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John Charity Spring posted:If that's true then I'll grudgingly eat my words, but I really did think that story was better off left alone and done. Suck it doubters! None bloodier than Logan's past! Mr.48 fucked around with this message at 02:27 on Mar 21, 2012 |
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UncleMonkey posted:- Regarding Shenkt and Sulfur: Who was the master Sulfer accused Shenkt of abandoning? My instincts say Bayaz, but was it someone older, like Juvens or Kanedias? Yes, it's Bayaz.
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Mar 27, 2012 01:31
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UncleMonkey posted:I might just order it from the UK, especially considering that they will probably have better cover art anyway. Get it from Bookdepository.co.uk they have free worldwide shipping anyways and usually either match or beat Amazon for pricing.
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Apr 4, 2012 17:05
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Pre-ordered Red Country for bookdepository.co.uk for $20 in hardcover with free delivery! Now the agonizing wait.....
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Apr 5, 2012 01:37
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The Logan/Ferro sex scene was one of the funniest things ever put to print, and intentionally so 
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Apr 15, 2012 19:30
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Beastie posted:Is there ever given an explanation as to why the magic is leaking out of the world? Is it just a results of the gates to the other side being closed all those years ago? I know the spirits and Bayaz both say that magic is leaving this world but there never seems to be an explanation. I'm betting on Bayaz eventually deciding to open new portals to restore his magic, but will end up unleashing all those pesky demons from the other side.
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May 22, 2012 22:52
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Oh Snapple! posted:Banker was a really good choice for him I would put that in spoiler tags dude.
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Jun 2, 2012 19:05
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Oh Snapple! posted:It's a four year old book, dude. People really shouldn't be peeking at page 41 of a series thread if they don't want to risk getting spoiled on something, and frankly there's been plenty more earth-shattering events discussed in here without tags than that. I'll edit a tag in for courtesy, but tags themselves are a courtesy in series threads and the forum rules don't require them. Never said it was required, but courtesy is a good thing! Keeps everyone friendly and avoids the thread descending into the madness of the ASoIaF threads we used to have that got regularly shut down for being too toxic.
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Jun 2, 2012 19:39
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sebmojo posted:Very excited to see what he does with the next one. From what I've read on on his blog it seems like its going to be Logen Ninefingers as Clint Eastwood in Unforgiven. In other words, the best book ever conceived by man.
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Jun 6, 2012 07:07
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Abercrombie's writing is pretty grim, but other than what hapenned to West (which was a kick in the balls out of nowhere) it always feels like whatever bad stuff happens is a logical consequence of the characters' previous actions so it doesnt feel completely out of the blue.
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Jun 12, 2012 21:42
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Ornamented Death posted:In case anyone cares, you can preorder the UK edition of Red Country from Amazon. It costs a fair bit more, but you'll get it a month early and don't have the terrible American cover. Actually you should go to bookdepository.co.uk where you can get the UK cover, get it early, cheap and with free global delivery. Edit: I realize I sound like a spambot advertiser, but bookdepository is seriously awesome.
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Jun 17, 2012 05:53
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Above Our Own posted:Logen being in fact the antisocial murderer he's constantly been insisting that he isn't. Logen isn't antisocial
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Jun 22, 2012 01:14
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Clinton1011 posted:So did I read something wrong or is that cover describing The Bloody Nine as a coward Well that would make sense if hes trying to avoid going berserk on people since he would be avoiding fights and confrontations.
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Jul 11, 2012 22:32
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Red Mundus posted:Thanks! Looks like I have a new series to get into to. I assume I should start with the first books and work my way forward? Yep, read them all in chronological order.
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Jul 12, 2012 06:29
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Joe posted the nice UK cover on his blog: You can never have too many knives....
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Jul 24, 2012 05:47
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Axeface posted:I don't suppose anybody would know how a man could get a hold of "The Heroes" with the UK cover in the United States, short of amazon.co.uk and international shipping fees? Because the American covers are unspeakably godawful ugly, and yet, at the same time, I am an incredibly cheap dirtbag and don't want to cough up a red cent more than I have to. bookdepository.com has all the UK covers and has free international shipping.
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Jul 25, 2012 05:00
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Your Gay Uncle posted:.I wonder if Monza will turn out be demonblooded like Ferro. It seems like every chapter someone was says she has a demon or a devil in her. I think it was just a figure of speech referring to her ruthlessness. She hasnt exhibited any superhuman-level abilities like people with demon-blood are supposed to.
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Aug 20, 2012 06:23
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eXXon posted:I picked up Best Served Cold for $8 at Chapters during a sale, pretty much entirely on a whim as I hadn't heard of Abercrombie before. I can't say it wasn't entertaining and I did finish it but I don't think I'll read anything else by him if the rest of his books are this over the top. I like the universe and he has some... interesting characters, but there's only so much dark evil darkness you can take before it gets tiresome. Cosca, Shivers and the alchemist fellow were entertaining... but Shenkt was just a ridiculous and unnecessary deus ex machina. I mean really? The magical lady whose name I forget didn't interfere excessively with the story despite her god-like powers; Shenkt just demolished armies without breaking a sweat. Yeah sure it's mildly amusing to realize all of the other character's efforts were virtually pissing in the wind because they were being followed by a god man who could crush them all like ants in the blink of an eye but it doesn't make for a good story. Yes Shenkt is a murder machine but if you had read the previous books you would have a much better perspective on what that means in Abercombie's world. I mean sure, he's ridiculously powerful compared to a normal person, but then again so are some of the other eaters you see in the trilogy. Also, he was apprenticed to loving Bayaz himself, so its not as if he's just some random guy who can take apart armies with a touch of his finger. To give you a bit of perspective on who Bayaz is here are some spoilers for the original trilogy: Bayaz is the first and most powerful of the magi, a near-immortal sorcerer who is thousands of years old. He rules almost half the civilized world with an iron fist. He was also apprenticed to not one but two gods and managed to murder at least one and possibly both of them. Shenkt may be super-powerful but he then he learned from the best (or worst, depending on how you look at it) and his probable showdown with his former master Bayaz at some point in the future promises to be truly epic...
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Aug 27, 2012 06:57
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Above Our Own posted:^^ Shenkt's abilities go far beyond what Bayaz has demonstrated in the series, which makes little sense. Shenkt has superior physical abilities, but thats because he is an eater, whereas Bayaz isnt as far as we know. On the other hand we saw Bayaz blow up a person by glaring at him and take out an army of eaters with a single big spell So all things considered I would be more scared of Bayaz.
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I think it would be better to say that Abercrombie's theme is that people are a product of their circumstances, and therefore cannot change when their circumstances are the same. We see this with everyone: Logen goes back to his old ways when he returns to the north, Jezal returns to his old ways when he comes back to a pampered life in the Union capital. And lastly, Glokta starts acting like Sult when he takes up his office.
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Aug 28, 2012 21:37
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Grand Prize Winner posted:It's near the end, just after (Heroes spoiler again)Calder attempts to delay a peace with the Union. I dont think he was actually eating form the corpse, might have to reread that section to make sure though. Anyways I'm pretty sure he is not an eater himself because as Shenkt mentioned in BSC, once you start it becomes an addiction and he doesnt want that liability.
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Aug 30, 2012 07:59
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Rurik posted:Besides, whom he would've eaten when travelling to the edge of the world? The navigator 
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Aug 30, 2012 20:22
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Hughmoris posted:There is a Red Country extract up! Link seems to be down, could you post the extract in spoilers if you can still access it?
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Sep 4, 2012 23:48
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Oh god I want this book so bad it loving hurts.
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Sep 5, 2012 00:28
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Yeah Bookdepository is pretty awesome, I've been telling people about them for a while now.
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Sep 14, 2012 00:51
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Beastie posted:I'm torn between the UK cover and the US one for Red Country. My three copies of the original trilogy all have the cover with maps and blood, while my copies of BSC and The Heroes are the hokey ones with the models. I get a huge discount at work so if I hold out and wait for the US version I get 30% off, but I have to wait until Nov. 13th. Thats not even a choice. Get the nice UK cover and you will get it 3 weeks early to boot.
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Sep 27, 2012 20:40
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Stubb Dogg posted:I'd say it's on par with Heroes, which I really liked. Whoever said it's a spaghetti western (in a good, dollar trilogy way) with swords and axes was pretty much spot on. I got a strong Unforgiven vibe from previous descriptions, is that off the mark?
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Oct 8, 2012 05:44
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Oh god now the agonizing wait for it to ship to Canada while others are reading it RIGHT loving NOW 
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Oct 18, 2012 21:34
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Just tell me one thing: Does Logen go all William Munny on some poor motherfuckers' asses?
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Oct 21, 2012 23:47
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Grand Prize Winner posted:Answer to quoted question: He sure does! Yesssssssssssss Cant wait to get my copy in the mail. My body is ready.
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Got Red Country in the mail this morning and finished it in one sitting. Wow. This is probably Abercrombie's best stand-alone novel to date. The tension when Logen and Shivers were doing their showdown was amazing. Also, I'm glad the Cosca is finally dead, I know many liked him but I always thought he deserved his comeuppance multiple times over. So many good moments in the book, and so much emotion. Mark my words this book will be winning awards. Only thing I hated was that Ro will probably never forgive Logen after her whole ordeal, which is somewhat unfair but I guess you have to be realistic about these things. Childhood emotional trauma is a bitch 
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Hollis posted:Yeah but that's kind of the point Logen despite what every one wants to think here isn't actually a good person, he holds onto the idea that he can be a good person, but he never atoned for his killings his or the Bloody Nine, Basically he's the Bloody Nine, Logens the mask. His true nature is the Bloody Nine. I mean I don't think it was lost on anyone that he's literally a wolf in sheep's clothing IE LAMB. He just can't help but drag everyone he cares about into hell with him and turns friends to enemies it's in his nature. I still do think that Logen is basically a good person (at least at the point when we read about him). He has certainly done evil, but in Abercrombie's books there's hardly a character that hasn't. What makes Logen a good person from my perspective is that he actively tries to get away from his own savage nature and tries to do good. The fact that he fails because of his past/circumstances/mental-illness is immaterial. Its the thought that counts so to speak. And in his case you cant even throw the "road to hell is paved with good intentions" line at him, because Logen isn't resolved to do evil as a means of doing good, poo poo just happens. I would say that the more pertinent message is that you cannot leave a past of violence behind..... Even if you become a good person there will always be those with old score to settle to drag you back into it.
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Jeffrey posted:If Shenkt knows then Monza probably knows. Yeah, its pretty clear Shenkt is grooming Monza to be his anti-Bayaz ally, so he probably told her about Valint and Balk
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Oct 28, 2012 22:23
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Hey who do you guys think could play Logen in a film or TV adaptation? I was thinking that a younger Gerard Depardieu would be perfect. Its hard to think of anyone else who has that combination of being physically intimidating, slightly ugly and yet ultimately still very likable. Maybe a younger Schwarzenegger could work too, but I think he carries far too much typecasting baggage to pull off the role. Out of actors who are currently of the right age I think Javier Bardem would work best.
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Nov 2, 2012 06:06
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Loten posted:In Red Country? Ron Perlman.  Cant believe I didnt think of him, he'd be perfect!
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Nov 9, 2012 08:13
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ufuk kongporn posted:Bayaz is definitely Jeff Bridges from Iron Man Yeah bald Jeff Bridges with a beard is the exact image I have of Bayaz in my head.
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Play posted:Finished Red Country a week or so ago and my brief review is that its a reasonable amount worse than Best Served Cold and the Heroes. Perhaps he tried to do too much, or like the posters above me are saying was too dedicated to subverting fantasy tropes. Best Served Cold was funnier. Poisoner Morveer, Friendly, and Cosca probably had a lot to do with that. Cosca this time around I didn't find so funny, him being portrayed as elderly, incapable, and prone to daydream. Which I think may have been the point with this author trying to subvert expectations but again was pretty disappointing. I found the wagon fellowship to be pretty bland overall and that entire section of the book was somewhat lame. It picked up again when they made it to Crease (loved the description of dirty drunken insane mining town, that was fun and he does that well) but then pretty quickly again slacked off. I actually liked Red Country quite a bit more than The Heroes. Maybe thats just because I love westerns and dislike the compressed time-span of The Heroes. The only thing in Red Country I didnt really like were the dragon people but thats because they were completely unnecessary for the story. Also, Cosca was always the way we saw him in Red Country, we just got a more honest opinion of him this time from someone close to him. To address Pimpmust's question; the subversion is not so much a direct mirror imaging of what normally happens in fantasy (which is usually the case with stuff like Discworld), but is rather a super-cynical take on what would happen in a fantasy world if it were inhabited by real people from our world. And its loving amazing. Mr.48 fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Dec 18, 2012 |
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Mr Pepper posted:I feel like the characters are a little played out IMO and I almost stopped reading red country because I can't stand Cosca anymore. I hope he moves into a new world or time frame soon. Did you finish Red Country?
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Down With People posted:I think we'd have trouble seeing his motivations. I disagree, but there's no point in arguing since we'll never see eye to eye.
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Down With People posted:Well, if you look at things that way HE'S GOT ONE EYE ARE WE FUNNY YET? Lurk more.
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