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Orange Carebear posted:TBH, even if he had just had West be injured but clearly recovering I would have felt a lot better I thought that West lived. At least, there's no clear indication that he died. I hope  .All my excitement for the Mountain that Eat's latest work has now gone into this Heroes of Abercrombie's.
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But remember that bit at the end of Kings? The one where Glokta and Luthar discuss making things better for the common man and stuff as best they can without Bayaz getting wind of it? All I'm saying is that Glokta isn't entirely a twisted evil little parody of a man. And show me the part where West dies, I challenge you. Oh, it's heavily hinted at, but even if magic=radiation, I'm not convinced that he was exposed enough to bite it. I don't think Bayaz said that the entire population of Aulcus died even if a lot of them did. I will find my silver lining you bastards!!! edit: also it's fun to use spoiler tags so it looks like whatever you're saying is really interesting, especially when it's not.
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cheese posted:(remember that the eaters/Hundred Words reveal that they hate themselves and live in agony of their crimes)[/spoiler] I agree with most of that but this one little quibble. Sure, some are all angsty, but others are like, "gently caress yeah! I eat human flesh and therefore have superpowers!" There's one thing about the Eaters, though. If cannibalism gives you super-powers/magical abilities and the people in this world are a bunch of assholes, then what's stopping the whole planet from devolving into a cannibalistic nightmare? Either there's some special, Khalul's-boyz-only process that gives you super-mega-eater abilities or Bayaz isn't quite as outright evil as he seems. At least he isn't using Eaters en masse.
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May 13, 2010 04:28
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FINISH THE BOOK, JOE! oh, wait I had the same thought the other day. This guy is like nonfat Gurm.
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May 16, 2010 07:10
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The Crooked Warden posted:And NEVER have I seen a character I wanted to strangle as much as arrogant loving Morveer.  . Totally fits the bill. Hell, when you throw in Friendly you've got the whole autistic spectrum represented.
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That last bit there's fascinating. All the spirits have been disappearing, and with Logen out of the picture for now (I wouldn't count the bastard dead yet), there's no one can talk to them. And this Bedesh fellow who was given one throwaway line in... The Blade Itself? He's the spirit guy. You've stumbled on either something absolutely gigantic or this series' biggest red herring, keiran_helcyan.
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Sep 3, 2010 08:59
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Evfedu posted:Logen had a fantastic arc that pretty much encompassed everything you needed to know about him except: "Who is his dad" and maybe a clearer explanation of his berserking. Is this a spoiler from the first four books or The Heroes? I want to read it but don't know if I should. 
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Oct 1, 2010 19:21
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Have any of you guys read The Steel Remains by Richard K. Morgan? It's pretty dark, too.
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Nov 15, 2010 19:53
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PopetasticPerson posted:My name is Nicomo Cosca, famed soldier of fortune, and I am here for dinner. I don't know how to say this without spoiling something, but keep reading, man .edit: and don't get too attached to Shivers because he tries to betray Murcatto and it's less satisfying than you might think. Grand Prize Winner fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Dec 9, 2010 |
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Dec 9, 2010 22:33
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I'd really like to see a "dark" fantasy thread, but haven't really read enough for a solid OP. I can only think of three, and they've already been posted here: GRRM, Superior Joey, and Mieville. I'd really like to expand my knowledge of this subgenre. Does Jack Vance count? His Dying Earth stories can get pretty grim, but he leans towards wordiness. What about Harold Lamb? He wrote adventure fiction in the teens and twenties, but a lot of it was semi-fantastical and the samples that I've read seem about as hardboiled as Abercrombie.
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Jan 2, 2011 07:10
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Forget Ice and Fire, I want to see an HBO series of these so hard. I think they're the only company that wouldn't try to sugar-coat it.
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Jan 10, 2011 07:36
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How is what happened to her all that much of a negative? I mean, plenty of definitely worse things than being married to a bedshitting cripple could be arranged for a king's former lover. They may even have something near a functional relationship. I really, really hope West isn't dead. He's imperfect but dying of goddamn radiation poisoning is no way for someone of his caliber to go. I hope/suspect we'll see more from him as some kind of reaaaaally crippled high commander. edit: spoiled dat poo poo edit2: who plays J. dan Luthar in the imaginary HBO miniseries? I say Orlando Bloom only without any fake English accent. Christopher Lee is of course Bayaz. A man can dream, right?
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Jan 11, 2011 04:56
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Maybe it was a good thing, in the end. Sure he's a physical wreck and has some psychological issues (big understatement), but Arch Lector Glokta is well capable of protecting her and she apparently had a thing for him before he was all crippled and horrible, and apparently still liked him enough to tolerate his company afterward. Not exactly a match made in heaven, but probably better than being the King's mistress or penniless on the street or having to deal with an abusive brother. Sure, West hated himself for it, but that doesn't mean he'd stop hitting her if he hadn't gotten microwaved.
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Jan 11, 2011 05:04
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Does Ninefingers show up? I don't want any more detail than that, just a 'yes' or 'no,' please.
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Jan 30, 2011 09:02
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I got mine wedensday. Really weird, since Amazon UK was originally telling me it wouldn't ship 'till the 15th or so. Just finished, haven't really had time to digest it but if you've got questions I'll try to answer 'em without spoilers. paraphrased: "It's the Bloody-nine!" "No it isn't, he's dead!" The Dogman stabs a bitch, and says "AAAAAGH it's the Bloody-Nine!" and then all Dow's skirmishers fuckin' bolt. In conclusion the Dogman is the best. And I feel sorry for Craw. I hoped he'd quit for realsies
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Feb 4, 2011 07:08
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Decius posted:He doesn't. Don't forget that the whole business in Styria went completely contrary to what he wanted. And even in TFL not everything went according to his plan. I'm convinced that all of Abercrombie's books so far are just setting up Bayaz for a really hard fall later. e: that didn't need to be spoilered.
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Feb 6, 2011 01:00
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Bizob posted:poor west Oh, yes. Goddrat 
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Feb 9, 2011 07:35
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Hughmoris posted:I finished The Heroes about a week ago but looking back now, was there ever any mention of Glokta? Nope. And I can't say I'm all that disappointed; dude had enough attention in BSC. He ain't the real puppetmaster.
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Feb 12, 2011 02:35
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Kneel Before Zog posted:An odd request but could someone spoil the major events that happened at the end of BSC? I never finished the book and left it back home but I've been holding off Heroes because of this. You really don't need to have finished BSC to get into Heroes. Their plotlines are almost unrelated.
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Feb 13, 2011 19:52
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Bizob posted:The simple fact that "Heros Die" is cited along with the First Law and Malazan in that article is almost enough to get me to overcome the shame that would come with buying something with that awful cover. Can anyone tell me if its any good? I've heard that it is but haven't read it myself. It's been out for a while too, so you can probably find an edition that has a better cover if you check used book stores or amazon.
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Feb 13, 2011 23:13
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So who plays the Dogman in the inevitable HBO miniseries? My money's on Steve Buscemi. V: poo poo, you got me there. Grand Prize Winner fucked around with this message at 04:09 on Mar 31, 2011 |
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Mar 31, 2011 02:16
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keiran_helcyan posted:They say next to nothing on him, I know because I was wondering the same thing. We know he's the one who specialized in talking to spirits but that's about it, so at the very least he was still around when the seed was stored. I think someone asked Joe about it once and he played coy. Bedesh works with Shenkt, calling it now. Note that I said 'works with' not 'commands.'
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May 13, 2011 23:05
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I don't know if you're far enough in yet, but pretty soon you'll start to figure out that he's also loving pathetic in his own way. I still can't decide if I hate or pity the guy.
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Jul 31, 2011 02:18
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Beastie posted:Also gently caress Bayaz, in the first book you admire him and then you slowly realize how he is such a cocksucker for no loving reason. I wouldn't say it's for no reason. Since Bayaz is effectively immortal he's stopped seeing short-lived humans as anything but ants or chess pieces or whatever. Not that this excuses the absolute fucker in any way, but his attitudes are comprehensible. And his motivation is simple as poo poo: pure hatred for the Prophet.
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Jul 31, 2011 03:03
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John Charity Spring posted:Yulwei is surely deader than a doornail. Or working with Tolomei to escape and add loving DEMONS to the already-horrible world these poor bastards inhabit.
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Aug 31, 2011 00:00
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Hughmoris posted:He is up in the Hills, speaking to the moon. Probably a pretty good decision for a character in Abercrombie's books.
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Sep 5, 2011 23:43
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Illuyankas posted:I read Best Served Cold before the First Law trilogy, and while it had a couple of minor spoilers it also some interesting moments when I realised who the Cripple was and why the king preferred Monza's hair colour but they're all still pretty good books. I don't think either of those are particularly important spoilers, but you might want to fix your spoiler tag even so. And yeah, start with The Blade Itself and you'll know a little more about the world in the stories (does it even have a name?) and its history. However, the world and its shape and history take a definite backseat to the characters, so take that with a grain of salt.
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I want to say it showed up in Before they are Hanged, on one of Glokta's visits to the university. or was that The Blade Itself?FMguru posted:In other words, that world's equivalent of our cheesy fantasy novels. I wouldn't say cheesy fantasy novels so much as as tiresome folklore like the Eddas or Beowulf or something. And I don't think Bayaz wrote the ones the adeptus historical gives Glokta, because a section was missing and it's kinda implied that one of Bayaz's scalawags took it. Unless that was Sult. Dammit I just finished a reread and already my memory's failing.
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Goddammit do I have to buy the Kindle version or something? I bought the UK hardcover because I liked the cover better and I miss out? You'd figure he'd give the perfidious Britons the short story.
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UncleMonkey posted:e: Also, just an aside, but literally every single time I see a headline about Syria now, by brain automatically reads it as Styria. Understandable since the only difference between them is a single letter, I guess. I can't be the only one. I never had that problem until you mentioned it. Dick  . Have fun reading about Monza and her brother's past! When the incest is revealed and you get all shocked I'm gonna be laughing on you.
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Jan 6, 2012 00:26
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Badass as he is, he needs some kind of comeuppance. All-powerful douchewizards must die.
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Jan 14, 2012 22:47
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Dang... his self-criticism seems harsher than that one conservative guy who accused him of bankrupt nihilism.
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Jan 15, 2012 18:44
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What's a Rainbow Guard?
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What? In The Heroes he becomes king of half the North!.
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Jan 21, 2012 01:04
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Hughmoris posted:No way he brings Logan back. You have to be realistic about these things.... Right? It better not be Logen. Face it, the guy survived that fall and is having all kinds of horrible adventures, and Abercrombie will never tell us about them, the horrible bastard!
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What about Shivers? Does he have any reason not to go globetrotting after The Heroes? I'm not saying it's likely after his Styrian adventure, but it may be a possibility. Fakedit: What if it's Sergeant Pike from Before they are Hanged/Last Argument of Kings?
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Feb 13, 2012 23:12
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It would almost make sense. Dude's tough as old leather nails but not disabled. Also, doesn't he have some kind of ridiculous scarring?
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Feb 14, 2012 03:11
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That's a good idea, but he just got a POV role in The Heroes. Edit: waitaminute, "cowardly step-father"? That leaves Pike out. And Gorst, too. poo poo. A hardass playing a coward would almost be clichéd, so I've got my bets on an actual coward. My money's on a minor character someone from the other books let live. Or maybe Red Beck from The Heroes? e2: But wait, he retired to the farm in the end, didn't he? Grand Prize Winner fucked around with this message at 05:55 on Feb 14, 2012 |
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It could be a new character, but Abercrombie has a definite habit of making minor characters from previous books into main characters for new ones. Wouldn't mind if he broke that habit, though.
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