the accelerator, wait... wait... 1700 RPMZOOOOOOOOOMshift!

Skyssx
Feb 2, 2001

by T. Fine

InitialDave posted:

I don't actually understand the appeal of a saloon version. For some ungodly reason the "I need to go somewhere" pool car at work is a Mondeo saloon, rather than the hatch. It doesn't look or drive any different, it just means you can't fit as much stuff in the back. There is a supposed argument about shell stiffness with a saloon, but really? We're not talking about performance vehicles and 10/10ths driving here.

The Jetta TDI I previously mentioned is a sedan. I told my brother in law to buy the sportwagen version, but he refused to buy a station wagon. Instead, they play Tetris in the trunk and then fill a fabric car top carrier that covers the sunroof. There's just something in the water here in the U.S.

Skyssx
Feb 2, 2001

by T. Fine
In the area surrounding Cleveland, every other station carries Diesel.

Skyssx
Feb 2, 2001

by T. Fine
The best you can do in a diesel<>gasoline comparison is to take the economy of the diesel car and a close gasoline engine in the same car, then plug in the price of each fuel. Diesel 20% more efficient and fuel is only 8% more expensive? Winner.

In another example, if you look at E85, it needs to cost at least 24% less than 87 octane, or you're paying more. That NEVER happens anymore.

Skyssx
Feb 2, 2001

by T. Fine
Grid tie solar. If you're not trying to get it *right now*, you're just uninformed. With government subsidies, you can pay back a grid tie array in 5ish years.

Skyssx
Feb 2, 2001

by T. Fine

Boiled Water posted:

Why strip out carpets, seats and everything and not the dash?

Spec racing has rules like that.

Skyssx
Feb 2, 2001

by T. Fine
I am seriously considering the Juke as a future purchase for the fiance. I'm sure it'll be on the second generation by that time, though. I love that the AWD isn't just Haldex and that there is some cargo room. I dislike that in order to get other creature comforts, you MUST have the sunroof. I'm really tall, it won't be my car, though. I would prefer a manual transmission with that engine, but she would definitely not. The styling is unique and from rolling around under one at the dealer and poking my head into the engine bay, it looks pretty easy to work on. It can comfortably seat four tall adults, as well. They really should delete the center rear lap belt on vehicles like that, though. There's no way you're safely fitting three adults across the back, and no way you would be able to fit even three booster seats with kids.

Skyssx
Feb 2, 2001

by T. Fine
I like the ride height. It can rock unplowed streets.

Skyssx
Feb 2, 2001

by T. Fine
2012 Ranger with a 3.2L I5 common rail turbo diesel and a 6 speed manual to be sold in 180 countries, but not the U.S.

Skyssx
Feb 2, 2001

by T. Fine

Motronic posted:

Why do we continue to get shafted on diesel availability?

And turbo I5s in general...

Skyssx
Feb 2, 2001

by T. Fine
My head sticks out above the windshield of a s2k. Maybe not on a BRZ.

Skyssx
Feb 2, 2001

by T. Fine
I wonder if the new Escape is still based on the Escort/323.

Skyssx
Feb 2, 2001

by T. Fine
Maybe I can direct my customers to gas that won't rapefuck their chainsaw or string trimmer in 18 months!

vvv Marathon was selling gas without ethanol for quite some time. I don't know what they were using instead.

Skyssx fucked around with this message at 01:57 on Dec 28, 2011

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Skyssx
Feb 2, 2001

by T. Fine

InitialDave posted:

Having been out perusing cars with my old man for a few days, here's something that's been winding me up: Lack of information on AWD systems.

Here is a short version I have been able to come up with.

Audi/Subaru, mostly their own AWD systems of various sorts.
Nissan Juke, their own electronically controlled AWD, > Haldex 4.
Kia Sportage EX, Magna designed electronically controlled AWD, similar to the Juke.
EVERY OTHER CAR. Haldex.

Both the Sportage and the Juke have a system similar to Haldex in that there's an electronically controlled oil coupling that applies power to the rear wheels. Neither is 100% of the time AWD, but neither are they reactive to the point where you can correct before the system responds. At least in the Juke, you have three modes; FWD, AWD and AWD-V. FWD is self-explanatory, AWD is similar to Haldex in operation, AWD-V is for "torque vectoring" and is a lot more aggressive in shuttling power around the corners. I've forgotten most of what I did find, because i'm not in the market for a car for at least several more years. The Kia system is similar in function, but there are less details about it.

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