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Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe

Godholio posted:

Fun to watch, but sucks be in the plane for that. Anyone who has the slightest touch of motion sickness WILL vomit under those conditions. If you've got sympathetic pukers in the area, the situation rapidly deteriorates. I've been stuck next to a puker twice. :(

At one point it was turning with like a 40 degree bank, it did make me a bit sick seeing the tops of the wings that short after take off. Then again the C-5s do that stuff all the time so maybe I'm desensitized.

I just wish the Phantoms were still flying over my house :(

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Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe

movax posted:

Ditto, I remember reading up on the relatively frequent updating markings/stripes/camo on aircraft to reduce the risk from captured aircraft, but not that. Makes sense though, little to no aerial radar, nevertheless IFF, but I wonder what course they'd send the bomber on to slip past escorts and kinda slide into formation.

Though...what Allied bomber bases operating B-17/24/25s were overrun with aircraft captured intact? I feel like there's a huge gap in my WWII knowledge, I can't think of one right now.

Plenty of them made forced landings in Germany. I have books that talk about the Germans using this strategy, but no scanner or the drive to browse 1,000 page tomes about WWII. They did do it, though. They got around the escorts by waiting until the escorts left. Fully escorted bombing missions weren't common until late in the war.

The Germans did this stuff in every aspect, most notably in the Battle of the Bulge when they used captured uniforms and jeeps to breach the defenses of Bastogne.

Seizure Meat fucked around with this message at 16:37 on Apr 15, 2010

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe
There's even stories of Mustang on Mustang dogfights. Once your production base is wrecked, you have to improvise I suppose.

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe
Speaking of old planes, this picture is of a Sabre in a town park near me.



Gotta love NY. Ricers will put JDM on anything.

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe

FullMetalJacket posted:

that poor sabre! :(

The town is already in contact with the Air Force to restore it, don't worry.

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe
I think I'm partial to the Orion project propulsion. We have all these nukes, might as well use them for something.

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe

Boomerjinks posted:

The above comment is not complete without the below link.
http://www.ted.com/talks/george_dyson_on_project_orion.html

Also, all this talk about aerospikes brings back bad memories of the X-33. They might as well have cancelled Christmas. :smith:

My bad, I usually add it. I figured everyone in this thread knew what I was talking about though.

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe
It's also natural gas piping, too, right? That's not an oil fire.

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe

Revolvyerom posted:

Considering our "car fire" training was gasoline piped into car frames, only shut off when the instructor thought you'd done it right...not necessarily.

The only reason I say that is it looks like a jet of flame shooting out of something underneath the training frame, it doesn't look like a natural fire at all.

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe
Yeah I was just gonna say, I don't think that's a drone.

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe

Quantrill posted:

....This isn't going to work...


dont you ruin this for us

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe
Tomcats are amazingly gigantic.

You don't really get a sense of the size of a modern fighter until you see one parked near a B-17 (the Tomcat is exceptionally big).

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe

Ola posted:

I've heard that as well, but it's not cheaper to sell the F-18 without carrier gear when you have to change the production line and fit weaker gear on export versions. I submit the Finnish F-18:



It even has the arm on the nose gear that connects to the steam catapult shuttle and I'm pretty sure Finland doesn't have any aircraft carriers.

I doubt it's a specific design feature, but it is kinda handy to tell your allies "Hey if the poo poo hits the fan, we can catch your planes on our carriers and you can continue fighting with us if your nation falls."

Cold War thinking :laugh:

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe

slothrop posted:

After reading The Right Stuff earlier this year I feel that sometimes we forget about the totally rockin' dudes who flew the amazing planes we have such a hard on for (not saying I don't)

How about :

Scott Crossfield

Guy did some pretty amazing things and would possibly have been one of the first men in space if the whole rocket plane thing had gone ahead instead of Mercury (feel free to correct me)

Going back a page, but my personal favorite is Ted Williams. Probably the best hitter to play baseball, he was the last batter with an over .400 batting average. In 1941, he had a .406 average over the entire season. The next year he was drafted as a Marine pilot. During the war he broke all gunnery records, and instructed on Corsairs, he was in Pearl Harbor awaiting deployment when the war ended.

After the war he returned to the Red Sox, only to be called back in 1952 for Korea, flying the F9F....as John Glenn's wingman.

Of course there's always Smokey Yunick and his time in bombers, but that's a given for AI I suppose.

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe

slidebite posted:

This is the way airshows should be done, live ordinance and all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmseXJ7DV4c


The Hustler is the best plane, listen to that bastard go!

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe
Which is probably why they used a bear, depending on age or size they are probably a good representation of the human form.

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe
The airshow here in '03 had a heritage flight like that, and it was hilarious to see the Mustang screaming the revs while the Eagle toggled flaps and idled his engines.

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe

BeastOfExmoor posted:

Holy poo poo, I had no idea this existed. To make it better I live pretty much right on the approach to Paine Field and more then once have glanced out my window and seen the Dreamlifter. I can't tell if they're currently flying the thing, but I'm going to keep my eyes peeled from now on.

quote:

During flight testing in November 2006, a Cessna 172 being used for a training flight encountered the 747 LCF's wake turbulence while on approach to Boeing Field. The small aircraft was accidentally inverted and lost 1,000 feet (300 m) of altitude before the instructor pilot was able to regain control at just 150 feet (46 m).

From the wiki. I hate it when I get accidentally inverted.

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe

Stormangel posted:

No kidding. How about an RC flying lawnmower.

It's all fun and games until the lawnmower goes out of control and kills someone at Shea Stadium.

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe

N183CS posted:

Yes T56's are smokey bastards.

I love watching them take off from Stewart. It looks like a B-17 in terms of oil output, both from the exhaust and on the fuselage.

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe
So last week we had three helicopters flying around Stewart, but I couldn't get pictures of them. I can give a basic description though. Way bigger than a Blackhawk, olive drab, refuel boom on the nose, cargo door in the rear, and two "pods" of some kind running the length of the fuselage. Am I correct in assuming these were Marine Corps Super Stallions?

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

I imagine that those would be fairly decent for patrolling Iran's coastline. They're clearly surveillance intended - they mention the camera specifically. Think of it as an el-cheapo first gen UAV that is flown by a dude.

I actually think they are probably more suited for packing with explosives and letting true believers fly them.

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe
They probably wouldn't hit an aircraft carrier with them, but aircraft carriers aren't going to be the ships trying to lock down their ports or land on their beaches.

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe

Ola posted:

The test pilot stories, and many other stories from aviation advances of that era, is just pure pornography.

Yeah, it's pretty amazing to see guys talk about projects like "well, we wanted to do this so we built that and did it. It shook like a bitch and we killed two guys but it got done".

We're just never gonna be like that again.

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe
The thing on skids is a Sukhoi S-26 prototype.

Awesome, awesome pics.

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe
Those are the same goddamned cupholders the Army trucks have in our GSA sales.

I loving hate those.

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe

NightGyr posted:

Hull loss accident. They had an incident where they spent more to repair the plane rather than write it off just to save their record a few years back.

where is this plane so that I may never fly in it

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe

Sexual Lorax posted:

Going out on a limb here and guessing Australia. :v:


Sorry, Bathurst :(

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe
if that pops up in GBS and they start talking about defections of fighter pilots I swear to God

e- random f4 content video.....I got nothin'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW4Ge7EQyUg

I miss seeing those overhead when I was a kid :(

Seizure Meat fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Nov 17, 2010

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe

Ola posted:

Ok, I'm a big fan of experimental aviation a.k.a. kitplanes. Done right it is one of the finest home engineering hobbies and with easy access to the wealth of knowledge from fellow builders it can truly turn out a wonderful flying machine that puts comparable certified machines to shame.

But this is the complete opposite. This is the most incredible NTSB report on a GA accident I have ever read. Put something soft on your desk, your jaw will be doing multiple drops.
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id=20071120X01821&ntsbno=NYC08FA023&akey=1

quote:

The pilot had installed a fuel filter on the upper pilot side of the firewall prior to the engine being installed. During the installation, the pilot discovered that the filter would not clear one of the diagonal engine mounting tubes, providing the main support for the nose wheel, and removed it. Rather than relocate the filter to another location, the fuel feed line, from the high-pressure fuel pumps, was run through a nylon grommet in the firewall. This penetration, as well as the fuel return line, was at the front of the center tunnel.

The battery and contactor relay location was on top of the high-pressure fuel pumps and next to where the fuel feed line and fuel return line came through the firewall.

there isn't a :wtc: big enough

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe
well that and the USSR collapsing

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe
I agree with you about the edge we gained in the 70's, it's just that the Soviets didn't get a full chance to counter us before they fell. There's no reason to think that they wouldn't have, and Russia is still producing some excellent stuff today. They only held an edge over us for a few years anyway, our stuff was way better in the 50's and early 60's.

e- I think a bigger advantage we gained was our integration of air forces via things like AWACS while the Soviets relied on ground-based control and individual radar systems so powerful they could melt kittens at 20 miles.

e2- plus, our Navy held the seas for the duration in all aspects

Seizure Meat fucked around with this message at 16:12 on Nov 28, 2010

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vSiiE2cyuc

That's a pretty sad video about a pretty awesome composite aircraft.

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe

Helado posted:

http://www.aerosocietychannel.com/aerospace-insight/2010/12/exclusive-qantas-qf32-flight-from-the-cockpit/

An interview with a pilot aboard QF32. Has some pictures taken from the cockpit, on board, and after landing.

This is a great read, thanks.

e - holy poo poo, this is scary

quote:

We were 4,000m down the end of the runway and steps don’t go very fast so it was nearly an hour before we got the first set of stairs to the aircraft and another hour by the time the last passenger departed the aircraft. So it was nearly two hours on the ground with major fuel leaks and engines running.

Seizure Meat fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Dec 10, 2010

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe

Sterndotstern posted:

The only tails that stand out above the surrounding terrain are the C-5s -- those fuckers can be seen from 2-3 miles out.

I work across the street from Stewart ANG and live right in the flight paths going in and out, and C-5s are my loving favorite plane of all time. They aren't glamorous fighters, or anything that special really. You just have to see them flying in person to understand, I guess. Gonna be sad when they switch to the C-17.

I've posted this before but I can't give enough love to the 105th.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwMFIjMPb0E

e- if one of these have never botched a landing and came out of 1000 foot cloud cover over your head a quarter mile away from a runway, you haven't really lived

Seizure Meat fucked around with this message at 14:27 on Jan 6, 2011

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe

Nebakenezzer posted:

A computer sim of an A10 that needs computer hardware much more advanced then the actual A10


this could be the most funny thing in this entire thread

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe

Advent Horizon posted:

If we're going to go for most :patriot: project, I nominate Project Orion. They calculated around one fatal cancer from fallout for every liftoff.

Don't forget the thousands horribly blinded by it.

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe

Itchy_Grundle posted:

Am I nuts for thinking that I saw a Beechcraft Starship yesterday? It looked like one and Wikipedia says that there are 10 still flying as of Jan 2010. This was near Ft. Myers, FL.

If it was, there's a high probability I did the leading edge touchups 10+ years ago.

I loving love Starships :3:

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe

abigserve posted:

Are passenger jets not designed to handle water? I don't know much about planes but that seems ominous.

The water basically knocks out the crucial sensors needed to fly. Usually these are de-iced, this time they weren't for whatever reason.

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Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe
Also gently caress pitot tubes in general, and I have the scar on my scalp to prove it :colbert:

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