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Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

Hej min vän, hur står det till?
honestly it reads as a "if you go on strike, you'll just make things worse" or "strikes are just about making things inconvenient and not about something deeper" than anything, like it's all just a petty nuisance that should have just been solved by going back to the way things are.

there could have been a lesson about making each other's jobs easier by changing their daily behaviors, so the trash isn't so gross or that there's just less of it each week, etc. so he can be justified at his disgust and annoyance, but carry that into solving a fundamental problem.

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Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

Hej min vän, hur står det till?
I've known about the hygiene thing for a while, like that it got so bad the studio had to send him home to clean himself because it was becoming a problem for the people working there.
From the accounts of those I know, it was not a pleasant working environment, and if you're a showrunner that's a really fukken bad example to set. And this isn't something I learned recently, it was poo poo I learned around the release of that final season.

Neeksy fucked around with this message at 02:01 on Jun 18, 2022

Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

Hej min vän, hur står det till?

The 7th Guest posted:

danny phantom's biggest problem is it uses the same animation timing and mickey-moused music as fairly oddparents, so nothing has any weight. if danny is hit by a monster, he comedically slams into a wall, sits still for a second, then slides down with a descending musical riff. which conveys you're not supposed to take any of it seriously, so the action has no stakes to it. it's like the futurama episode where zoidberg's uncle is shouting "why isn't anyone throwing any pies??" granted i only watched the first season, but that was enough to turn me off from it, when there were existing action shows with way better action choreography, cinematography, scoring and, well even comedy (the JLU episode with Flash/Lex swapping bodies was very good). like avatar and danny phantom were airing on the network at the same time, and ATLA of course trumps it on all fronts.

oh man this is almost exactly the same critique I made when the show aired, and I'm so glad to not be alone

another funny thing about phantom is that they hired on stephen silver to do the character designs and then just instead forced him to draw in hartman's flat loving style.

Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

Hej min vän, hur står det till?
I think it's Shinsha, but yeah, they animated a lot of the stuff that people ended up remembering fondly, like the good episodes of Tiny Toons, Animaniacs, DuckTales, etc. and random stuff like Heathcliff and Inspector Gadget were also TMS.

If you remember the lovely animated Tiny Toons, those were done by the Pup Named Scooby Doo studio, Kennedy I think?

Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

Hej min vän, hur står det till?

Mister Beeg posted:

Yeah, the director in question had a "animation has to be wacky at all times" attitude, which might be why he was drawn to Kennedy's output when he was working on the show.

Ah the same thinking that made Princess and the Frog so difficult to watch.

Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

Hej min vän, hur står det till?
To be fair they wrote that the rest of the audience "takes off" instead of "leaves" or "exits". So if you directly translate "take off" one of the definitions that would likely show up is for airplanes.

Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

Hej min vän, hur står det till?
yeah compressing all the other jobs like layout and key animator into the storyboard position has had no terrible consequences whatsoever!

Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

Hej min vän, hur står det till?

Dawgstar posted:

I put that down to his co-showrunner whose name escapes me but had a lot of sitcom experience. I think even with Seinfeld.

Clerk's art style is great, too. The art head went on to do Kim Possible.

That's Steven Silver, I believe. He was also the designer for Danny Phantom but they went "nah just draw in Butch's Style instead" so they completely wasted the opportunity.

Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

Hej min vän, hur står det till?
Also aren't there, like, older sisters? Why is -he- the one that has to manage them? It's really weirdly paternalistic when you think about it.

Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

Hej min vän, hur står det till?
From my readings of these, it feels like the show wants to be both a standard childrens' show but also wants to do some adult animated sitcom stuff which ends up contrasting a lot in terms of tone and general appropriateness. A show that is from a kid's POV and ALSO newspaper-comic blandness as its ultimate aspiration is probably not the place for that kind of thing. It's not Regular Show or Gumball which were far more self-aware metacomedies that bridge the gap between kid and adult sensibilities.

Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

Hej min vän, hur står det till?
so bleach probably is gonna start sucking as soon as it abandons its premise entirely for the pseudo-tournament-arc of the soul society everything, creating one of the worst afterlife premises i've seen.

Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

Hej min vän, hur står det till?
Bloo was one of the most unlikeable characters I have encountered in a show that somehow didn't seem to understand that he was unlikeable.

Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

Hej min vän, hur står det till?

Xelkelvos posted:

You could probably extend that to all sitcom families really. The best ones are those that, even if they'll dump or mock on each other throughout a given episode, if someone else comes in to do the same thing, they're prepared to go scorched earth to defend their family. The family in Malcom in the Middle and the Bundies of Married...with Children come to mind.

Bob's Burgers went so far as to spell that out verbally in a fairly early-on episode.

Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

Hej min vän, hur står det till?
i honestly barely remember that much romance between buster and babs, they did a pretty good job of letting babs have her own desires and whims outside of being in a relationship

Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

Hej min vän, hur står det till?
Yet another show with a problematic creator.

Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

Hej min vän, hur står det till?
He was fired pretty quickly, and the kinder sensibilities were done in SPITE of him, who originally described the main character with the r-word.

Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

Hej min vän, hur står det till?
It was all those things! It was quite a fukken debacle! He had to be escorted from the studio and everything.

Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

Hej min vän, hur står det till?
don't worry she still has that green eggs and ham thing that didn't credit the animators on it

Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

Hej min vän, hur står det till?

I AM GRANDO posted:

It’s the best streaming service. They’re driving it into the ground for no reason.

there's reasons, but they're all terrible and about extracting wealth by amortizing assets.

Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

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Hey Dude showing up was the sign to change the channel for me as a kid.

Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

Hej min vän, hur står det till?
The audio does not feel finalized, but the animation looks a lot better now

Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

Hej min vän, hur står det till?

IShallRiseAgain posted:

The sensible thing to do, is that if you want a property to be a tax write-off, you need to let it enter public domain, but nobody is going to let that happen because they will still want to cling onto IPs they will never use.

They can still put the IPs in their asset pile while still doing the amortization scheme on the movies and series within them. So on paper they get to keep the property value even though they bulldozed the home and salted the earth.

Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

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I hate how they animated his butt-wiggle via just a horizontal transformation, you can see how it just stretches the laces on his shoes from the distortion

Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

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I liked Gravity Falls quite a lot, but I can't go back to it since I know too much about its production and I get sad.

Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

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Yvonmukluk posted:

I've decided to do one a day so I reach to the end at the end of summer as planned. Let the words fall where they may!

I mean I know Hirsch has gone on record he kind of burned himself out given it was his first show, but there's not some other dark behind-the-scenes secrets are there? :ohdear:

He defecated in his office and it got bad enough he had to be sent home for hygiene issues, and from what I had heard from a friend in production it wasn't exactly a fun time for all of them either.
I also had a former classmate who worked on it that I had a falling out with over their kinda elitist attitude towards people struggling in the industry at the time, but that's more of a personal spoilage there.

Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

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Venture Bros. is helped that it's a distinct genre parody of a very specific show, there's not a lot for people to question because for a lot of those kinds of shows, there was never actually any origin story or development. The audience can just accept "this is just how things are" for a while before the writers have to start filling in poo poo on their own. Having to establish that kind of thing from scratch without using the framing of an existing structure is a bit more challenging.

Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

Hej min vän, hur står det till?
and this is coming after the other layoffs at adult swim and such

Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

Hej min vän, hur står det till?
When I was a kid, I didn't really like the kid-oriented sitcoms because they always felt like the kind of show that characters in tv shows and movies would be watching on their tvs, so I wonder just how much of common culture amongst my generation and the next I selected myself out of, and thus these retrospectives kinda fill in some gaps.

Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

Hej min vän, hur står det till?
Honestly the romantic relationship writing in Avatar has never really been all that good, and feels like most of it is the audience filling in the blanks themselves.

Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

Hej min vän, hur står det till?

KittyEmpress posted:

The answer for why/how all air nomads were benders is in the prequel stuff. And yeah, it's that their pure and spiritual society and way of living made it so that they were closer to the spirits, and thus all of their children were born benders.

Bending isn't just genetic, it's spiritual, mystical. Just having Good Genes doesn't mean you're gonna be a bender. And having no benders in the last few generations doesn't mean you wont be one either.

So it's still inborn and someone cannot become a bender if not born one, and the incidence of such is tied to a specific set of cultural practices that are not available to most people?

Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

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mycot posted:

Look if you're itching for Problematic power systems then nothing is as bad as The Incredibles

There's a reason I hate superheroes as a genre – it's stuffed full of things like The Incredibles.

Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

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mycot posted:

The superhero genre would have been greatly improved if this were true :v:

I would vastly prefer my stories not written by libertarians.

Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

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Mr Interweb posted:

you know what was especially insulting about korra? it would have been one thing if the show stopped at like one or two seasons, because then you could at least justify the show being bad cause it was rushed and had a limited amount of time to tell the story.

but it didn't stop there. it got 2 more seasons after, for a grand total of 52 episodes. it got millions of dollars and more time to flesh out the story/plot. it received the kinds of resources most shows would have killed for. and while sure, probably better than the first 2 seasons (very low bar btw), they still managed to waste it :argh:

you know i always wondered about this. if you're going through the effort of creating a 3D movie, reusing assets for a t.v. show seems like a no brainer. but jimmy neutron is one of the few t.v. adaptations that actually seems quite close to the movie. i mean, not a perfect 1:1 translation, sure, but far closer than say, something like penguins of madagascar. and i never really understood why. sure, you might not be allowed the same animation budget per episode as you would with a full movie, but i would think you could at least use high quality models, but a lot of shows don't even do that much.

The kind of rendering environment for a film is different than the kind you'd use for television, and thus you have to adjust your designs and styles accordingly. You're not going to spend all that computer server crunch time for 300 minutes of content vs 120. You also have a different way of rigging things, as a lot of stuff is custom-made for the purposes of a scene or environment.

Additionally your TV and film divisions are not the same people who worked on the film, those people are either all on the current feature projects, or have been sloughed off because the production of the film version ended years before the TV versions were planned.

Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

Hej min vän, hur står det till?
For the movie, the rest of the southern tribe was non-white actors except for the main characters who were white; it was laughably poor execution.

Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

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I mean, saying they're doing it for ratings doesn't, like, undo that they chose to do that.

Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

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The baby plucky episode was quoted a ton when I was a kid, and adults around me found it charming because, well, small kids do that. They get obsessed with flushing stuff.

Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

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Every single review I've watched all has the phrase "Who is this for?".
Every. Single. One.

The other thing that shows up is that Mindy Kaling has some really hosed up issues around her own race, with some referring to her as a 'pick me'.

Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

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Open Source Idiom posted:


FWIW it's not interested in being a show with respectable characters. The cast are oafish, venal, manipulative, stupid... it'a often deployed with some cleverness though, e.g. Velma isn't actually that smart in this, she's bullish, obsessive and prone to conspiratorial thinking (there's a flat earth gag), but everyone treats her as smart because they're all just stupider than her and care less.

That just sounds like an insufferably mean-spirited show.

Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

Hej min vän, hur står det till?

Captain Oblivious posted:

To this day the very mention of Wait Til Your Father Gets Home is enough to make me feel reflexive disappointment and/or dread

God that show was awful

When Family Guy first came out, I thought it was a remake of that show, and nobody understood what I was even referring to.

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Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

Hej min vän, hur står det till?
don't forget kid's next door, an extremely paranoid universe where all adults are out to get you along with an existential ticking clock.

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