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chrix
Jan 3, 2004

Football man, the guy with the football plan





ManoliIsFat posted:

You cant tell me theyre nit totally different cliques. This jump up local dude opened for Limewax and that poppy dude got way scowlled at.

They are DEFINITELY different cliques, there's the crowd that likes the dark growling dnb while there's the liquid puritans who demand the deepest cuts with the oldest soul samples. I guess my point is that the genres are blurring and you can't really peg an artist with one subgenre.

S.P.Y. is a great example. He's done some soulful stuff with Marky, but his ASBO EP was dark as hell.

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Rageaholic
May 31, 2005

Old Town Road to EGOT

Okay, I updated the OP a little to add in some quotes from Auspex's wonderful megapost (as well as a link straight to the post), and I changed around some of my examples too.

Also,

zeldadude posted:

oh my god netsky - secret agent is the best song I've heard this year. Hits the spot reallll good. Oh man.

Thanks so much for this! I hadn't heard anything of Netsky's so far, but I looked up some tracks on YouTube including Secret Agent. Definitely some of the best new DNB stuff I've heard so far this year :)

Count me in for another "can't wait for Netsky's upcoming first album" vote.

zeldadude
Nov 24, 2004

OH SNAP!
I think it'd be cool to see how many goons are in each "clique". I'm a liquid guy so I haven't even heard anything by a lot of the big harder dnb producers. I still like some harder stuff, just prefer my sweet sweet liquid... mmmmmm...

And its my pleasure to introduce more people to Netsky :) Everyone buy the album when it releases! I reaaaallyy wish I lived in the UK sometimes when I see those "every weekend" lineups. Holy poo poo.

A,sl, does anyone know what Logistics is up to lately? Just DJing or is he working on a new album? I didn't really like Crash Bang Wallop, tho eastern promise is huge.

Edit: I know there's a pretty big crossover in fanbases for dubstep and dnb, so if any of you dudes like dubstep I highly recommend Nero - Innocence. Big fuckin track!

zeldadude fucked around with this message at 12:42 on May 27, 2010

infinity2005
Apr 12, 2005
y halo thar lol

chrix posted:

I don't understand why people still try to sub-sub-subgenrelize dnb, a genre of dance music that is so wide and varied. Especially given the direction DnB has gone in the last 2-3 years.

Sure there are differences between a Camo & Krooked track as opposed to an EZ Rollers track compared to a Dillinja track, but each producer doesn't sit down and think: "Hmmm, I think I'm going to make a strictly Techstep track". They create tracks by taking elements from all kinds of different tracks. Hell, sometimes a single producer will have his tracks sorted based on the SAMPLE they use. It's silly to watch people try to compartmentalize DnB based on what they've been exposed to. People STILL fight about what's considered Jungle or what qualifies as Liquid Funk. It's dumb.

Really though its completely well defined there's nothing to argue about, you need subgenres because everyone has their favoured styles. An artist doesn't always have to make only one style to be considered a recommendation, as you say recommending S.P.Y for liquid. I don't think its much to get worked up about, events are commonly one subgenre, labels too etc.

That big write-up misses obvious important poo poo like Goldie - Timeless. Can't just ignore what got dnb to where it is today... labels like Moving Shadow, Good Looking. Actually now i see moving shadow mentioned but i don't get why its there.

feedtheid
Oct 17, 2006

we get it, you're too busy fellating Gabe to put yourself into someone else's shoes

zeldadude posted:

I think it'd be cool to see how many goons are in each "clique". I'm a liquid guy so I haven't even heard anything by a lot of the big harder dnb producers. I still like some harder stuff, just prefer my sweet sweet liquid... mmmmmm...

And its my pleasure to introduce more people to Netsky :) Everyone buy the album when it releases! I reaaaallyy wish I lived in the UK sometimes when I see those "every weekend" lineups. Holy poo poo.

A,sl, does anyone know what Logistics is up to lately? Just DJing or is he working on a new album? I didn't really like Crash Bang Wallop, tho eastern promise is huge.

Edit: I know there's a pretty big crossover in fanbases for dubstep and dnb, so if any of you dudes like dubstep I highly recommend Nero - Innocence. Big fuckin track!

He had a single out not too long ago.

ManoliIsFat
Oct 4, 2002

zeldadude posted:

I think it'd be cool to see how many goons are in each "clique". I'm a liquid guy so I haven't even heard anything by a lot of the big harder dnb producers. I still like some harder stuff, just prefer my sweet sweet liquid... mmmmmm...
I love ragga jungle more than anything. Lots of darkstep and breakcore. I will get down to whatever poppy, jump up poo poo...but I never EVER got in to liquid. I tried, but it just never clicked.

Auspex
Dec 21, 2005
Many Bothans died to bring us this information

infinity2005 posted:

That big write-up misses obvious important poo poo like Goldie - Timeless. Can't just ignore what got dnb to where it is today... labels like Moving Shadow, Good Looking. Actually now i see moving shadow mentioned but i don't get why its there.


Yeah I know I missed out quite a bit of older stuff, will get round to dealing with that at some point or if someone else wants to write about it go for it!


Heres a couple more tunes I've been feeling recently:

S.P.Y. - Favela
http://soundcloud.com/metalheadz/s-p-y-favela-metalheadz

Seba - Never Let You Go
http://soundcloud.com/warm-communications/seba-never-let-you-go-warm017-clip

Rockwell - Full Circle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIbSM2KYBEI

Ulterior Motive - 2098
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7IHEDAcSbc

Xample & Lomax - Link to the Future (starts at around 4:30 in the video. The sound quality is poo poo since its a live recording but you can appreciate just how obscene this tune is from how mental the crowd go)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWWPD6feHKM

Commix - Painted smile
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N3B7F6TYmg

Lenzman ft. Riya - Open Page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkUNYI21urs&feature=related

Dell_Zincht
Nov 5, 2003



zeldadude posted:

I think it'd be cool to see how many goons are in each "clique".

I'm a neurofunk guy (more 'Agro' if we're going by Auspex's guide.) I like my basslines to be dark and heavy.

Think i've posted this before, but it's been one of my favourites for a while:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Waqn0jBG58

MUFFlNS
Mar 7, 2004

I think I got the right thread for this here, but does anybody know what artist this is? I figured the drum & bass thread might be the best place to ask:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDk34PA_zTw

The guy who uploaded the video doesn't know who the artist is unfortunately, and it seems others have asked too. Source is apparently a BBC1 essential mix.

SUBFRIES
Apr 10, 2008

MUFFlNS posted:

I think I got the right thread for this here, but does anybody know what artist this is? I figured the drum & bass thread might be the best place to ask:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDk34PA_zTw

The guy who uploaded the video doesn't know who the artist is unfortunately, and it seems others have asked too. Source is apparently a BBC1 essential mix.

Actually sounds like a breakbeat tune, about 30+ BPM slower than drum'n'bass. I can't ID it, but if there is a breakbeat/breaks thread on here, maybe someone there can. Sounds kind of older though, maybe an Evil Nine track?

Rageaholic
May 31, 2005

Old Town Road to EGOT

Yeah, I don't know what that is. It's too slow to be DNB, but it's got the same kind of bass going on.

Don't know the artist either :( Sorry man!

KcDohl
Jun 18, 2004
LORK ON TEH CLORF
Dinosaur Gum
bweeheehee daaaaaaang
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0maS8Ae1pc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcY6qBgARhg

Maguro
Apr 24, 2006

Why is the sun always bullying me?

Rageaholic Monkey posted:

There's a weekly DNB/jungle night at a local club, and I've been to that a couple times. The tunes spun there were a bit too repetitive for my tastes, and there was barely anyone in attendance the times I went, so I stopped going after a couple times.

I assume you're talking about the Bassbin Safari weekly at the Dragon's Den. If so, shame on you for not coming out more often!

I just got back from it a few hours ago, and the sets tonight were killer. If you dislike the "repetitive"(aka Aggro) Djs, just take a smoke break for a half-hour or so and a proper ragga jungle Dj will take over soon after.

Also, never miss a Dj Proppabear set if you can help it, he plays some of the dirtiest ragga jungle I've ever heard in my life.

Click here for the full 482x720 image.

Rageaholic
May 31, 2005

Old Town Road to EGOT

Yep, that's the one! Proppa Bear's a cool guy and his sets are the best, though out of the few times I went, he only got up there once. I also saw him at Voodoo Fest a couple years ago and he was awesome then too.

Mexican Samurai
Nov 12, 2005

zeldadude posted:

I think it'd be cool to see how many goons are in each "clique". I'm a liquid guy so I haven't even heard anything by a lot of the big harder dnb producers. I still like some harder stuff, just prefer my sweet sweet liquid... mmmmmm...

And its my pleasure to introduce more people to Netsky :) Everyone buy the album when it releases! I reaaaallyy wish I lived in the UK sometimes when I see those "every weekend" lineups. Holy poo poo.

A,sl, does anyone know what Logistics is up to lately? Just DJing or is he working on a new album? I didn't really like Crash Bang Wallop, tho eastern promise is huge.

Edit: I know there's a pretty big crossover in fanbases for dubstep and dnb, so if any of you dudes like dubstep I highly recommend Nero - Innocence. Big fuckin track!

I too had heard very little of Netsky, but there is a song of his that is absolutely blowing my mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHFr-z4b6PY

Man, this is really relaxing. Does anyone know of any other kind of chill Drum N Bass?

EMUpirate
Oct 30, 2002

Koo Koo Ka-Chaw Koo Koo Ka-Chaw

Mexican Samurai posted:

Man, this is really relaxing. Does anyone know of any other kind of chill Drum N Bass?

There's tons by lots of different producers, so there's not necessarily a "chill-n-bass" style. Here's a few examples...

The Upbeats feat. Jess Chambers - Through the Night
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhphZTi1Qvk

Normally you think of fast paced, aggressive, darkish dnb when you see The Upbeats associated with something. The whole Big Skeleton album is a nice mix of dancefloor tunes and unexpected bits.


London Elektricity - Just One Second (Apex Remix)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGNDlLiVBK0&feature=related

We don't even need to discuss how great LE or Apex are, so you know the remix is great.


Alix Perez & Sabre - Solitary Native
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfFsQFuTbxU&feature=related

This song. I love this loving tune. The flipside "Old Flame" is good poo poo too.


EDIT: I came to add Bop to that list, but I feel like enough people would argue me down that Bop isn't even drum and bass. To that, I say I don't really care, I feel like Bop has and is having an interesting influence on dnb that it hasn't really had before. So here you go...

Bop - Tears Of A Lonely Metaphysician
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6IRqCA1nfM&feature=related

There was a Bop remix EP recently released on Med School. http://www.iambop.com/releases/medic19/

I could post a bunch of other stuff but I'm not sure if it fits in what you consider "chill drum and bass", I assume that's different for everyone. Also is it safe to assume not a lot of people are into drumfunk?

As for what I'm into, kinda like Manoli but I fluctuate a lot. I used to be really into breakcore and darkstep while bordering on liquid. Now I'm more about liquid and whatever else I think sounds good or fun, nothing cheezy though. I love me a good ragga tune every now and then, even the ones that turn into crazy drill poo poo. I haven't been out to a dnb event in over a year now and I hate it. Everything is focused on dubstep down here, even the ATL cats that were nothing but dnb and jungle rarely have a dnb guy down. Nashville never really had a cohesive enough scene to keep events going for more than a short while so everything there is random as hell. If I sound a bit bitter I'm not, okay well maybe I am, but I do like UK Funky stuff and a bit of Wonky dubsteps as well as a host of other types of music both clubbish and not.

EMUpirate fucked around with this message at 08:47 on May 29, 2010

Rageaholic
May 31, 2005

Old Town Road to EGOT

EMUpirate posted:

There's tons by lots of different producers, so there's not necessarily a "chill-n-bass" style. Here's a few examples...

The Upbeats feat. Jess Chambers - Through the Night
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhphZTi1Qvk

Normally you think of fast paced, aggressive, darkish dnb when you see The Upbeats associated with something. The whole Big Skeleton album is a nice mix of dancefloor tunes and unexpected bits.

drat, this is awesome! Wasn't aware they came out with another album after Nobody's Out There. If the rest of the album sounds like this, I'm gonna have to check it out ASAP.

Everything you posted is great, really. I love that London Elektricity track too.

D.Kay is pretty chill too. I think I've already mentioned him in here, but in case I haven't, he's got kind of a jazz fusion/DNB crossover thing going on for the most part:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kI0q8KKHlus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-DPtRp8Dec

He's only got one album out that I know of (Individual Soul), but it's real solid and you should definitely check it out if you're looking for chiller DNB.

zeldadude
Nov 24, 2004

OH SNAP!

EMUpirate posted:

London Elektricity - Just One Second (Apex Remix)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGNDlLiVBK0&feature=related

We don't even need to discuss how great LE or Apex are, so you know the remix is great.

Original is better. :colbert: The original is one of my favorite dnb songs. So good.

esselfortium
Jul 19, 2006

Cumulonimbus Antagonistic Posting
Hey folks. I've got a recently-finished song here, and I'm not really sure which genre/subgenre would classify it. I figured this thread would probably be a good place to ask.

I've just thought of it as some sort of melodic, atmospheric dnb, but from skimming through this thread, for all I know even that vague descriptor might be at odds with what more experienced drum and bass listeners would call it. I don't really keep up with the specifics, and I generally suck at describing my own music anyway!

If anybody'd be interested in helping classify it, whether it be genre/subgenre or general descriptions you think would be fitting, the song's called "Zwei" and is on the youtubes here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BScGkoKnInM&fmt=18

Hopefully it's not out of line for me to post this here.

Thanks!

Anae
Apr 23, 2008
New mix, straight outta Bristol town. I like the opportunity to share this with you lovely 'merkins as it's a fairly decent snapshot of what's good over here at the moment, minus wobble and stuff that's a bit too beard-strokey to fit in a normal mix. Enjoy guys!

http://soundcloud.com/aerialbristol/aerial-may-mix

Phace - Strange Science [Shogun]
>> Bad Company - The Nine [BCUK]
Spor - Halogen
DJ SS - Black (Bladerunner Remix) [Formation]
Total Science & S.P.Y - Gangsta [Shogun]
Break - Let It Happen VIP [Shogun]
>> DJ Marky & XRS - LK [V Records]
Calibre - Steptoe [Signature]
Top Cat - Ruffest Gun Ark (Chase & Status Remix) [Streetlife]
Netsky - I Refuse [Spearhead]
Camo & Krooked - Turn Up The Music [Hospital]
Lenzman - Fade Away [Soul:r]
Kabuki ft. Jenna G - Just Hold On (Serum Remix) [V Records]
>> DJ Die - Clear Skyz (Break Remix) [Clear Skyz]
Cyantific - Hong Kong Express [Hospital]
Culture Shock - Bad Red [Ram]
Logistics - Blackout [Hospital]
>> Fresh - Heavyweight [Digital Soundboy]
Sonic - Piano Anthem [Hospital]
>> Q Project - Ask Not VIP [C.I.A]
S.P.Y - The Boy Who Cried Wolf [31]
Rockwell - My War [Shogun]
Nymfo - Matchstick [Commercial Suicide]
>> Lynx - Disco Dodo [Creative Source]
Artificial Intelligence & dBridge - Three's A Crowd [V Records]
>> S.P.Y - Dark Age [C.I.A]
Marky & S.P.Y - Riff Raff [Digital Soundboy]
>> Shy FX & T-Power - Feelings [Digital Soundboy]
Noisia - Shellshock [Vision]
Ulterior Motive - Featherweight [Subtitles]
Noisia & Phace - Floating Zero [Invisible]
Spor - Kingdom [Lifted]
Noisia - Deception [Ram]
>> Apex - Gonzo [Lifted]
Rockwell - Full Circle [Shogun]
Jubei - Alignment [Metalheadz]
Sabre & Ulterior Motive - Barefoot [Critical]
Icicle - Mnml Funk [Shogun]
Spor - Kaori [Lifted]

Anae fucked around with this message at 21:38 on May 30, 2010

Sultan of Swing
Mar 3, 2008

by Ozma
I just wanted to thank whoever recommended High Contrast - Tough Guy's Don't Dance. I've been listening to it non-stop since I picked it up. Forever and a Day is loving amazing.

feedtheid
Oct 17, 2006

we get it, you're too busy fellating Gabe to put yourself into someone else's shoes
I'm gonna go ahead and say it was literally every person in this thread

Anae posted:

New mix, straight outta Bristol town. I like the opportunity to share this with you lovely 'merkins as it's a fairly decent snapshot of what's good over here at the moment, minus wobble and stuff that's a bit too beard-strokey to fit in a normal mix. Enjoy guys!


Also the fact that people are STILL mixing tracks out of TGDD, as evidenced by his mix, I think is a pretty good statement as to its lasting power. Also it's awesome when you can pick tracks out of mixes that you know. Just a little extra oomph when you hear the beat get mixed in.

feedtheid fucked around with this message at 03:35 on May 31, 2010

EMUpirate
Oct 30, 2002

Koo Koo Ka-Chaw Koo Koo Ka-Chaw

Anae posted:

New mix.

Woah, great tracks in this mix old and new! It's stuff like this that really makes me miss good dnb events! Yea, I'm loving this!

Anae
Apr 23, 2008

feedtheid posted:

Also the fact that people are STILL mixing tracks out of TGDD, as evidenced by his mix, I think is a pretty good statement as to its lasting power. Also it's awesome when you can pick tracks out of mixes that you know. Just a little extra oomph when you hear the beat get mixed in.

If We Ever literally never gets old. It's great to tease as well, 50% of the crowd goes crazy when you bring in the vocal sample and the other 50% go crazy when the piano comes in. It's like clockwork.

EMUpirate posted:

Woah, great tracks in this mix old and new! It's stuff like this that really makes me miss good dnb events! Yea, I'm loving this!

Wicked, that's exactly what I want to hear!

feedtheid
Oct 17, 2006

we get it, you're too busy fellating Gabe to put yourself into someone else's shoes
If I had ever burned TGDD and left it in the CD changer it my car, that'd make one more album (two from Moneen being the other two) that I just never take out and end up having to swap around the other three to make work.

Mexican Samurai
Nov 12, 2005

Sultan of Swing posted:

I just wanted to thank whoever recommended High Contrast - Tough Guy's Don't Dance. I've been listening to it non-stop since I picked it up. Forever and a Day is loving amazing.

I agree totally, Forever and a Day might be my favorite Drum N Bass song of all time, since it got me into the genre. I also think it's highly underrated, but I can't wait until High Contrast drops his next album later this year.

Just for you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDkmGKa-GDw

Mexican Samurai fucked around with this message at 08:02 on Jun 1, 2010

chrix
Jan 3, 2004

Football man, the guy with the football plan





Mexican Samurai posted:

I agree totally, Forever and a Day might be my favorite Drum N Bass song of all time, since it got me into the genre. I also think it's highly underrated, but I can't wait until High Contrast drops his next album later this year.

I'm actually a little scared for HC's new album. He's gone downhill since High Society (TGDD did have a couple good tracks, but the release was "meh" to me). Not saying I don't play his tracks out, they're just not as creative as they used to be.

With the way hospital-style dnb is moving, I feel like HC might make everyone take a collective step backward because guys like Netsky are bringing a completely new sound to the table and HC may have hit a creative brick wall.

example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=203FfH4ODPM

vs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXiiq0dvMu4

I know I'm probably in the minority, but TGDD just had an extra layer of cheese that didn't click with me.

Rageaholic
May 31, 2005

Old Town Road to EGOT

Speaking of Netsky, apparently his debut self-titled album is officially out!

It's available to purchase on Hospital Records' website.

chrix
Jan 3, 2004

Football man, the guy with the football plan





Rageaholic Monkey posted:

Speaking of Netsky, apparently his debut self-titled album is officially out!

It's available to purchase on Hospital Records' website.

I caught up on the hospital podcasts while mowing this weekend and it seems there are a few goodies included in the official release that were not on the leaked version. (new track: Pirate Bay :lol: and a dj mix)

edit: there's also a music video of his track "Iron Heart"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCC_AvmHpR4

Mexican Samurai
Nov 12, 2005

chrix posted:

I'm actually a little scared for HC's new album. He's gone downhill since High Society (TGDD did have a couple good tracks, but the release was "meh" to me). Not saying I don't play his tracks out, they're just not as creative as they used to be.

With the way hospital-style dnb is moving, I feel like HC might make everyone take a collective step backward because guys like Netsky are bringing a completely new sound to the table and HC may have hit a creative brick wall.

example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=203FfH4ODPM

vs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXiiq0dvMu4

I know I'm probably in the minority, but TGDD just had an extra layer of cheese that didn't click with me.

I would have to disagree entirely. I love the fact that High Contrast brought some of old school jungle back in Tough Guys Don't Dance. I feel that each album is different enough from each other that I can see why some people might not like his new stuff compared to his older stuff and vice versa.

Mexican Samurai fucked around with this message at 21:52 on Jun 1, 2010

WanderingKid
Feb 27, 2005

lives here...
Man after I sold my decks and took a break from spinning dnb 3 or 4 years back I realise I know nothing now. I remember posting ages ago in one of the old threads and back then I was one upping Renegade Hardware and all that post No U Turn stuff which was all the rage back in the early noughties. Weird how times change.

I don't even know what Neurofunk is...

From that setlist above the only names I really know are Die, Total Science and Bad Company. The Nine is one of the shittest BC tunes btw. :colbert:

WanderingKid fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Jun 1, 2010

Longtiem
Feb 9, 2010

Rageaholic Monkey posted:


D.Kay is pretty chill too. I think I've already mentioned him in here, but in case I haven't, he's got kind of a jazz fusion/DNB crossover thing going on for the most part:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kI0q8KKHlus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-DPtRp8Dec

He's only got one album out that I know of (Individual Soul), but it's real solid and you should definitely check it out if you're looking for chiller DNB.

He did a mix for a podcast a while back.

http://www.reprisemusicgroup.com/agency/audio/podcast/reprise_podcast.xml

He's the third one. (003)

feedtheid
Oct 17, 2006

we get it, you're too busy fellating Gabe to put yourself into someone else's shoes
Bought Netsky's album without any hesitation. It's great.

Anae
Apr 23, 2008

WanderingKid posted:

The Nine is one of the shittest BC tunes btw. :colbert:

Huge lie. You must have heard it played out; it's a wall of sound. The bassline is so sinister, it's like going through a dark winding tunnel.

SUBFRIES
Apr 10, 2008

Mentioned this in the dubstep thread, as originally I was booked to play a smaller stage, but I am opening at Starscape this year. Just found out today I'm opening the drum'n'bass stage, so if you're coming out and coming out pretty much at the beginning, I'll be there:

chrix
Jan 3, 2004

Football man, the guy with the football plan





SUBFRIES posted:

Mentioned this in the dubstep thread, as originally I was booked to play a smaller stage, but I am opening at Starscape this year. Just found out today I'm opening the drum'n'bass stage, so if you're coming out and coming out pretty much at the beginning, I'll be there:



daaaaamn, dude. NICE! Wish I didn't live so far, seeing Dirtyphonics live is definitely on my bucketlist and you get to share a drat stage with them. Fuckin proper!

feedtheid
Oct 17, 2006

we get it, you're too busy fellating Gabe to put yourself into someone else's shoes
How the hell do you dance for 16 hours my god my legs would fall off

EMUpirate
Oct 30, 2002

Koo Koo Ka-Chaw Koo Koo Ka-Chaw

feedtheid posted:

How the hell do you dance for 16 hours my god my legs would fall off

:lsd:





BIG stuff SubFries!

Sigma is coming to Nashville Friday, not sure what his sets are like though anybody seen him? I'd really just like to hear an entire night of liquid funk or something with minimal jump-up if at all possible.

Rageaholic
May 31, 2005

Old Town Road to EGOT

I'm loving the hell out of Netsky's album. Most exciting DNB release for me in a long time :)

It's very, very sick.

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feedtheid
Oct 17, 2006

we get it, you're too busy fellating Gabe to put yourself into someone else's shoes
Agree.

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