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Safety Dance
Sep 10, 2007

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I snapped this picture at a wedding last weekend:

Wedding hanger by camerazn, on Flickr

For the life of me, I can't figure out what model airplane that is. Any ideas?

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Sep 10, 2007

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Makes sense: the wedding was in Paris, TX.

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Sep 10, 2007

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Whenever the President is in Chicago, a trio of V-22s shuttle Secret Service agents from the airport to Soldier Field. Their flight path takes them about three blocks from my office building, just about eye level. My god they make a fantastic of a noise!

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Sep 10, 2007

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hobbesmaster posted:

Not all helicopters can take off vertically fully loaded or hot/high either. :ssh:

It makes sense that an Osprey would make more lift moving forward, but does a helicopter make more lift when it's moving vs hovering?

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Sep 10, 2007

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Huh. Neat.


hobbesmaster posted:

Significantly more. Also significantly reduced risk of VRS.

If you'd like a crash course in helicopter physics I recommend purchasing DCS:Huey, crashing for about 2 hours and then grabbing a physics book.

If it wasn't $50, I'd be tempted.

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Sep 10, 2007

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What's so special about an A-10 in perfect flying condition?

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Sep 10, 2007

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bitcoin bastard posted:

Jesus, I could see driving stick one handed with my right hand, but I'm trying to imagine it with the left and its not working.

E: Motorcycle is probably more impressive, but I don't know poo poo about motorcycles.

Considering that your right hand controls throttle and most of your braking, it's something special. Sure, you could move throttle to the left hand and link the front and rear brakes, but then the left hand is still doing gas and clutch at the same time.

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Sep 10, 2007

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holocaust bloopers posted:

I'd really like to make it out to the Air & Water Show tomorrow. It's gonna be crowded as hell.

My building has issued a limited number of tickets so people can get on the roof to watch. It's a shame about the forecast for tomorrow, though.

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Sep 10, 2007

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Here's my view of the Air and Water Show:

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Sep 10, 2007

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TheFluff posted:

What's the 747 with the goofy fins on the elevator and weird pins all over for?

It's the pickup truck of 747s.



e. I like how everyone dogpiled on this.

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Sep 10, 2007

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In case anyone doesn't read the Wikipedia article, I got a kick out of this:

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Sep 10, 2007

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Fucknag posted:

Ah yes, Moonraker, the movie that somehow managed to gently caress up "James Bond and a platoon of Marines fly to the big bad's space station in a shuttle cargo bay, where they engage the big bad's army in spacesuit combat with lasers".

That said, the shuttle did do flights off the back of the carrier, albeit unpowered:



I can't imagine how nerve racking this must have been for the carrier pilots, having to get out from under the shuttle (which has all the aerodynamic qualities of a brick) while dealing with a massive shift in center of gravity.

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Sep 10, 2007

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Sagebrush posted:

This was super common back in the day, though. If you look through old (1950s ish) magazines you'll frequently come across handy household tips like "spilled grease on your tablecloth? Just soak it in gasoline, then hang it up to dry!"

And those were the days when gasoline had lead in it.

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Sep 10, 2007

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You mean the real thing doesn't look like a Airwolf minivan with wings tacked on top?

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Sep 10, 2007

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To be perfectly fair, those planes will take off by accident in a stiff breeze.

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Sep 10, 2007

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babyeatingpsychopath posted:

I typically order tonic water and almost always get the whole can without asking.

I then pour an airline bottle of gin in it.

edit: I didn't realize it was specifically illegal to do this, so I guess I'm gonna stop now.

Specifically illegal? How so?

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Sep 10, 2007

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Answering my own question here.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/121.575 posted:

§ 121.575 Alcoholic beverages.
(a) No person may drink any alcoholic beverage aboard an aircraft unless the certificate holder operating the aircraft has served that beverage to him.
(b) No certificate holder may serve any alcoholic beverage to any person aboard any of its aircraft who—
(1) Appears to be intoxicated;
(2) Is escorting a person or being escorted in accordance with 49 CFR 1544.221; or
(3) Has a deadly or dangerous weapon accessible to him while aboard the aircraft in accordance with 49 CFR 1544.219, 1544.221, or 1544.223.
(c) No certificate holder may allow any person to board any of its aircraft if that person appears to be intoxicated.
(d) Each certificate holder shall, within five days after the incident, report to the Administrator the refusal of any person to comply with paragraph (a) of this section, or of any disturbance caused by a person who appears to be intoxicated aboard any of its aircraft.

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Sep 10, 2007

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hobbesmaster posted:

This seems like a very bad day to be flying in the midwest.

Because of what, Chicago Center? What's the latest news on that front?

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Sep 10, 2007

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I'm getting married this weekend, so I'm issuing travel advisories to my out of town guests. Hopefully no one's pooch will be screwed.

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Sep 10, 2007

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Is there a radar dead zone over Lake Michigan? It looks like a lot of planes disappear over Michigan and reappear close to Chicago.

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Sep 10, 2007

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Hawker 800 belly landing in Palm Springs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yo2w_WkcqM

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Which, by the way, is the most adorable little thing. It wants to be a C-17 so bad!

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McDeth posted:

Edit: FAA Drone rules are unenforceable. They WAYYYYY overstepped their bounds on this one.

I don't want to be the defendant in the test case here, though.

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Sep 10, 2007

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Perhaps one of you can help me navigate the FAA's bureaucracy (I emailed the FAA about this too). My hackerspace is exploring registering one or more sUAs for private, recreational use. How do I fill out Form AC 8050-1 - AIRCRAFT REGISTRATION APPLICATION? Do I just show up at the field office near O'Hare, or can I get them to mail one to me? Will they assign an N-Number when I give them the 8050-1? Is there a cost involved in getting a randomly assigned N-Number? They're really not clear on this.

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Sep 10, 2007

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CommieGIR posted:

The way the FAA license works is its per USER, not per device unless your UAV/sUA is over a certain weight limit and intends to fly in normal traffic zones.

i.e.: You can use the same N number on any device as long as you are only flying one device per user registered.

Not for sUAs owned by corporations, it doesn't.

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wikipedia posted:

The mobile lounge is a system for boarding and disembarkation from aircraft, using a bus-carriage type "vehicle."

I love the scare quotes around "vehicle."

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Sep 10, 2007

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Nerobro posted:

When I signed up for my HAM license, to check the database and get information out, you had to write a letter. That's an amazingly tall barrier to entry. That's not the case anymore.

When did you sign up? I was a Ham in elementary school in the mid-late 90s, and the ARRL website made callsign -> name super easy. You can't be that much older than me.

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Sep 10, 2007

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Mr. Despair posted:

You'd have to find a b-1a to even have a chance, the b-1b only has a top speed of mach 1.25.

The thing that puts a damper on my supervillain dreams of owning a personal B-1 is I can't take advantage of mid-air refueling for really long haul flights. It might be neat to haul rear end into Europe at Mach 2, but then you'd have to land to refuel. It's not like you can call up Ramstein AFB and order up a KC-135.

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Linedance posted:

you could probably strategically stage some tankers around the world under the guise of a cargo operation, one of your many subsidiaries (not that they could ever link ownership back to you through the layers of obfuscating shell companies based in countries with loose banking and accounting rules).

I guess.

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Sep 10, 2007

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What is that greenish yellow paint?

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Sep 10, 2007

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I know they had the 300-series Shuttle missions standing by after Columbia, but NASA was researching Shuttle to Shuttle rescue missions before then. It's not unthinkable they would have sent up a Proton or other rocket packed with food and oxygen for the months it would take to get a Shuttle turned around.

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Sep 10, 2007

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chitoryu12 posted:

I've only ever been in a helicopter once, not including one or two airline flights when I was a baby that I barely have fleeting memories of.

Edit: The last half of that reminds me of how weird and scary it is how quickly baby memories disappear. Like even when I was in preschool I only had a few fragments of memory from my time as a 2-year-old. It just evaporates.

Your brain isn't really fully developed for memory makin' as a two-year-old, is why.

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Sep 10, 2007

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It would have to be at a pretty shallow angle of incidence, otherwise you'd get two different debris fields.

e. also, it's little mystery what brought down an airliner when the crash is caused by a 737strike to the left wing.

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Sep 10, 2007

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Fortunately, it looks like they will both make a complete recovery.

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Sep 10, 2007

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The space shuttle computers were in charge of almost the entire process. There's one step, and for the life of me I can't remember which, that NASA made manual on the insistence of people who didn't want a computer flying the orbiter.

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Sep 10, 2007

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chitoryu12 posted:

Which is true: I can't fly sim helicopters worth a drat. That same convention had a V-22 Osprey sim and I flew it perfectly professionally until I had to switch to helicopter mode for the landing, at which point I flipped over and crashed.

In other words, you flew it as well as a lot of Osprey pilots.

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Sep 10, 2007

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Pop the old engines off and pop the new ones on. Easy as pie.



More pics: https://www.facebook.com/ironmaiden/photos/pcb.10153369617407051/10153369613297051/?type=3&theater

quote:

ED FORCE ONE ONWARDS AND UPWARDS AGAIN

MAIDEN PLANE SET TO REJOIN THE BOOK OF SOULS TOUR IN BRASILIA TOMORROW AFTER MASSIVE REPAIRS COMPLETED IN JUST 10 DAYS

TWO 5000kg, FOUR MILLION DOLLAR JET ENGINES FLOWN 12,000 KM TO REPLACE DAMAGED ENGINES

Following the major accident in Chile (link to previous release on this) on the morning of Saturday March 12, we are delighted to announce that a fully repaired Ed Force One will take off tomorrow afternoon, Tuesday March 22, from Santiago Airport to rejoin the tour at Brasília Presidente Juscelino Kubitschek International Airport. Following the show at Nilsen Nelson Arena, the plane will be loaded up once again on Wednesday with over 20 tons of equipment and our tour personnel to fly to Fortaleza for the concert on Thursday and on from there to Sao Paulo then New York and onwards round the World on The Book of Souls World Tour which visits 36 countries in the five month period.

The accident required the replacing of both of the Boeing 747’s port side jet engines, a tough proposition at the best of times but not made any easier by the fact of the distances involved in getting such huge components, parts, tools and technical crew to Chile as quickly as possible to get Ed Force One back in the air. The engines alone weigh 5000kg each, and cost around four million dollars each.

Ed Force One is leased from Air Atlanta who went into immediate action following the incident, with technical assistance from Boeing. An emergency meeting on the Sunday was called to create a comprehensive detailed plan for this complex operation – locating suitable engines, thrust reversers, cowlings and parts, working out necessary tooling and technical team, logistics of ground and freight transport and tech team travel and a myriad of other detail. All from scratch. The next couple of days were spent putting these plans meticulously into place

The result was that on Thursday last, March 17, a Cargolux chartered 747 freighter left Luxembourg carrying two huge replacement jet engines, trucked there from Hannover, Germany. The Charter stopped over at Stansted Airport, Essex, UK to collect two more consignments. Cowlings and thrust reversers were trucked there in huge boxes from Kemble, UK, along with tooling and consumables flown in specially from Jeddah to Heathrow and hauled to Stansted.

The chartered 747 then completed the 12,000km (7410 miles) flight to Santiago , arriving at 9am Friday morning. The technicians were flown there from Iceland and from Atlanta Air’s base in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, six in total, to join with EF1’s own two onboard techs, Bjorn Bjarnason and Sigurbjarni ( Barney) Thormundsson, and Jeremy Smith of Rock It Cargo Ltd, who is on tour with us supervising the freight and customs aspects.

The engines were cleared by Chilean Customs Friday lunchtime and they were transferred to the LAN Chile maintenance area of the airport arriving just before 2pm. Working in shifts 24 hours a day the techs were then able to start removing Engine number 1 and then on Saturday Engine number 2. Using hoists and cranes the damaged engines had to be detached then lowered into a cradle in order to swap with the new replacement engines. The replacement engines were then lifted up and into a place. Once the support pylons had been inspected and x-rayed and damage assessed, both of which passed with flying colours, then the new engines were attached with, as one of the techs said, a “ million” wires. Both were finally in place and attached by Sunday lunchtime and then the thrust reversers fitted overnight, almost as complex an operation as fitting the actual engines due to being right under the wing. Final piece of the jigsaw was for the Eddie decals to be fitted and then both engines tested by running to full power.

Comments Bruce Dickinson, Maiden vocalist and pilot of Ed Force One : “The speed and thoroughness of this incredibly complex operation was stunning and we are so very pleased to get our plane back! We would like to thank Air Atlanta and their terrific rescue team for a fantastic effort in achieving this in the time they did, and to Boeing, LAN Chile. ACS and Rock It Cargo for all their invaluable support. We are sorry though for our fans in Cordoba, Buenos Aires, Rio and Belo Horizonte who missed out seeing the plane, but we hope they enjoyed the concerts as much as we did.

We should also thank our Killer Krew who found themselves at lunchtime on the Saturday of the accident with over 20 tons of equipment at the airport in Santiago and over 60 people all to get to Cordoba for early the next day to set up the huge show we are carrying. The distance is “only” 1000km, but with a small matter of the Andes in between! They did it , by the skin of the teeth, and all went very well for the show in Cordoba and the other cities EF1 just missed. It’s quite a feat of logistics to find and put into action at such short notice all the transport, replacement air-charters, schedule flights etcetera to enable us to play those next four shows on time without EF1, our transport for everything. Great effort, team, many thanks from all of us. And to our promoter MOVE and ACS for all their assistance and time with this too“

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Sep 10, 2007

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Mazz posted:

Yeah I got lucky a couple times as I used to drive up and down LSD for a work route and I got to catch them at the right time, but if you're going southbound there's a bit of shoulder you can sit on if you had some time right across from that lot if you cared to. Probably could walk pretty close too but they might have all the walkways to cross LSD pretty locked down so I'm not sure.

Also a little ashamed I recognized that so quickly but I've been driving up and down Western for close to a decade now for another work thing. That sandwich shop across from Lane on the corner is owned by a long time family friend, real good people.

Back when I worked in the SearsWillis Tower, we used to hear those Ospreys going by before/during a presidential visit. It's amazing watching them cruise past at around the same altitude as where you're standing.

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Sep 10, 2007

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Look to the left. Looks like the aircraft was travelling from left to right.

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Sep 10, 2007

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Today's the anniversary of American Airlines 191, the DC-10 whose engine fell off during takeoff from ORD, causing the deadliest aviation accident in the United States. Someone on Facebook requested a copy of the CVR transcript from the NTSB and posted it here.

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