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NOTinuyasha
Oct 17, 2006

 
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sbaldrick posted:

This might be a weird question, but do the headlight wipers on a Volvo do anything. I've never seen them move.

Once I saw lines in the dirt that indicated they magically moved at some point at least a few days prior, but I couldn't figure out how it happened. I always assumed they were broken.

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NOTinuyasha
Oct 17, 2006

 
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Sviatoslav posted:

So far I've learned that you can fix the ABS module on the 850 with ease if you aren't a little bitch about it, like I was at the beginning. After a while I was just thought "gently caress it, if it breaks I'll buy a new one" and broke some plastic, but got the thing apart. It will all cover up with glue later from what I've seen in pictures on Matt's Volvo Site.

Test it before gluing it back together. I tried to do the fix myself, but it didn't work. I went back and redid the soldering like 3 times. I sent the same unit to a professional and he got it working, and resealed it nice too. That was $40 from eBay, it's still working good a year later.

NOTinuyasha
Oct 17, 2006

 
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What would cause the odometer on my 96 850 to just stop moving? Both the trip meter and the total meter, it doesn't even seem like they're trying to move. I know sort of exactly where it stopped, an area with really really lovely roads and some of the worst potholes I've hit in a while.

NOTinuyasha
Oct 17, 2006

 
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deratomicdog posted:

So I am told I need a new ac compressor, and was quoted 800 bucks. How hard is this to do on an 850? I've never worked on an ac system before.

Buying a rebuilt one myself (160 on eBay) and getting it installed was 500 total, and I'm sure you could get cheaper labor then I did. Spending twice that much to put a brand new one in a car filled with ancient everything and crumbling electronics didn't make a lot of sense, especially given that the entire AC system is known for being prone to annoying issues like evap core rot. The rebuilt one looked new and works great. 500 dollars got me a nice ride with AC for at least one summer and that's what I wanted, but the system is leaking from somewhere, and it remains to be seen how fast exactly...

From what I read, compressors are tough to replace in 850s and you probably need to drain and charge it properly before and after. I couldn't even find the it in my Haynes guide.

NOTinuyasha fucked around with this message at 15:16 on May 8, 2010

NOTinuyasha
Oct 17, 2006

 
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pete0r posted:

Sigh, I took my 95 855t in today because the AC was randomly shutting off. It sounds like it's a relay or something electrical, because when I can get the compressor on it stays on and works well.

This happened on the 850 I have. When I bought it, the AC would randomly shut off, it got worse over time to the point of just clicking on and off. I gave the clutch power directly (I think the plug is on the top left of the engine bay?) and no go. When I engaged the clutch manually with a stick it worked fine. Turns out the clutches tend to wear out on the 850 compressors, so I bought a rebuilt one on ebay for 160 and had it installed for 300 or so. Better then a new evap core, though mine has a very slow leak too.

NOTinuyasha
Oct 17, 2006

 
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Blower blown?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGNldpwOQxY

NOTinuyasha
Oct 17, 2006

 
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Minkee posted:

Probably would be faster. It starts first crank, has ac, and runs fine. Just found a gas leak on the tank, front strut blown, needs a drivers seat, blinker lenses, an oil line has to be replaced, a top motor mount, and a few interior bits here and there. We won't talk about the body right now.

It runs fine, but its really such a piece.

That's an enormous list for a $1000 car. Good luck I guess! I treat mine with ridiculous care and drive like the old lady I bought it from, and it's still needed a fair amount of work, I can't imagine what one of these would look like after years of under-maintenance.

deratomicdog posted:

I think the front end on my 850 is sagging. I assumed the springs were worn out but a friend told me it might also be my shocks. Whatcha think?

I assumed sagging is always springs, might be wrong. I've been deferring the rears on mine for a while, it's probably sagging a little bit, and all the shocks are completely shot, the fronts are creaking now too. I've been doing a lot of city driving which is accelerating the issue, also cracked my radiator. I'm trying to avoid the dreaded costing-more-then-payments-on-a-new-car zone. I'm about to hit the one year anniversary, put 20k on my 96 850 (now with >180k), spend 1.5k on repairs, including new AC compressor, pads/rotors, gas tank evap lines (failed inspection over this), and I still have a pile of minor deferred stuff waiting for justification, odometer gear, blown trunk pistons, leaking steering rack, blower motor starting to grind...

NOTinuyasha
Oct 17, 2006

 
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peanutbutterunicorn posted:

See, as long as I don't turn the car off, the AC runs fine. When I do restart and it blows warm, I just leave it off and right before I am drowning in my sweat (about 20 minutes) I would flip it back on and it would blow cool. Sometimes.

Does the compressor actually engage? I had the same issue with my 96 850, the AC clutch was worn to the point that'd it would disengage when it warmed up, but letting it cool for a few minutes would get it going again, only to disengage a minute later, but maybe yours could be worn to the point that it'll keep going if engaged while cool but wont engage if it's already hot? You can give it juice directly right from the engine compartment, bypassing the relay (which could also be bad), and you can try to engage it manually with a big stick, but if giving it power directly is a no-go you probably want a new compressor. I bought a remanufactured one for something like $160 and had it installed for $300.

NOTinuyasha
Oct 17, 2006

 
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So my 96 850 with 185k has had a slow power steering leak at least since buying it a year ago, I never refilled it once until this last week when the steering felt like it was rubbing, the fluid was way low so I filled it with stop leak fluid, a few days later it's gone again, refilled, and the next day it's gone. Should I try something else with stop leak or should I just give in and have a rebuilt rack installed?

NOTinuyasha
Oct 17, 2006

 
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Does anyone else with an 850 have trouble with weird electrical faults in the rain?

Usually after going through a small puddle my dash will light up like a christmas tree and the power steering will fail, but the car still runs fine headlights/radio work fine, after about 5-20 seconds I'll hear squealing for a second, the lights go away and the power steering reengages.

NOTinuyasha
Oct 17, 2006

 
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LloydDobler posted:

Your belt's getting wet and slipping, so your alternator is shutting down as well as the power steering.

Get a new serpentine belt and tensioner. Also get whatever air guides under your bumper are missing and bolt them back on. They help air flow and keep the engine clean, and also protect your serp belt.

Ugh I don't want to do this but whatever. The P.O. kept good service records and the serp belt was replaced like 100k ago so I guess it's due. The air guide should be super cheap to have installed. How can I tell it's gone?

NOTinuyasha
Oct 17, 2006

 
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8ender posted:

My experience is that any dedicated winter tire is going to be better than an all-season. You get progressively better handling, wear and less road noise if you spend more money. Hell I had some super cheap-o generic Walmart winter tires that managed to pull my Escort wagon through two feet of snow but sounded like I was running 33" mud tires on tarmac.

I ordered 4 x Pirelli Winter 190 Snowcontrol tires from tirerack for $300 shipped, it's supposed to be quiet, good performance especially for the money. I drove with Kumho-something all seasons last winter and it sucked. I couldn't -ever- get up my parent's driveway, and I got stuck over and over when I went skiing up in Vermont. The 850's trac control was useless for getting out of drifts. The ABS did it's job so at least I wasn't worried about hitting anything, but it's still a heavy car. I didn't use winter mode, the blogosphere claims it destroys the transmission, and it didn't seem to help the few times I tried it anyway.

Speaking of the transmission, the internet also claims the ATM in the 850 (and other lines) is unreliable and tends to go past 150k, which worries me, mine has the original tranny at 184k, I bought it from the original owner - an old lady who owned a knitting shop (really) - and now I drive the poo poo out of it, tons of NYC stop-n-go warfare and now I put in at least 1000 miles a month through upstate NY. I've been reading about swapping in a transmission cooler to compensate, if anyone has any input on that...

NOTinuyasha
Oct 17, 2006

 
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Splizwarf posted:

Wait, the 850 doesn't have one? I honestly figured all Volvos from that era did. My 740s do. Do it; while you're in there, put an inline filter, a flow+pressure meter and a thermostat on the return line.

I know that when I bought a new radiator for it, the thing had transmission cooler lines, which I had to buy extra clamps or whatever for to pinch off. For the life of me I can't find specifics on the turbo/non-turbo transmission cooling. But basically I wanted to install an aftermarket transmission cooler, the same kind usually used for towing, with the justification that I drive it harder then most people do.

NOTinuyasha
Oct 17, 2006

 
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zenless posted:

drat, ABS/TRAC lights came on today (and now won't go off), when the Trac button accidentally got hit. I'm poo poo at soldering, anyone get a module from 'Matty Moo' on Volvospeed?

edit: Nevermind that, at least for now. Pulling the fuse (which wasn't blown) and putting it back in cleared it somehow.

ABS units from the 90s are all crap but the 850 units are also preety bad and guaranteed to fail after a few years, intermittently then completely. I pulled mine and posted about it in the old thread but I wouldn't recommend even opening it. Get it rebuilt by ebay on the cheap or pay a premium for the community go-to guy Victor.

Oxphocker posted:

TRACS is traction control...automatic braking to stop wheel slip.

Specifically it brakes on the side where it detects slipping, it's similar to the ABS braking and you can tell it's working by that faint marbles-spilling-on-wood (fine, YOU tell me what it sounds like) noise made by the motor. It's not that useful, sometimes disabling it actually helped get out of snow drifts or up slippery hills.

NOTinuyasha fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Sep 28, 2010

NOTinuyasha
Oct 17, 2006

 
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Oxphocker posted:

Oh I know...I've experienced it first hand in a 98 S70. I agree though, it's hit or miss sometimes on how effective it is. After driving a rear wheel drive car as my first car..sometimes I miss the more predictable slide pattern. FWD slides are just annoying, RWD slides can be fun and useful.

Any kind of sliding is bad to me, my first car was a 98 7-series but it had very hardcore snow tires and sandbags in the trunk and that was my dad's doing so I don't know the pros/cons. My experience with my 850 (and presumably the S70) is that it gets stuck easily in drifts and has a lot of trouble on icy hills. In the same theme, it's good at not moving in ways you don't want it to (sliding, lockups) so it's more annoying then dangerous. That didn't stop me from using it as a skiing beater but it got stuck everywhere, I had to drive around with a bucket of dirt and shovels to get out of 1ft deep salt+slush pits in parking lots. At least it doesn't rust.

NOTinuyasha
Oct 17, 2006

 
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Can I Phaser You posted:

I went ahead and took it in today and they told me that the codes told them that 3 cylinders were misfiring. They replaced the spark plugs, distributer cap, and did a fuel and air service.

When I got there to pay, the guy told me "oh yeah we've got it running like a dream. Now because of the type of fuel cleaner we used, you may notice the check engine light come back on, but just give it awhile to get it through its system."

670 dollars later, as I'm turning out of the place, the check engine light comes back on and it still idles rough. Literally no difference. Any ideas?

They basically didn't know the cause but used it as an excuse to rape you on some routine maintenance, you could have said no right there, and why didn't you didn't turn right back in when the problem reoccurred? That's like a how-could-you-possibly-be-that-clueless horror story, or you have a lot of money to blow.

NOTinuyasha
Oct 17, 2006

 
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Can I Phaser You posted:

Basically my main question is: how many potential issues could possibly be causing the cylinders to misfire? I don't want to keep taking it back to these assholes and it never get fixed. Even if they offer to make good and do something additional for no charge, it is a huge logistical pain for me. I would rather just write it off as hosed if that's the case. But if there are only a couple of other things it could be, I would consider taking it back or possibly taking it somewhere else.

Mass air sensor, oxygen sensor, crank position sensor, vacuum leak, plug wire rot, fuel filter, exhaust vales, plugged cat... it's a complicated car and everything outside the drivetrain is prone to failure, cylinder misfire is a lovely problem cause it could mean a ton of things.

Unplug the MAF, that puts the 850 into limp mode, if it runs better, that narrows it down to sensors, probably, which is preety useful for a mechanic. Limp mode makes it run only marginally worse then normal so it'll either stay the same or get better. The MAF plug looks like this:

http://volvospeed.com/Pics/repairpics/afterjune01/MAFtr.jpg

Good luck with the 850, it's a nice car but it has a few problems, mine started stalling randomly a year ago and I spent hours in a junkyard and on the internet before finally fixing it.

Edit: you said it idled bad? Try the idle air control valve, maybe get used one express shipped from ebay and see if that fixes it. You could also have the throttle body cleaned.

NOTinuyasha fucked around with this message at 07:58 on Oct 5, 2010

NOTinuyasha
Oct 17, 2006

 
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I'm not an expert but the general impression I've gotten is that 850s are solid cars that tend to suffer nightmarish electrical problems that typical mechanics aren't too great at diagnosing. Every visible wire on my 850 is cracking and splits at touch, every time I move something with a wire I end up wrapping it in electrical tape. All the rubber vacuums look lovely too. Too bad. I tried to get a stalling problem fixed but I was very clear that I needed a solid diagnosis, the first mechanic drove it for a few days and gave it back with the honest excuse that he'd have no choice but to rape me since he had no idea, the second Volvo guy wanted to put in a junk crankshaft sensor and ECU from parts cars on his lot, we agreed I'd only pay for parts if the fix didn't work, I left the car in his care for him to drive around, it acted up (and eventually wouldn't start at all) paid $130 for what amounted to days of labor.

NOTinuyasha
Oct 17, 2006

 
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Xovaan posted:

How fast were you going? And only silver ones are. :v:

I have two speeding tickets and one turn on red in the past two years, all in my silver 850.

NOTinuyasha
Oct 17, 2006

 
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Speaking of belts, the drive (axillary, serpentine, whatever) belt system on my 850 is in terrible condition, the (100k+ old) belt slips in the rain and the tensioner is wobbling, I want to order the parts but I don't really understand what I need.

I'm seeing an accessory belt tensioner assembly but do I just need the pulley itself? Is there anything else I need (besides the belt)?

NOTinuyasha
Oct 17, 2006

 
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sbaldrick posted:

Started pulling apart the engine today...way, way worse then I thought it was. So the Volvo goes to the great scrap pile in the sky.

On the plus side, for some reason I'm getting like 300 dollar scrap price offers.

Was it in such bad condition, replacing the head gasket wasn't worth it?

NOTinuyasha
Oct 17, 2006

 
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Ether Frenzy posted:

Yeah, it's highly recommended you not push the trip odometer reset button on the older units when the car is in motion, specifically the 240/850 (presumably the 740/940 as well)... the plastic gears are kind of lovely in there and that's one easy way to break it completely.

Mine broke on a bad pothole in Manhattan, it stopped ticking at 182420k and has hasn't moved at all in like 10 thousand miles now, I bought the gear but it's a major hassle to replace it and my neglected 850 has a bunch of worse problems I've just been dealing with till I have access to a garage and some free time. I just hope it isn't electrical or something, backlights have been slowly going out on my dash as well...

NOTinuyasha
Oct 17, 2006

 
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So I put a new blower motor in my 850, that went fine but while I was working these two parts fell out



I have no idea where they fell from or where they go!

NOTinuyasha
Oct 17, 2006

 
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the poi posted:

The big plastic guy connects to the passenger footwell heater duct. It has three clips around the perimeter and it just pushes on. Got a better pic of the other thing?

Got it, figured out where the duct went. As for the hockey puck thing, I figured out it was a speaker magnet when I put it on my external hard drive and couldn't pull it off. It also says '8 ohm' on it so now I feel stupid.

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NOTinuyasha
Oct 17, 2006

 
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I found an '88 740, I want it as a city beater to save my C300 from getting destroyed by street parking stupidity. I couldn't test the A/C because the slider was jammed. The dash looks like a fjord, the paint is terrible, the brakes were probably bad (though I managed to lock them up) but otherwise it runs and drives fine. The guy was willing to do $500.

The seat seems really high, I'm only 6' and I've never had this issue. Is this a 'thing' about these cars?

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